Tuesday night ushered in the second Presidential Debate featuring President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney, this time from Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. This debate was structured as a "town hall" event with questions primarily coming from a pre-screened audience of undecided voters. The moderator was Candy Crowley, CNN's Chief Political Correspondent.
Watch the complete 90 minute video:
Transcript: Flash Transcript from ABC News
Original Air Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Report from Fox News:
President Obama and Mitt Romney tangled in the opening moments of their second debate on the economy, taxes and energy – as the president tried to make up for lost ground in the wake of his opening debate performance.
The president was decidedly more aggressive Tuesday as the debate at Hofstra University in New York got under way.
He mocked Romney’s five-point economic plan and referenced Romney’s tenure at private equity firm Bain Capital.
“Governor Romney says he’s got a five-point plan. Governor Romney doesn’t have a five-point plan. He has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules,” Obama said. “That’s been his philosophy in the private sector. That’s been his philosophy as a governor. And that’s been his philosophy as a presidential candidate.”
Romney called Obama’s assessment “way off the mark.”
While Obama said Romney’s policies are “squeezing middle-class families,” the Republican nominee claimed president’s policies were doing the same.
“The president’s policies have been exercised over the last four years, and they haven’t put Americans back to work,” Romney said.The two candidates frequently interrupted each other, in what was turning out to be a feistier face-off than the first round.
This debate was certainly much more confrontational than the first Presidential debate back on October 3rd.
The next and final Presidential Debate occurs on Monday, October 22, 2012.
Sad Day!
This is another blog sponsored by some ignorant, uneducated, uninformed or some educated but simply too lazy to seek credible sources of information or rather in denial about racism in this country because they have no idea what experiencing it first hand is like or they belong to the group afflicting it. Regardless of any achievement someone other than from pure Caucasian descent accomplishes, it will never witness similar to close merit. All the blurbs about what Obama did not do is all people can focus on, you know what "he has not lifted a finger since he has been in office, or while we are at it let's just make it sounds worse; OK! That it is by saying he caused us to be here in the first place". I understand that most of us want things to get better but a lot of idiots just want to see the next Bush in power and probably believe Bush was a better President than Obama ever will be. You know it comes down to the psychology that any effort Obama makes; even if the economy was better it would not have made a difference. The word “Road to Recovery” is a very deep word, in any setting for that matter takes far more time than it takes creating the disaster in the first place, but we are incapable to make peace with that. Somehow that is not so far from a bunch of overweigh Fast Food Addict wanting to shed pounds believing that a simple drug can take care of it , fast , Lazy and quiet disturbing that we rather divert the responsibility to someone by buying these pill that do nothing for us, Placebo. But you know what "That's the American way". Also America is not just about applying business principle to people that’s what we just got out of. Overly ambitious , vicious and dishonest business man trying to take advantage of the little Guy coming up with an uprising unfounded to kick order out the way because they can't easily help themselves screwing us over in t he process by giving you a mortgage or a loan they are confident you will default on. Yeah let's bring Greed back to the table as soon as things starting to get better. We can't wait so let's fuck ourselves over by choosing camouflaged worst case scenario. By the time it's all said and done, we'll probably try to move to Canada and forget the past. People so out of touch with reality, they think this is a MMA Championship involving Obama and Romney that has no bearing on their day to day lives. Sad for the nation i have learned to praise.
Marcel, and you are from which country again? Be up front, so we who don't know much can adequately respond to your comments.
Steele: You mean you bothered to read that??
Well yes, uneducated fool that I am!
Thank you Goethe & Steele, I've enjoyed exchanging ideas with you both!
Thank you, the enjoyment is likewise. It's refreshing to be able to exchange thoughts and ideas, get told to shut up and sit down, or earn an agreement without bashing and/or emotional insults being hurled across the Net (pun fully intended).
Daisy: Yeah, well, your sweet talk won't work with me.
Yer gonna hafta keer yer wits sharpened.
Of course, Steele is a softy. . .:-0
Guilty as charged
Well thanksm Daisy. You make me feel all warm inside.
maybe it's :-O
What are thoughts on http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20121015008-obama-eo.html and
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/21/united-nations-organization-set-to-monitor-us-polling-places-on-election-day/
I am not in favor of either and what right has he to do this without Congressional approval.
