It can be said that the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) 2013 is the unofficial start to the 2016 nomination process for Republicans. Most, if not all, of the big names being floated for a 2016 run on the GOP side are in attendance.

Report from CNN:

Nearly a dozen Republicans who might be considering a run for the GOP presidential nomination in 2016 are auditioning in front of the Conservative Political Action Conference, which touts itself as the largest and oldest annual gathering of conservatives.

On Friday, Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, will speak at CPAC. If Romney is the GOP’s past, then Senators Marco Rubio of Florida and Rand Paul of Kentucky are the GOP’s future.

Both men, considered leading 2016 Republican White House hopefuls, gave back-to-back and dueling speeches Thursday. Although different in style and with divergent plans to revitalize a party that’s lost the last two presidential elections, both men praised the conservative cause.

“We don’t need a new idea. There is an idea. The idea is called America, and it still works,” Rubio said to loud applause.

Paul said that for the Republican Party to win, “liberty needs to be the backbone of the GOP.”

Aside from Rubio and Paul, of course, candidates such as Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker are also mulling 2016 runs. The list also includes several others I’ve failed to name. Another notable might be Dr. Ben Carson, Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins University Hospital. Dr. Carson made waves just over a month ago when he publicly and thoroughly chastised many of President Obama’s policies while the President sat just a few feet from the podium.

Exit question: Who is the most intriguing prospect you see for 2016 on the GOP side? For Democrats, who would you prefer to be running against in 2016?


  1. The name of the game is to bring home the bacon. Problem is that in order to bring it home you got to get it first so not everyone is going to be happy here for sure. Take Sarah Palin for example. One of the best for sure, brought billions into her home state by taxing the other 49 states that used oil. Then there is Perry. Gets companies from other states to set up in his state. Great. But most politicians get the bacon from the people closest to them in their home state. Bad idea as all they are doing is taking money out of the private sector and putting it in the hands of the government to squander away often times shipping it out of their state. Detroit is a classic example of this.

  2. In my opinion, Dr. Ben Carson would be the best candidate for President in 2016..he has the charisma of a Ronald Reagan, he is in very knowledgeable beyond his medical field in government and economics, has natural leadership abilities and is a patriot who is honest and loves his country…he will be a great in the debates.

    • Okay, so he is a many of exceptional vision (as a surgeon) he has proven that. In the political arena that remains to be seen. He is against political correctness, wants the government to shrink in size and spend less. Also favors the flat tax, a hard sell.

      Not all that much different from many GOP candidates.

      • You’re missing the point…he is smart, has the most charisma and charm, and most of all is most electable and would be a good President.

    • I do like Carson a lot better than the other two (and a heckuva lot better than that idiot, Mitt.) But, other than one speech he has given, what else do we know about him? Would he have the fortitude to stand up when all around him are bowing down to the problematic monster that is our government? He seems to be a good man, of good humor, and lives his beliefs. I just don’t know that he is enough, “in the know”, to actually make a difference. Do we want to throw all of our support behind a guy who may not really wish to be president, either?

      • He wouldn’t be at CPAC if he didn’t want to be President…he is smart, has the most charisma and charm, is patriotic, honest and loves his country…he is the most electable and will do great in the debates. Those of you who didn’t support Romney wound up getting Obama elected…are you proud of that fact and the damage that Obama is continuing to do to bring America to it’s knee around the world?

        • The assumption here is that Romney would have been better. His track record would tend to indicate a little differently. Heavy debt and poor job creation. The fact that Romney got a large number of votes, would tend to indicate that almost any GOP governor could have won

            • Than ? ? ? Who ? Romney ? ? ? Guess most people didn’t agree with you on that point but then again I voted for Johnson.

            • David:

              Sticks’n’stones, dude. Billy can be annoying as hell, but he’s certainly not a fool or moron.

              Besides, you are still not making your point clear. And that, you know, puts your intelligence in question. What, exactly, were you trying to say??

