One of our commenters, “revrnjim,” warns that there will be violence if Trump loses the presidential election, saying, “if a rigged election should make her president, that would be akin to the first shot fired at Ft. Sumter in 1861: secession and civil war would ensue.”

Revrnjim isn’t the first to voice that warning. During the primaries, Donald Trump warned that there would be riots if he was denied the Republican nomination, according to the Washington Times, on March 16.

Donald Trump warned Wednesday against trying to award the Republican presidential nomination to another candidate if he heads into the convention with the most accumulated delegates, calling on the party to rally around him or risk riots. . .

“I think it would be — I think you’d have riots. I think you’d have riots.”

MediaIte reported in August that Trump thinks the system is rigged against him now.

Trump has complained plenty of times in the past that the political election system has been against him from his campaign’s beginning. Today, Trump proceeded to talk about how managed to run through his Republican primary competitors, though he expects that the “totally rigged” system will again try to thwart him in favor of Clinton.

The next day, Trump went on the Hannity show on Fox and repeated the warning.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump warned Fox News host Sean Hannity Monday night that he believed the November general election would be rigged. . .

“I hope the Republicans get out there and watch very closely, because I think we’re going to win this election, but if it’s rigged like anything else — look, it was rigged I thought a little bit for me, and we won in landslides. I think it was rigged against Bernie Sanders…” he continued.

“I’m telling you, November 8th, we’d better be careful because that election’s going to be rigged,” Trump stated. “And I hope the Republicans are watching very closely or it’s going to be taken away from us.”

Two weeks later, The Hill reported that Trump warned of upcoming cheating in Pennsylvania.

“The only way we can lose, in my opinion, I really mean this, Pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on. I really believe it,” he said Friday during a rally in Altoona, Pa.

Trump said law enforcement and his supporters have to be on the lookout for voter fraud to keep Trump from getting “cheated out of a win.”

“That’s the way we can lose the state, and we have to call up law enforcement and we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching,” he said.

“The only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and I mean this 100 percent, is if in certain sections of the state they cheat.”. . .

Clinton leads Trump by about 10 points in Pennsylvania, according to the latest RealClearPolitics average of polls.

That’s what led to the final question of the first presidential debate. Thanks to Fortune Magazine for the transcript.

HOLT: Mr. Trump, very quickly, same question. Will you accept the outcome as the will of the voters?
TRUMP: I want to make America great again. We are a nation that is seriously troubled. We’re losing our jobs. People are pouring into our country.

The other day, we were deporting 800 people. And perhaps they passed the wrong button, they pressed the wrong button, or perhaps worse than that, it was corruption, but these people that we were going to deport for good reason ended up becoming citizens. Ended up becoming citizens. And it was 800. And now it turns out it might be 1,800, and they don’t even know.

Since Trump hadn’t answered the question, Holt repeated it, and Trump finally answered.

HOLT: Will you accept the outcome of the election?

TRUMP: Look, here’s the story. I want to make America great again. I’m going to be able to do it. I don’t believe Hillary will. The answer is, if she wins, I will absolutely support her.

The worry about violence is not without reason. Trump’s friend, Roger Stone, voiced it in August.

Roger Stone sat with Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos, and the two discussed how the general election will almost certainly be hijacked by acts of voter fraud. Several recent polls suggest that Hillary Clinton is even with, if not slightly ahead of Trump, and Stone said that the “fix” is definitely in, and it starts with the manufacturers for electronic voting machines. . .

“If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.”. . .

“I think he’s gotta put them on notice that their inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath… We will not stand for it.”

The Blaze reported that Stone was not alone in this warning, last month.

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin (R) said over the weekend that patriots may need to “shed blood” if Hillary Clinton is elected president. . .

Bevin said. “The roots of the tree of liberty are watered by what? The blood. Of who? The tyrants, to be sure. But who else? The patriots. Whose blood will be shed? It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren.”

“I want us to be able to fight ideologically, mentally, spiritually, economically, so that we don’t have to do it physically,” Bevin said, according to the Washington Post. “But that may, in fact, be the case.”

“Bloodshed” and “blood bath” are frightening threats.

Politico reported that there has been a lot of talk of violence this year, including Trump’s veiled warning about NRA action if, as president, Hillary tried to nominate a liberal judge.

In May, the Secret Service investigated Donald Trump’s butler over a Facebook post saying that President Barack Obama “should be shot as an enemy agent.”

Secret Service agents also interviewed a Trump campaign adviser last month, after he said that Hillary Clinton “should be put in the firing line and shot for treason.”

In December, Trump himself appeared on the radio show of the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has warned that the federal government might round up gun owners “like Jews in Nazi Germany.”

And refrains of “hang the bitch” and “kill the bitch” have grown increasingly common at Trump rallies.