Sam: The second link is about foreigners who want to watch our election, to see if it's fair.
Seems fair to me. We are always sending people to watch THEIR elections.
If we have no corruption, we have nothing to worry about, right? Shouldn't we WELCOME such visitors, so we can display how fair we are?
Actually, it's probably a very good idea. We hate each other, so when one candidate wins, the other will charge fraud. If we have outside monitors, that should shut up the losers, right?
Goethe – that sounds perfectly plausible – IF – they only observe! I don't get that feeling. I believe that voting should be by voter ID and I'm even up for a UV stamp that a person has voted. I also believe that all remote voting is verified, I'm just not sure how to do that.
Sam:
Let's just put a chip in your skull. Then, the private sector could also use it. . .
"Sam, you enjoy Coca Cola and you are approaching a grocery store. . .Look! You are stuck in traffic (judging from your lack of motion, as detected by GPS)–why not consider a trip to Disney World–your reservation has been sent for your confirmation. We interrupt this message to have your government remind you that your taxes are good for you! They support schools and cops and weapons we can try out in third-world countries. . ."
Goethe – now I think you are just goading me. In reality the chip(s) are not a bad idea, from my hi tech marketing standpoint. As long as the cortex can control it and it has multicahannel and selectivity like cable, internet, radio, and mute. Great marketing. Would work great to prevent voter fraud as well. You are given a password and that is your voter id, "no tickee, no washee." Obviously where are the stops when a revolution comes or Amendment 14 is violated. There is always the "Free Society" vs "Big Brother."
Sam:
I think we need to do appropriate research. I don't think we need a normal chip implanted. That would have to be replaced with each upgrade, and that would be a real mess. It would probably be better to have it just stapled to the skull, on the outside, so upgrades could be done without surgery. And it could give you a jolt if you try to use someone else's credit card, too.
Sam:
On a serious note, I live in Michigan and we used to have a pharmaceutical company that did a lot of research. I think it was about 1960 that I went to one of their shows, and they had a cat with wires hooked to its head. The guy pushed a switch in the control box and he was able to get the cat to sit, raise its leg, walk, stop, you name it.
This was not a matter of learned behavior. This was the controller hooked directly to the cat's brain. Mind control. In 1960. LONG before the computer technology revolution. And this is what they were showing the general public. I was there.
Imagine how research has improved in more than a half century. Pretty scary.
Actually Goethe – it is terrifying, and I've designed sold IC's and Electronic test equipment since 1969 and worked in the trons since 1960. Nothing or nobody should ever have that level of control over any other live subject. If they were to issue a cell phone to everybody and force regulations on us ist would be a travesty. And that is how close we really are already!!!
Sam:
I agree. I hate to see the traffic cameras watching me. It wouldn't be so bad if they ONLY used it as an "instant replay" for traffic accidents.
But, yeah, they now have GPS built into our cell phones, so they know where are cell phones are at all times, and can reconstruct everywhere we've gone. Online, there are ALL KINDS of people watching us.
I don't dwell on it, but it creeps me out, big time.
Ouch!
Sam:
The first link strikes me as rational–IF you buy the premise. It is about punishing Iran.
IF you think that sanctions keeping money from going to Iran makes sense, how can you object to a rule that money going to Iran is confiscated?
If you buy the Iran premise.
The seizing of accounts appears to me to be accusation without representation and no recourse – proven to be Iranian or other similar, then declare as an enemy move on – if it's my accounts, prove it, and allow me expedient representation. IF BO is reelected, some of the radical emails i have posted against this administration, they might seize my accounts and knock on my door. Nothing harmful, but absolutely derogatory against BO and the present Administration.
Sam:
This is such a convoluted "issue."
Romney is the one who says we should get tougher on Iran.
Do you really think that he's going to RELAX rules like this??
If there's one thing that Romney is NOT it's a Libertarian.
As I mentioned before, Romney in not my most favorite candidate, and he has a lot of explaining to do if elected. I supported Ron Paul early on until I realized that he is 5 years older than I am and my stamina is not what it used to be plus he would never gain sufficient support to take out BO. My ideal would be to continue sanctions on financials of Iran until the demise of a nuclear threat. Remove all troops from the middle east and advise all middle east (except Israel) to leave Israel alone, do your own thing and if Israel is truly threatened the US will rain EMPs over you from our world wide Boomers and the middle east can truly return to the 7th century. Hawkish, chicken-hawkish, whatever you want to call him, i don't think MR has that in him.
