Here we are on day 11 of the partial government shutdown and a slew of polls have come out in recent days showing that approval for nearly every elected federal official has fallen significantly. The President has sunk to 37% approval, his lowest recorded since taking office. Congress has reached an all time low of just 5% approval. I’d like to meet some of those in that 5% category to see if they’ve been paying attention.

Report from NPR:

Overall, 62 percent mainly blamed Republicans for the shutdown. About 50 percent said Obama or the Democrats in Congress bear much responsibility. Most Americans consider the shutdown a serious problem for the country, the poll finds, though more than four in five have felt no personal effect. For those who have, thwarted vacations and a honeymoon at shuttered national parks, difficulty getting work done without federal contacts on the job and hitches in government benefits were among the complaints.

Asked if she blamed Obama, House Republicans, Senate Democrats or the tea party for the shutdown, Blair, an independent, said yes, you bet. All of them. She’s paid to fly with a group to four national parks in Arizona and California next month and says she can’t get her money back or reschedule if the parks remain closed. “I’m concerned,” she said, “but it seems kind of trivial to people who are being shut out of work.”

Most Americans disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job, the poll suggests, with 53 percent unhappy with his performance and 37 percent approving of it. Congress is scraping rock bottom, with a ghastly approval rating of 5 percent.

So, what of it? Are 2014 and 2016 ripe for the rise of a third-party with such disgust in the current two-party system? Could a figure such as Dr. Ben Carson enter the arena running unaffiliated with either party and create a groundswell of independent support? Perhaps, and maybe this is a stretch, even Jesse Ventura?


  1. Nate: I agree, and have been saying for some time that we need at least a third party, and possibly a fourth. But what usually happens is that people fall back in line at election time, since they are convinced that they would be “wasting their vote” to vote their conscience, instead of being part of the “horse race.”

    I remember my dad saying that he REALLY wanted to vote for Ross Perot, but once he got into the booth, he saw the familiar party label and felt obligated to be “loyal” to it.

    One problem with Perot is that he didn’t have a real party. It was just him. Wouldn’t it be great if the Tea Party melded with the Libertarian Party? And activist liberals should take a serious look at the Green Party. Then, maybe we could have a serious discussion.

  2. The Republican Party as a whole is at its lowest point as the Gallup Poll is showing. “With the Republican-controlled House of Representatives engaged in a tense, government-shuttering budgetary standoff against a Democratic president and Senate, the Republican Party is now viewed favorably by 28% of Americans, down from 38% in September. This is the lowest favorable rating measured for either party since Gallup began asking this question in 1992.”
    Meanwhile the Dems are not doing too good either.
    “The Democratic Party also has a public image problem — although not on the same elephantine scale as that of the Republican Party — with 43% viewing the Democratic Party favorably, down four percentage points from last month.
    Gallup has a chart here

  3. Isn’t Dr. Ben Carson the man who said Obamacare is the worst thing to happen since slavery? Give me a break!

  4. Stop the ” catering services for the house n their fab gym they r govn services n stop paying them they r not doing thier job n they feel no effects of the other govn shut downs they r a disgrace

  5. To Dana Isherwood: Dr. Carson knows what slavery was, I know what socialism and government medicine could be (lived through that).
    In fact, socialism that I know was not much better than slavery.
    Did you live through any?
    Dr. Carson might be still somewhat naive, but he is most intelligent, knowlegable and decent person than anyone in the current government or Congress. If you are a government employee – you got your “break”.
    DR. ALEX

  6. Please tell us your home country and your experience with socialized medicine. Dr Ben Carson is a brilliant pediatric neurosurgeon who was recently hired by Fox as a news commentator. Today, the Doctor publicly stated that women need to be re-educated. “You know, there are those of us in this society who have told women that there’s a war on them because that cute little baby inside of them, they may want to get rid of it and there are people that are keeping you from doing that, And women say, ‘No, no, they’re not doing that to me! No!’ And they get all riled up”. Earlier this year, he withdrew as graduation speaker at Johns Hopkins University amid demands from students concerned about his controversial remarks on gay marriage. On Sean Hannity’s show he seemingly compared gay marriage with bestiality and pedophilia. On Andrea Mitchell Reports, Dr.Carson delivered a standard “sorry if you were offended” apology, and explained that he was really just comparing gay people to a variety of fruits.

