This is a develping story but one that could shape the world of foreign policy for years to come as Russia continues flexing international muscle.

Some details from Fox News:

A Malaysia Airlines passenger plane with 295 aboard was shot down by a surface-to-air missile in Ukraine near the Russian border a day after a Ukrainian military jet was downed, Fox News has confirmed.

The Boeing 777 bound for Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam was shot down at cruising altitude about 35 miles from the border, according to Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s Interior Minister. He said all 280 passengers and 15 crew members were killed. A Reuters correspondent near the scene reported seeing burning wreckage and bodies strewn across a nine-mile debris field. A Ukrainian Emergency official told the news agency body parts and at least 100 bodies were seen in the area.

The incident touched off immediate finger-pointing between Russian separatists and the Ukrainian government. Eastern Ukraine separatist leader Alexander Borodai told Reuters that Ukrainian military forces shot the jet down, but Kiev denied involvement and labeled the incident a “terrorist act.”

This is a major incident on the world stage. Here’s your open thread for discussion.


  1. Meanwhile Air Force 1 had wheels up at 3:07 PM and the President was off to New York City for a fundraiser and PAC meeting. The first one was a fundraiser for the DNC and the supporters ponied up $32,000 per person. The second one was a roundtable for House Majority PAC . No press were allowed at either one.
    It’s been reported 23 Americans were on board the downed aircraft.

      • Nate;
        I know it doesn’t happen very often. I was going to write something but I’ll wait till more information comes in before making any speculation on the ramifications of the attack. I don’t want to get to a point where it seems I’m writing something just for the sake of writing.

  2. No one knows who shot that plane down — but the condemnation build up against Russia is already starting (more sanctions, more wars…?)

    Israel, in the mean time, is in Gaza ENFORCE killing Palestinians by the thousands — but not a peep from MSM or anyone else….!

    It’s good to own the media….

  3. Surfisher – don’t expect the mainsteam media to ever be fair and balanced – no matter what it will always be motormouth on Republican / conservative issues and deaf and mute on Democrat / Liberal issues. The Higher Education (+12) is the same – it has been and will be generations, if ever, that this will change.

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist 🙂 to see that Russian Separatists trained by Russians (or Russian Soldiers of Fortune, themselves) shot down this airliner (probably by mistake) and are guilty as sin but are blocking the inspections and the truth will never be gotten to.

    Israel’s Iron Dome is the only thing that has kept their death toll from being in the thousands as Hamas has sent literally hundreds if not thousands of rockets and missiles indiscriminately into Israel. Without any warnings, I might add. Israel has dropped leaflets, made telephone calls, dropped small explosives on roofs warning Palestinians to evacuate as they are bombing, invading, and routing out Hamas and their weaponry. No matter how hard you try, you cannot legitimize Hamas and their terror / divisive, fundamental, year 634 tactics for today’s world.

    • Sam, I noticed your posts kept being flagged for moderation. No clue why. You’re white listed now so you shouldn’t have that issue on future posts.

    • I wonder why satellite spying couldn’t see the trail of the missile that shot down the plane. It’s not like missiles were flying all over the place. We keep hearing about how they can practically read stuff on the ground, now. The irony is that this seems to be turning the world against the rebels.

      As for Israel, Palestinian missiles almost never have any effect. Why fire them, then? I think it’s just a futile protest. Without the missiles, the world would simply forget that the Palestinian people exist, and there’d be another 60 years of subjugation.

      However, I think they’d have a better argument if they were only firing at the illegal settlements. Then, instead of a desperate protest, it would have a point.

      • Goethe — NSA is too busy spying on our own citizens…to look for other stuff, too…LOL!

        Ukrainian military shot down the airplane on purpose in order to blame Russian separatists. Or, Russian separatists shot it down by mistake. The reality is that they’ll blame each other, with no definitive result.

        That’s sad.

        What’s saddest of all is that this has taken away the world’s attention from what Israel is doing in Gaza — Israeli tanks and machine gun troops GROUND Invasion of Gaza, killing in the hundreds civilian men, women and children by “mistake”, in their zeal to kill the few Hamas terrorists remaining…..

        It’s good to own the News!

        • Bob: That’s odd, because just a few days ago, someone speculated that the missile was really fired from Crimea. Example of how far propagandists will go to rile up people.

    • Sam:

      That Hamas is a terrorist organization goes without saying — but, none dare say that Israel is a Terrorist State!

      • I thought it was telling that Israel finds three bodies and immediately blames Hamas. If we find three bodies in the US, we call that “Wednesday.” Doesn’t Israel believe in “crime” or individual action? Isn’t it possible that those three teens had, you know, enemies? There is no proof that Hamas was involved. If there were, it would be ALL over the media.

  4. off topic — On Immigration…

    Simple, just stop it!

    We needed immigrants when our nation was young and underpopulated — now this is no longer the case!

    We, the USA, are now overpopulated, so need no more foreigners invading our nation as illegal immigrants!

    Easy test you can do — if you had this similar experience most likely:
    My favorite , out f the way, fishing spots from 40 years ago, and 30 years back, had only one fisherman, me.
    20 years back had a couple of more Americans fishing my spots.
    Nowdays there are 30-40 Spanish speakers only and orientals that fish there!

    What happened to create this insane congestion?!
    Illegal immigration !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Time to put a stop to it, NOW!
    There are enough Real Americans starving under this Gov, no need to add Illegal Foreigners to be taken care of INSTEAD OF AMERICANS!


    U.N. High Commissioner said that Israel may have committed war crimes by killing civilians and shelling houses and hospitals during its offensive in Gaza that began on July 8 (“disproportionate and indiscriminate attacks”, including aerial bombing of civilian areas, collective punishment, and the killing of more than 650 Palestinians).


  6. The Putin Doctrine is to intervene anywhere there are Russian speakers. I wonder if he wants to get involved with Israel, since there are so many Russian Jews there. . .

  7. Putin also talks self-righteously about the importance of self-determination. Does that mean he wants to let Chechnya have independence??

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