Sam:
Willard doesn't have much of ANYTHING "in him." But during the primaries, he sounded a lot like any other NeoCon, like Wolfowitz or Cheney.
You can gamble that he'll flip again. He seems to have toned down a little, but still sounds like he wants war with Syria, possibly simultaneously with Iran. But who knows? Next week, he could join the Muslim Brotherhood.
Quickie – MR can have as many faces as "Faces of Eve" as long as they are what the majority of "We the People"decide we want.
Also, Goethe Behr is right, in a cynical kid of way. I'll see you guys on the final Debate forum.
OBAMA!
OBAMA WINS!!!!!!!!!!!! MITT ROMNEY IS FULL OF LIES
You got the names mixed up LOL
I was thrilled to see the president take such an offensive stance in this debate. This showed he was not willing to give up his seat so easily.
While sticking it to Romney he made the light hearted joke that his pension was not as big as Romney’s, therefore he did not check it often. This also showed a willingness to get a dig on his adversary, while laughing off the fact that Romney was stating the presidential pension has money invested in overseas interests the same as he does.
In addition to the president’s snarky remarks referring to Romney’s money he also attacked his character when Romney tried to say he lied about calling the Benghazi attack an act of terror. When Romney tried to question wither it took the president two weeks to acknowledge it was an act of terror, Candy stepped in and said the president did in fact state it was an act of terror at the press conference in the rose garden. When Candy did that the president asked if she could say it a little louder, another slightly dirty jab at his opponent.
Goethe Behr, Obviously read my comment….
Steele, a typical xenophobe asks "and you are from which country again?" Correlation?
I am a citizen of the world. You can buy common sense at the store.
All i am saying is:
1- Get informed!
2- Get some facts, Get your beliefs checked!
3- Get Out of you comfort Zone!
4- Be Opened Minded!
5- Dare to experience!
6- Dare to recognize!
7- Dare to Call People Out when you have credible facts!
Thanks you!
The story of the Scorpion and the Frog
The Scorpion and the Frog is a fable about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river. The frog is afraid of being stung during the trip, but the scorpion argues that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown. The frog agrees and begins carrying the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why by the frog, the scorpion points out that this is its nature.
The fable is used to illustrate the position that the behavior of some creatures, such as Politicians, is irrepressible, no matter how they are treated and no matter what the consequences.
Obama and Romney are RICH scorpions. Its their nature to want to "control" people. They are both truly PSYCHOPATHIC "Nutjobs" with an "uncontrollable" NEED to control the masses of people. Money isn't their "driving force" anymore – it's all about POWER and CONTROL to these COWARDS! Both of these CREEPS are NARCISSISTIC, EVIL and MANIACAL, but they hide it well with their forked tongues. They'll stop at nothing to get what they want and they both will exact revenge on anyone who questions their TRUE motivation for their "lust" of POWER over YOU!
And if you FOLLOW these "Whackjobs" and believe that they're gonna do something "good" for you? – Then you should bend over, right now! You deserve EVERYTHING that they're going to do to you…
Citizen of the world to me means not a citizen of the US, so butt out, and turn to the problems of your own country, which are likely looming larger – provided you have a country. Oops, I'd I get emotional? Perhaps, because America is the country of my choice to which I pledged allegiance. Makes me a proud citizen of this, my country, not one of the world. You're only a citizen of the world if you have nowhere to call home or to belong. So very sad for you.
Steele:
I disagree. I have loyalty to and pride in my home and family, then my street, my neighorhood, my city, my state, my country, my world, my solar sytem, and universe. Some people ONLY have pride in their country, and that seems very odd to me.
You might not understand, because you might have been born into this free county. I was not; I chose it, and am priviledged to live in it. I therefore have intrinsic instinct and need to protect and defend it. Odd perhaps, but it's akin to the need of experiencing unhappiness (bondage) to truly appreciate happiness (and fight for freedom). My perspective and perception are colored by my experiences.
Steele:
Indeed. And I can understand someone coming here in refuge, glad to be away from whatever persecution. And proud.