Even before Trump’s Tuesday remark that “Second Amendment people” might stop Hillary Clinton’s Supreme Court appointments, his associates and supporters had repeatedly called for violence against Clinton and Obama, while right-wing leaders and militia groups that support Trump speak of an armed response to federal gun control efforts.

It appears that talk of violence seems to have begun by Trump’s joke that he’s so popular that he could commit murder with impunity, and a more recent comment that Hillary could commit murder and not be convicted. As much as politicians candy-coat words, there’s also some problem with having someone “shoot from the hip,” so to speak.

[Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center] and others blame Trump for legitimizing talk of violence throughout the campaign, including his jokes about punching and roughing up protesters, his defense of torturing terrorist suspects and even his infamous crack — complete with a pantomimed gunshot — that he could “shoot somebody” in midtown Manhattan and not lose any political support.

Business Insider also noted that Trump encouraged violence at a rally.

During a Sunday interview on “Meet The Press,” the real-estate mogul criticized the protester, who was allegedly hit as he was being escorted out of Trump’s Wednesday rally in North Carolina. . .

When pressed by host Chuck Todd to confirm whether he would cover the legal fees for the supporter, who is now reportedly facing assault and battery charges, Trump said he was considering it.

“I’ve actually instructed my people to look into it, yes,” Trump said.

Last month, Trump pledged to pay the legal bills for supporters who “knocked the crap” out of anyone who was considering throwing tomatoes at the former reality-television star.

“If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them,” Trump said. “Just knock the hell — I promise you, I’ll pay the legal fees.”

To be fair, there has been violence by radicals at Trump rallies. In fact, I condemned the protestors as being, not only wrong, but counterproductive—since violence turns people off. It doesn’t win support.

There has been a lot of talk about Russian involvement in our election. Some say Vladimir Putin is trying to throw the election for Trump. But the real concern is that we might lose our faith in our system. Putin was incensed when Hillary Clinton said the Russian elections were rigged to elect Putin. That was a strong condemnation, because the United States has been revered for being the most stable and longest lasting Democracy in world history. Putin would love it if we began doubting the integrity of our own elections.

Yes, there was concern that John Kennedy election may have been “stolen” in Chicago in 1960, and George Bush’s election may have been stolen in Florida in 2000, but neither case became a constitutional crisis, because candidates have always had more reverence in the American political system than avarice for their own advancement. At least until now.


  1. I think all of this current friction can be summed up from the famous quote in the movie Network. I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE. This quote can almost perfectly encapsulate the current feelings of most if not all of the GOP faithful.

    You mentioned how John Kennedy won the 1960 election with the votes of dead people in Chicago. The election of George W Bush in 2000, while iffy was ultimately decided by the SCOTUS. With the long legacy of lying, corruption and being untrustworthy that the Clinton’s have, they are under a constant microscope.

    Social Media these days will report every misstep in real time. For all of the shady things that the Clinton’s have done recently and now to top it off Obama, things are a little more than suspicious. Obama the DEPORTER IN CHIEF has mysteriously seemingly suspended deportations. Those who were going to be deported are now winding up as citizens. I’ll give you a guess how these FAUX citizens are going to vote.

    As I said social media has gotten hold of Hillary’s conflict of interests when she was SOS. There is the beauty of how she in essence gave classified information to her son in law on Greece. It just so happens that her son in law was heading a mutual fund that concentrated on Greece. The uncounted PAY FOR PLAY deals that the Clintons were involved in with big donors of the CLINTON FOUNDATION. Many of these donors were foreigners. I wonder how much of their donations went ILLEGALLY into her political WAR CHEST. Her email scandals and the numerous people around the Clinton’s who DIED UNDER MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES.

    Hillary Clinton shouldn’t be running for president, she should be a long term resident of LEAVENWORTH. I have only begun to list some of her shady dealings, to list them all I would probably need to write a book.

    The fact that the arrogant, pompous, twits on not only the MSM but also Democratic faithful constantly keep on repeating that only RACIST, BIGOTS, MISOGYNIST, DULLARDS are voting for Trump, only further polarize the two camps. Speaking for myself, I am none of the above. I have been called many things in my life, but STUPID isn’t one of them.

    As I said above, if the law of this country were being applied as it should be in a DEMOCRACY, Hillary Clinton should be in a jail cell on DEVILS ISLAND. If she were to somehow steal this election against Trump, just like the DNC helped her screw Sanders and his followers in the Democratic primary, I don’t know what will happen.

      • And you are a DIP SHIT. Add that to your collection. I don’t know you and you don’t know me yet you attack me because liberals have little stomach or intellectual capacity for debate.

        I suppose you can also add whiner, weenie and coward to your list. By the way I am intelligent enough to realize that you are a modern day TROGLODYTE!!!