    • Thanks for the info. He sounds like a very opinionated individual and certainly not one I could ever think of voting for as he seems the type that would take us backward and not forward! Not very nice person then? Imagine comparing any people to fruits…

    World Bank Whistleblower Reveals How The Global Elite Rule The World
    By Michael Snyder
    Global Research, October 06, 2013
    The Economic Collapse Blog
    Theme: Global Economy

    Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel.
    She was in a unique position to see exactly how the global elite rule the world, and the information that she is now revealing to the public is absolutely stunning. According to Hudes, the elite use a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-corporations to dominate the planet.
    The goal is control. They want all of us enslaved to debt, they want all of our governments enslaved to debt, and they want all of our politicians addicted to the huge financial contributions that they funnel into their campaigns. Since the elite also own all of the big media companies, the mainstream media never lets us in on the secret that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that our system works.
    Remember, this is not some “conspiracy theorist” that is saying these things. This is a Yale-educated attorney that worked inside the World Bank for more than two decades. The following summary of her credentials comes directly from her website…
    Karen Hudes studied law at Yale Law School and economics at the University of Amsterdam. She worked in the US Export Import Bank of the US from 1980-1985 and in the Legal Department of the World Bank from 1986-2007. She established the Non Governmental Organization Committee of the International Law Section of the American Bar Association and the Committee on Multilateralism and the Accountability of International Organizations of the American Branch of the International Law Association.
    Today, Hudes is trying very hard to expose the corrupt financial system that the global elite are using to control the wealth of the world. During an interview with the New American, she discussed how we are willingly allowing this group of elitists to totally dominate the resources of the planet…
    A former insider at the World Bank, ex-Senior Counsel Karen Hudes, says the global financial system is dominated by a small group of corrupt, power-hungry figures centered around the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve. The network has seized control of the media to cover up its crimes, too, she explained. In an interview with The New American, Hudes said that when she tried to blow the whistle on multiple problems at the World Bank, she was fired for her efforts. Now, along with a network of fellow whistleblowers, Hudes is determined to expose and end the corruption. And she is confident of success.
    Citing an explosive 2011 Swiss study published in the PLOS ONE journal on the “network of global corporate control,” Hudes pointed out that a small group of entities — mostly financial institutions and especially central banks — exert a massive amount of influence over the international economy from behind the scenes. “What is really going on is that the world’s resources are being dominated by this group,” she explained, adding that the “corrupt power grabbers” have managed to dominate the media as well. “They’re being allowed to do it.”
    Previously, I have written about the Swiss study that Hudes mentioned. It was conducted by a team of researchers at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. They studied the relationships between 37 million companies and investors worldwide, and what they discovered is that there is a “super-entity” of just 147 very tightly knit mega-corporations that controls 40 percent of the entire global economy…
    When the team further untangled the web of ownership, it found much of it tracked back to a “super-entity” of 147 even more tightly knit companies – all of their ownership was held by other members of the super-entity – that controlled 40 per cent of the total wealth in the network. “In effect, less than 1 per cent of the companies were able to control 40 per cent of the entire network,” says Glattfelder. Most were financial institutions. The top 20 included Barclays Bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and The Goldman Sachs Group.
    But the global elite don’t just control these mega-corporations. According to Hudes, they also dominate the unelected, unaccountable organizations that control the finances of virtually every nation on the face of the planet. The World Bank, the IMF and central banks such as the Federal Reserve literally control the creation and the flow of money worldwide.
    At the apex of this system is the Bank for International Settlements. It is the central bank of central banks, and posted below is a video where you can watch Hudes tell Greg Hunter of the following…
    “We don’t have to wait for anybody to fire the Fed or Bank for International Settlements . . . some states have already started to recognize silver and gold, the precious metals, as currency”
    Most people have never even heard of the Bank for International Settlements, but it is an extremely important organization. In a previous article, I described how this “central bank of the world” is literally immune to the laws of all national governments…
    An immensely powerful international organization that most people have never even heard of secretly controls the money supply of the entire globe. It is called the Bank for International Settlements, and it is the central bank of central banks. It is located in Basel, Switzerland, but it also has branches in Hong Kong and Mexico City. It is essentially an unelected, unaccountable central bank of the world that has complete immunity from taxation and from national laws. Even Wikipedia admits that “it is not accountable to any single national government.“ The Bank for International Settlements was used to launder money for the Nazis during World War II, but these days the main purpose of the BIS is to guide and direct the centrally-planned global financial system. Today, 58 global central banks belong to the BIS, and it has far more power over how the U.S. economy (or any other economy for that matter) will perform over the course of the next year than any politician does. Every two months, the central bankers of the world gather in Basel for another “Global Economy Meeting”. During those meetings, decisions are made which affect every man, woman and child on the planet, and yet none of us have any say in what goes on. The Bank for International Settlements is an organization that was founded by the global elite and it operates for the benefit of the global elite, and it is intended to be one of the key cornerstones of the emerging one world economic system.
    This system did not come into being by accident. In fact, the global elite have been developing this system for a very long time. In a previous article entitled “Who Runs The World? Solid Proof That A Core Group Of Wealthy Elitists Is Pulling The Strings“, I included a quote from Georgetown University history professor Carroll Quigley from a book that he authored all the way back in 1966 in which he discussed the big plans that the elite had for the Bank for International Settlements…
    [T]he powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations.
    And that is exactly what we have today.
    We have a system of “neo-feudalism” in which all of us and our national governments are enslaved to debt. This system is governed by the central banks and by the Bank for International Settlements, and it systematically transfers the wealth of the world out of our hands and into the hands of the global elite.
    But most people have no idea that any of this is happening because the global elite also control what we see, hear and think about. Today, there are just six giant media corporations that control more than 90 percent of the news and entertainment that you watch on your television in the United States.
    This is the insidious system that Karen Hudes is seeking to expose. For much more, you can listen to Joyce Riley of the Power Hour interview her for an entire hour right here.