But, as a native, I see way too many people who MAY accept you as an "outsider," but do NOT try to understand the wants and needs of people in countries–and do not care.
That's why it's important for Americans to comprehend that they also belong to the world, and that other peoples ALSO have a right to THEIR life, THEIR liberty, and THEIR pursuit of happiness.
Goethe and Steele – for this time and place i am a fan of the Convoluted Rule of Reciprocity – "Do unto others as they do until you" – don't dip the USA flag first, just respond accordingly. If any group/nation starts something, the USA will finish it!
Goethe – You just upped the ante on what Steele's discussion was about. I don't know if you served or not but when you sign on the line that saying the check is upto and including your life and you visit other countries, there is no doubt in your mind that allegiance, pride is unique to the USA for the realm of which Steele was referring. I mentioned earlier my deism. Actually I find it hard to believe that i chose to visit this barbaric, uncaring for life and love, planet. This is supposedly the hardest planet to incarnate on because of it's human dispositions. There are so many millions of the Creator's gifts here outside of humanity it is shameful how we treat each other. I hope I've learned all the lessons i need to here and can choose a different planet in a different solar system, hell, maybe even a different universe.
Sam, Goethe, aside from taking pride in this my great country of choice, I also take pride in my family, my street, my neighborhood, my family's accomplishments, etc., but none of us would have been able to accomplish any of what we have to take pride in without ensuring the freedom to speak out, to study, and to live our dreams. Few places on earth offer us that opportunity; the US is one of them, and I am fiercely protective of that.
Steele & Goethe – I am in agreement with both of you of pride in certain elements. But with the exception of a few relatives and a few friends – It is my country's Constitution that I plead allegiance to and agreed, if necessary, to die for its protection. Of the few countries i have visited, none live up to the values available to me in the USA. And if any person or other country threatens the US with harm or to change our way of life, i see it as a threat to what "We the People" stand for and our rights from Nature's Creator. After extensive reading, watching, and impact from one particular man. I am more afraid than ever, in my 72 years of life. this person hates America, Colonialzation, has used free enterprise and celebrity to make his 12GigaBuck and be donated a $23M home in Hawaii. This man has charged himself with saving the world and all it's people – the easiest way it to take down America, remove it's teeth and submit its carcass to the UN. I'm betting i could get a sniper expert to teach teach me to accurately at 1800yds.
Sam:
This is the kind of discussion every American should have: who are we, and what do we value?
I know that I'll be crucified for saying this, but since I was a kid, I have resented the Pledge of Allegiance. It's like Paul Simon's song, My Little Town, in which kids "pledge allegiance to the wall." Yes, the flag is a SYMBOL of America, but it is also just a hunk of cloth, and to pledge allegiance to a hunk of cloth has struck me as dangerous, mindless regimentation.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if schools taught the CONSTITUTION? Wouldn't it be much better if we PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION!!
To me, pledging allegiance to a flag is SURRENDER of identity and personal responsibility. Yes, we must defend the country, but more importantly, we should defend the IDEALS of our country.
The pledge is about surrendering to AUTHORITY–and if you know the history of the "pledge," you know that that is EXACTLY what was intended. White, Protestant Americans were scared to death of the influx of immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe–and wanted to force them to CONFORM, so among other things, they wanted all the kids to be regimented into surrendering to authority.
Instead of a flag in every classroom, I'd rather see a copy of the CONSTITUTION in every classroom–at ground level, so that kids could see it, touch it, read for themselves–and talk about what it means. And if we MUST have regimentation, let's make it a pledge of allegiance to the CONSTITUTION.
Goethe (and Steele) – I agree 100% about the Pledge of Allegiance reading "the Constitution of the United States of America" vice "Flag" and i don't know about the immigration oath but should be the Constitution as well. All of my enlisted and commissioned officer swearing in oaths were to the Constitution not a flag. Strangely, my three enlisted were to the constitution and officers and POTUS -but- my several officer oaths were strictly to the constitution and to "faithfully discharge the duties of my office". About the flag, to me it represents the entire entity of the USA and all it's components. If soiled or defamed, it is like soiling the USA to me. When at sea and we encounter a ship from another country They dipped the colors and we in turn would then dip to acknowledge. There was an eventual agreement with the USSR to simultaneously dip and sometimes dipping didn't occur. When Britain was still an Empire many a fight was encountered in Hong Kong over the little patch on our shoulder. So, again, the flag is us as an entity but any pledge should in fact be to the Constitution (which includes it's all important Amendments).