        • I only know what you express in your comments. Based on the racism and misogyny you express here, I’ve drawn the appropriate conclusions.

          Why are you throwing a tantrum?

          • Thank you. I have a problem with simply sharing insults.

            I have lived in Britain for 40 years and in the US for 40 years as well as 3 winters in Canada and I now live in Belgium. In sharing opinions, we have moved from looking a person in the eyes to electronic anonymity where people like Catrambi and Straight Shooter can simply vent their spleen ignorantly without being called to task.

            On the subject at hand, Clinton already has had my mail-in vote, because although I believe she is a crook and a self-aggrandizing woman, she won’t do too much to change Obama’s policies if elected. Trump however is ‘Nasty’ in all that that word means: crooked, self-opinionated, lewd, ignorant and a whole bunch of other things that mean he is worth forgetting.

            Why Goethe? For the German, the poetry or his intelligence?

    • I think one of the most amazing cons of all time is that somehow Americans have allowed themselves to become convinced that they are “suffering”.

      TWENTY ONE THOUSAND CHILDREN DIE HORRIBLE DEATHS EVERY SINGLE DAY from starvation and hunger related illnesses in other countries. Women and children are regularly abducted to be sold into slavery (a $37.5 BILLION annual industry). Many places do not have sewage, so MILLIONS live in disease and filth.

      Yet, somehow, Americans imagine that THEY are the victims …

      It is really shocking the way some people can become convinced that up is down, and down is up.

      • Oh, and Hillary Clinton has been accused and investigated numerous times but has not been found guilty of wrong doing. People can make up all sorts of allegations and smear campaigns. But, this is a country of laws, and people here are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

        • Unless the accuser is a conservative and the accused is a liberal or insufficiently conservative.

          • Are you saying that there are no conservative judges in our justice system, or are you talking about the court of public opinion?

            And even if you are talking about the court of public opinion, are you saying that there are no conservative media or websites? Last I checked, Trump is the Republican nominee and has a large following. How did that happen if only liberal voices are heard or count?

            • I was talking about the court of public opinion including the MSM and especially FRWNJ sites.

  2. The Republican party has promoted violence and threats of violence for decades. They have fear mongered and whipped up hatred for every racial, sexual, and religious minority. They have told supporters to stockpile guns and ammunition. They have convinced their low information base that the entire world is a big conspiracy that will unravel any minute now. They have made up stories about Obama being a “dictator” and a dangerous “foreigner”. They have consistently painted centrist Democrats as extremists and communists. Will there be violence? Yes, of course there will. The Republican party has ensured there will be violence.

    Republicans have spent decades claiming that gays are evil and don’t deserve rights, while trying to make sure that the country is flooded with guns everywhere. Then a gay club in Orlando is shot up and 50 people die, and suddenly they just can’t understand why this has happened. Suddenly they are so devastated by the loss of gay lives. But when you ask for bad things to happen, you can’t turn around and lament it when you get what you want.

    Every time there’s a mass shooting in America, or a targeted attack against a minority group, or an attack on a health clinic, Republicans get exactly what they want and ask for.

    The Republican party has spent the last few years making up stories of voter fraud, when official investigations found almost no cases of this ever happening. As this kind of blame-shifting and scapegoating works well on clueless Republican voters, Trump has decided to run with this excuse long before any vote has been cast. He’s deliberately preparing his supporters to be outraged and crave revenge when he loses the election.

    The enemy is clear: every black or brown person in the country. Every woman in the country. Every Democrat or otherwise left-leaning person in the country. Every latino or latina. Every muslim and every arab, as well as every person with an arab sounding name, and every person who might be superficially confused with an arab.

    Trump has made it clear that he supports violent attacks on people who disagree with him. He has openly called for protesters to be beaten. He has promised to pay the legal fees for any of his supporters who would physically assault a non-supporter.

    Will there be violence? There’s already violence, every day. The GOP is a party of murderers, thugs, bullies, genocidal maniacs, and misanthropic sociopaths. A high death toll is exactly what they want, and their zombie supporters always give them what they want.

    • Is there anyone that the GOP supporters don’t hate? I hate to break it to you but the shooting in the Gay night club in Orlando is in a state that is at best purple. Florida also has a concealed carry law, which makes it permissible for its citizens to be armed.

      That some nutcase who thought he was sinning against God, because he himself was gay and opened fire on innocents, isn’t the fault of the Democrats or Republicans.

      Bad things happen, but to blame an ideology for it is at best DEMENTED on your part. I suppose we could have asked the shooter what his motives were, but alas he is dead.

      • Do you believe that ideologies have no effect on reality?

        Republicans are driven by hate, first and foremost. They are obsessed with making their in-group increasingly smaller, while becoming increasingly hateful toward the out-group. This is evidenced by the constant purity tests, leading to a line-up of 17 primary candidates this season, who all believe almost exactly the same things, and only differ as to how strongly they believe the pre-approved belief.