    Articles by: Michael Snyder
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    The “Towers of Basel”: The World’s Biggest Central Bank Has Private Shareholders
    As I’ve pointed out for years, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) is owned by the world’s central banks, which are in turn owned by the big banks. See this and this. It turns out there may be a very…
    Bankers Rule the World: “The Network of Global Corporate Control”
    Bankers rule the world. A new Swiss Federal Institute of Technology study says so. Written by Stefania Vitali, James Glattfelder and Stefano Battiston, it’s titled “The network of global corporate control,” saying: “We find that transnational corporations from a giant…
    How The World Bank Destroys the Local Economy: REPORT UNCOVERS WORLD BANK FUNDED LAND GRAB IN UGANDA
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    • That was quite a lengthy read. I’m sure Ms Karen Hudes. a Yale scholar, is brilliant but she missed on these points

      The World Bank is a cooperative, made up of 188 member countries. These member countries, or shareholders, are represented by a Board of Governors, who are the ultimate policymakers at the World Bank. The five largest shareholders, France, Germany, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States appoint an executive director, while other member countries are represented by 20 elected executive directors.

      The Federal Reserve System is not “owned” by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. The Federal Reserve is is subject to oversight by the Congress of the United States, which often reviews the Federal Reserve’s activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. The 12 regional arms of the nation’s central banking system are organized similarly to private corporations–possibly leading to her confusion.

      Established in 1930 in Basel, Switzerland, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) is a bank for central banks. It takes deposits from, and provides a wide range of services to, central banks, and through them, to the international financial system. The BIS also provides a forum for international monetary cooperation, consultation, and information exchange among central bankers; conducts monetary, economic, and financial research, and acts as an agent or trustee for international financial settlements. The Federal Reserve is an active participant and regularly attends meetings of the BIS. The chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York have been members of the Board of Directors of the BIS since 1994. The BIS cannot accept deposits from, or provide financial services to, private individuals or corporate entities.

      Utah (in 2011), is the only state to pass a law recognizing gold and silver coins or bullion as legal tender, but the State says there hasn’t been a rush to use them to pay for goods. Arizona is said to be tinkering with the idea.

  8. If there was any doubt that the “Tess “Trueheart” character” (male or female…since one can be anything on the internet) is anything but an Obama shill, it is quickly disappearing.

    The “Tess character” is spending an INORDINATE amount of time to Google and spew forth in volumes the vile propaganda that is Obama’s pernicious anti-American agenda.

    The “Tess character” claimed was very involved with some Women’s Group in Texas — if true, that would leave little time for the “Tess character” to keep on posting and posting, post after lengthy post, NON-STOP every single day here!

    Conclusion: The “Tess character” has exposed itself as nothing more than a pernicious Obama shill.

    • Can’t let it go, can you, Surfisher…everyone knows you are a barbarian so write…write…write.

      • Tess: He’s just upset that you make the effort to find sources to back up your arguments. I don’t remember the last time rabid old Smurfisher added anything but hatred to a discussion.

    • Surf: You are just making yourself look ridiculous with all these personal attacks that add absolutely nothing to the discussion at hand. All heat and no light. Please wait to post until you actually have something to add.

    • Tess Liehard — keep on posting your prevarications aimed at destroying our liberties and our constitutional rights, per Barrack Hussein’s agenda.

      There will always be someone here to expose you as the pernicious Obama shill that you are.