Sam:
I expected to be trashed because I really don't like the Pledge. It started out as a commercial and has been used for such awful purposes.
ON THE OTHER HAND, while I did not serve in the military, I was an Eagle Scout, and I learned all about proper handling of the flag. It makes me sick that people abuse it and think they are being so "patriotic."
FOR INSTANCE:
The flag should NOT fly at night. It should be raised in the morning and lowered at night.
The ONLY way a flag may be flown at night is if it is fully illuminated, so that it is on display.
The flag should NOT be allowed to fly in a storm. It should be taken down and protected.
The flag should NEVER touch the ground.
The flag should ALWAYS be in good condition.
I am totally disgusted when I see a flag that is so faded that it looks like a cowboy kerchief–or is so tattered that it looks like someone went after it with a knife. If there is a TEAR, it should NOT be flown.
People who don't know how to FLY the flag should not HAVE a flag.
Goethe – I actually think we both are on pretty much the same page. I think we both want a more central president that will come closer to the values of http://LP.org but i'm not going to stand on principles this election. Hoping Libertarians can put together a winning story in future elections. I have very much enjoyed our discourse and your logical thoughts. Thank you. Voted early today for MR and hope I can vote in a couple more before "I buy the farm". You can find me Reusser.US url if you desire. Take care, sam
Farewell, my friend.
Sam:
You went in two directions. In the first part, you seem to say that people in other countries have no national pride–that they don't feel nationalism.
Then you got into cosmic contemplation that seems to make nationalism seem small, petty, and irrelevant.
You're correct Goethe – I don't believe many (maybe Australia & Switzerland) have the same level of pride in their Nation its self as do most US citizens. They mostly rage about about pride in their ancestry or religion or type of life they live. When you included the Earth and Universe, I leaned into a different theme. The Creator put so many incredible and beautiful non-animates and minerals here to grow, evolve, and undergo metamorphosis; but when he allowed the amoeba free choice to evolve a human strain and continue to give an unenlightened and in-mature society free will . . . I know it's omniscient and has a bunch of Masters assisting but man, in general, we humans are barbaric, using a convoluted Law of Reciprocity, and unless we observe a domestic canine have no clue about unconditional love. Getting back to original – i don't want take a chance that Johnson will take more votes from BO than MR, so i'm going with the Dude who has pride in America and hope we can put together a prideful party consisting of what "We the People" want for 2014 and for sure 2016. Can't be just POTUS, has to include a number of Congress as well.
i like the plans of the president Obama
Go, Obama!
Mr. Romney is a liar and a web-spinner. Good Lord! Kick him hard!
Would ask all that find merit in the below to SPREAD IT! Thanks.
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VOTE for Gary Johnson (do not write-in Ron Paul, please)!
Here is why:
The Establishment fears Ron Paul so much that they will do anything to stop him and his (our) movement for Liberty on the election level (since so far they have not been able to control the internet, and thus shut us down completely)!
The Major Networks will show after the election NOTHING for Ron Paul (not even that he got ANY of the Vote, for that would be admitting that some actually dared to write-in his name).
The Apparatchiks have been instructed to shred all write-in ballots where Ron Paul’s name appears (for proof just watch after the election and see if Ron Paul is even mentioned, let alone how many votes he got)!
Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 States — so a vote for him is a vote COUNTED against the wannabe despots of America! (Plus, if he breaks the 5+% level, the Libertarian Party (Ron Paul’s original party) will be eligible for federal funds to the tune of about 90 million dollars for the next election — and no longer will be a financial shoe-string operation!!!).
VOTE GARY JOHNSON (or write-in Ron Paul if you must) — as long as you vote for what you realize is BEST for our Nation, and NOT get bamboozled into voting again for the “lesser of two evils”: the Kenyan Barack or Mitt the Mormon (this path only leads to more and bigger evil, for the next election cycle…should there be one)!!!
I not saying who I like but my dad like PRESIDENT OBAMA ????
Obamatons and Mittiots are just totally asleep concerning the economy. If they were awake, they'd NEVER vote for either one of these Plutocrats.
Go President Obama