        The obsession with ideological purity has gone to such extremes that Republican politicians can’t say that the would support a 1% increase in taxes, even in a hypothetical situation in which a 2% profit is guaranteed. They are literally forced by the dogma of the Republican cult to reject simple logic and reason.

        This is why we end up with a Republican Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, who openly admits that the Republican nominee is a racist, but will still endorse him for President.

        The voter base has been trained to become so extreme in their demand for purity that they’ve essentially taken their politicians hostage. Paul Ryan can’t condemn Donald Trump, because it would mean the end of his political career. Non-racist Republicans are now entirely unelectable. The voter base demands neo-Nazi candidates now.

        Anyone who doesn’t pledge allegiance to party unity, i.e. the in-group, is instantly hated and treated as fair game for endless lies and insane accusations. Since the Republican party has decided to make enemies of all minority groups, as well as women, these groups are now generally disgusted by the party. This leads to a situation in which Republicans are obligated to hate these groups of people even more, since they have now committed the deadly sin of not accepting Republican fundamentalist dogma, and rejecting blind hatred as the basis for political ideology.

        As this is a downward spiral, the effect is that the Republican in-group keeps shrinking, while the out-group, consisting of normal people, is increasingly disgusted by the bigotry and the Nazi core of the GOP.

        I would say that at least Republicans don’t hate themselves, but upon further reflection I don’t think they’re very happy with themselves either. Hatred comes from within, after all.

    • Kkk demonrats, blm demonrats, voter fraud look in Ohio near Columbus tens of thousands of Clinton and demonrats ballots marked and ready to be counted before one true ballot is cast. See article at Christian times newspaper. Those and look at Virginia, Colorado, and many other states thousands of illegal aliens have been voting for years. The dead voting demonrats. The poll worker in Ohio who voted multiple times for olamo in 2012 was sent to prison. Got a heros welcome back by demonrats and got her job back as a poll worker. Tell me there isn’t massive voter fraud. Voter ID doesn’t discriminate. Any people to poor to get ID would not be able to get wellfare ebt or any aid at all unless from a church. But still then they also want ID. The demonrats don’t want voter ID because it would make it harder to illegally vote.

  3. I would hate to think my fellow citizens would resort to violence… regardless of the outcome. It is one thing to have passionate beliefs, but violence should be against everyone’s morals.

  4. I have blocked Straight Shooter, because I don’t care to hear his BS. If there is violence, Trump needs to be held as an accomplice.

  5. It is interesting in the ensuing “discussion” how contributors are simply nasty and attempt to score points without an argument on the subject at hand. ‘Straight Shooter’ and ‘Catrami’ are typical ‘shut-ins’ without backgrounds. I don’t know either of them from Adam, and I am so glad. They both have far too much time on their hands and would be better off in listening to their third grade teachers. I am off to a more intelligent site.

      • I appreciate the thought, so I am back.

        As background, I used to be a Republican but voted for Obama. He seems to have been the first President who has tried sincerely to fulfill his promised policies, despite a Republican Congress. I have been satisfied with him because he has achieved a lot..

        Now we have a choice between Hilary Rodham, who I know as a crook (although the real estate guy went to jail) and a person who looks primarily after herself (even using her faithless husband along the way), and the other option of Trump who is simply an ethic less wangler. Clever though!

        Since I m an overseas voter, I have already voted for Clinton on the grounds that I don’t think she will do anything and Obama’s policies will persist for a while. The other option of a loose, ignorant, sharp shooter was too terrible to contemplate.

        Why Goethe?

        • We try to keep the site within some parameters of civility. I did just ban someone for extreme rudeness. On the other hand, we do appreciate a wide range of views.

  6. I don’t know how anyone with any type of conscience could support this man. Since when did we as Americans decide it is ok to lower our standards for the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? I understand the want and need for change, but is this really the person you want to responsible for it? Very scary thought, just saying!

  7. I originally was planning to vote for Trump, but he’s turned into a spoiled brat. For 227 years America has prided itself having peaceful elections. Now it appears Trump has destroyed that tradition… and you call Trump a leader. People say Kennedy stole the election from Nixon. But Nixon stepped aside graciously for the good of the country. And people say Bush stole the election from Gore. But Gore stepped aside graciously for the good of the country. Only Trump is fomenting violence. Putting his desire above peace and country. You think you are patriots, but you are not– you are traitors. You all glorify bloodshed because you’re idiots and watch too many action movies. Don’t be ignorant; when there is a revolution, people you love die. I’ve never been so embarrassed by and disgusted with my fellow citizens. Anyone justifying violence should be ashamed of themselves. But perhaps you all are too young to remember when our country and citizens had dignity.

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