  9. Nate — where were the 37% approval polls taken for Barrack Hussein…in Philadelphia, the City of Brothers Love…LOL?

    Poll America’s Heartland, and see if Obama gets even 5%…!

    Oh, but the media could not do this, since it may reflect the actual truth….

  10. With Obama’s DISAPPROVAL rating climbing through the roof — now is the perfect storm to go after all of Barrack Hussein’s perfidies full throttle!

    Let’s get this anti-American Usurper of our White House impeached, and hopefully send to jail for a long, long time.

    This will be a good start:

    Contact Texas congressman Steve Stockman and urge him to start an immediate investigation of Barrack Hussein’s failure to provide naught but a forged Birth Certificate online!

    Texas congressman Steve Stockman:

    326 Cannon House Office Building
    Independence Avenue
    Washington, DC 20515
    Phone: 202-225-1555
    Fax: 202-226-0396
    Hours: M-F 9-5:30pm

    420 Green Avenue
    Orange, TX 77630
    Phone: 409-883-8075
    Fax: 409-886-9918
    Hours: M-F 8-4:00pm

    web page:

    Make this short video VIRAL!

    • Surf: You really don’t understand politics or the public. Gallup shows Obama approval at 44%, and you’re relying on an Associated Press-Gfk survey that puts the rating at 37 percent.

      But you have no idea why.

      Survey respondent Suzanna Orne said he’s not decisive or refreshing. “It sounds like he’s kind of weak,” she said. “He does one thing and does another.

      THAT has always been the main complaint against Obama–not your delusion that he is some kind of super-human, brilliant demon who is out to destroy the universe (and is watching you from your garage).

      Anyway. let’s say that the business half of the Republican Party uses its influence to end the shutdown and raise the debt ceiling. If that happens, Obama will be seen as standing firm, and THAT will strike at the heart of most complaints against him–that he is seen as week and indecisive. So his ratings will increase, if the current fiscal mess is resolved.

      • Goethe — you truly are a clueless buffoon here.

        But keep on posting, it only make you look sillier by each post you type, kid.

        • Surf: If you ever said anything of substance, I think we would all be shocked. You’re all personal attack and silly rants. As you’re getting older, you’re getting more childish and petty.

          My point in that post was that you are delusional, because you keep trying to make Obama into some kind of superhuman villain, whereas, if you were to ask normal humans, the complaint against Obama is that he seems weak and indecisive. Instead of addressing that point, you just attack, attack, attack. And that gets quite dreary, chum. . .p.

  11. What we do know is very few polls give the “base source”. Rep, Dem, Lib, Indep and Geo location. I personally have never participated in a phone poll, because i won’t answer the phone unless a “name” appears. Maybe Gallup should elicit opinions to their website.

    BTW Goethe – gallup says POTUS app is 41% and disapp is 53% – go to gallup and check the dailies.

    • Sam: I just checked the poll done by Hart Research for NBC and Rupert Murdock’s Wall Street Journal. It shows a slight uptick in Obama’s approval rating.

      Here’s the actual poll, not analysis of it:

      Last month, his approval was 45% and this month, 47%. Disapproval has ticked down from 50 to 48.. Not numbers to write home about, but it illustrates that the public disapprove when they feel that he is not being firm. Whether you like it or not, the general public likes that he has said he will not negotiate, and when this is over, his numbers will rise quite a bit.

      • Aw Goethe – we’ve been down this path before. 1- it’s MSNBC/NBC, slightly left of Lenin; 2- again no identification of political affiliation or geography.

        Tess the polls will always will always reflect the low-information voter that watches ABC/CBS/NBC – The Liberal media controls the U.S. – look up some of the remarks of the exit polls of the last two elections.

        Also – the Veteran’s rally over the weekend in DC – the MSM were trying to make it political and say it was organized by the fringe far-right Tea Party and while the were a couple of politicians there this was a Vet rally – period! run by Vets and that the Administration had no right or purpose to close our monuments. But i would not be surprised if 90% of vets (and AcDu) are Tea Party, I am, and all my friends in and out are. When you look at the Platform it looks a lot like Libertarian and reflects mindset and goals of millions around the whole geography of the U.S. and everyone of us signed a lifetime commitment we would die for our country’s Constitution – till we die. Not really far-right! Huh??

        One MSM talking head (WaPo’s Parker) referred to Senator Cruz as Ted bin Laden – i say she buys ink by the liter and brains by the ugram

        • Sam: Yeah. I looked for the ORIGINAL poll. It doesn’t matter that it was posted by MSNBC. It’s still the original poll, without any commentary. I tried to get it from the poll taker, but couldn’t find it, and frankly, there’s a limit to the time I can put into it.

          Regardless, if it’s an original document, it doesn’t matter if it comes from MSNBC, or its counterpart, Fox–original is original.

          Regarding Kathleen Parker, her title is “opinion writer.” Are you now saying no one should be allowed to offer an opinion? She’s not a reporter.

          It should be noted that the article said that the battle between the Tea Party and the establishment is like a battle of Mafia dons.

          And the reference to Cruz as Ted bin Laden was just a clumsy way to say he is rabble-rousing, and making otherwise reasonable representatives gamble with the entire world economy, and more importantly, I think, with the dollar bill as World Currency.

          The only reason we have gotten away with living so high is that the world uses the dollar as if it were “money.” AND our debts fluctuate with the value of our currency, so if we go down, our debts go down, for instance. Once we show that we don’t intend to honor our debts, they will pick another currency (which has been under discussion for decades, and now, the Chinese renminbi is looking a lot more reliable).

          But I do think “Ted bin Laden” was an unfortunate choice of words by he opinion writer. I think “Ted Kardashian” or “Ted Hilton” (famous for being famous) would a better name for him: everything for the personal gain of Ted Cruz, the country be damned.

  12. Thanks, Sam, for explaining why polls can’t be relied upon with any certainty. Depending on which question was ask, to whom the question was ask, and which poll you read, will tell you that either the Republicans have fallen further than the Democrats, both parties have lost the same amount of ground, or whatever.

    • MUST SEE — superb 17 minute video by Ron Paul.

      Concisely describes our current state as a nation, and what will inescapably follow.

      Make it viral — America needs to wake up, to comprehend the EVIL that is the Obama Administration. And Obama’s probable endgame to declare Martial Law, and thus suspend elections and finally achieve his goal since childhood to become King (look up video 3 at minute 5:45 — he writes on his school steps “King Obama” as a child)!

      The below is a MUST SEE — “Who exactly is Barrack Hussein Obama?”

      part one:

      part two:

      part three:

    • Dear Tess —

      The easiest solution TO STOP OBAMACARE FROM DESTROYING US, is to impeach Obama on his failure to provide a valid birth certificate, which he STILL refuses to do!

      Call your Reps AND ALSO FAX them the below (since phone calls never get you to your actual Representative) — FAX this:

      “We demand that an investigation be started in Congress BY YOU, dear Congressman, as to Obama’s failure to SHOW HIS ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AS OF YET — no copies, please, since no US Citizen could get anywhere with a Copy, but MUST show the ORIGINAL (what makes Barrack Hussein Obama ABOVE the Law NOT TO DO what WE ALL American Citizens must do)!
      Why won’t Obama show his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate — “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about!” (that is his mantra on the NSA spying on US)! So, what is Barrack Hussein Obama hiding from Congress and We the People — as per this video:

      Dear Congressman, if you are unwilling to start such an investigation, be assured we won’t be willing to cast our votes for you come election time!”

      Fax this Patriot in my home state (and also your Reps):

      Texas congressman Steve Stockman:

      Fax: 202-226-0396

      • Surf: What does this have to do with the shutdown? Irrelevant, as usual.

        Nate already warned you about spamming with your copy-paste from one thread to another. Knock it off.

        • Goethe Behr — you mean like the below post you copied and pasted on all previous threads?

          Get a life — lowlife. You are nothing here, but the forum’s #1 dolt…now that Tess Liehard is gone (if she comes back, then you’ll be a number two…again….).

          October 5, 2013 at 1:35 pm ·

          “…Both houses just voted unanimously to pay government workers retroactively for time lost. I mean, it was a nice thing to do, for people who are being used as pawns.

          HOWEVER, how can Tea Party legislators rationalize paying people for NOT working?? Isn’t that exactly counterpoint to the Tea Party philosophy? If they’re not on salary, shouldn’t they be paid only for the hours they work?”

          • Surf: Sigh.

            First of all, the post that I did several weeks ago was ONLY posted to threads that dealt with that topic.

            Second, I apologized for repeating the post, but wanted to reach the people who had posted on the topic, and therefore, cared about THAT TOPIC.

            Third, I was posting in order to ask for opinions ON THAT TOPIC. I was seeking a response.

            –By contrast, when you spam your rants across many threads, your delusion is that you are “teaching” us, as if you were, for some reason, superior to us.

            I think people might actually like you if you actually read what they wrote, and gave an honest and sincere response–instead of a pompous pat on the head if you felt the deserved your papal approval.

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