            • Gee Mr Behr, the point I got was that anyone that didn’t vote for Romney was a fool (or worse) because by not voting for Romney, Obama won. Been wrong before, just my take.

            • Mr. Behr,

              Even Billymalone got it…Romney lost by only about 3.5 million votes…my point is that the Republicans who did not prefer Romney did not vote for him, therefore, Obama won with the help of the Republicans who did not support their candidate…as a result Obama who is a traitor (remember his recorded conversation with the President of Russia to tell Putin that he will have “greater flexibility after being reelected” and also is well documented liar (remember the lie about the video being responsible for murder of the Ambassador and 3 others in Bengazi). Obama got 4 more years to damage our country which he doing on a daily basis. Also Ron Paul bears a lot of responsible for not endorsing Romney…his followers are loyal to him and would have voted for Romney if he led to the way. Christie also undercut Romney by praising Obama for his response to the “perfect storm” only was a photo op for Obama…the response was terrible…as the resident of Statin Island.

              The 2012 Presidential election was the most important election ever…Obama is a traitor, liar, incompetent and narcisistic unqualified President ever who is putting into place Marxist policies that are destroying everthing that made this country great.
              Shame on those Republicans that did not give Romney 100% support because of their short sighted egos.

            • David: Geez, watch your blood pressure, dude. I don’t want to go point-for-point with you, but Obama didn’t tell Putin anything. He was sitting with the lame-duck Medvedev, who was pressing him on an issue, and Obama’s response was, basically, “yeah, yeah, sure, sure, I’ll talk about that with someone who is NOT a lame-duck, when I am not a lame duck.” I’m not defending Obama, I’m saying you are way too paranoid.

            • Yeah but them food stamps and free cell phones are two very formidable opponents. The smell of Bush still lingered in the air.

            • David Hern says: “Also Ron Paul bears a lot of responsible for not endorsing Romney…his followers are loyal to him and would have voted for Romney if he led to the way.”

              Wow. You REALLY misunderstand what motivates the people who supported Ron Paul. Far, far more than any other voters, they think for themselves. Have you forgotten how many of them turned on Rand Paul for doing that very thing (endorsing Romney) ?

            • Great point but I kind of like Rand thus far and if you don’t say the right thing to get elected well ………….SOL (for want of better words)

  3. I liked Rand Paul’s filibuster. For one thing, it was a REAL filibuster–not just a hint of a filibuster (which sends the majority into the corner, quivering).

    Likewise, he picked the perfect topic. Aside from McCain, there was hardly anyone on the right or left who doesn’t want some kind of control on drones.

    • What Rand Paul was a good thing and he deserves credit. However, the main issue is to have a Republican candidate is the most electable…Dr. Ben Carson has charisma, charm, is knowledgeable, not only in regards to health care, in government, economics, and is honest, a true patriot and loves his country…he would be an excellent candidate who the Democrats will fail to smear. By the way, I am an Independent interested in saving our country the traitor and liar now in the White House.

      • Okay, no reason to scratch him off the list for me anyhow but that flat tax is not welcomed by all.

      • I completely DIS-agree. Choosing a candidate based primarily on electability means you have no particular interest in what philosophy or policies he/she would pursue.

        I have a very good friend who says that anyone who sets aside principle in the voting both for pragmatism is simply a cowardly voter. Now, with him, I completely agree. The only way we will ever get principled candidates is to refuse to vote for non-principled candidates.

        • Neville – I don’t believe it is as simple as voting for the Principled candidate. There are so many variables. Even Ron Paul who was the best candidate in the race this last time didn’t have enough. He didn’t have enough of the general public and non of the black or latino votes. Plus his age. This CPAC should have been about establishing a new (even if it is the same) ideology, putting it in cement, and start selling it NOW to the public. If a MSM dissents, challenge them and back ’em down. Pretty soon the general public will stop watching the MSM and when the Dems start the negative ad campaigns they will already have lost. Then a number of PRINCIPLED candidates will be there to move forward. The principled party candidates have to establish the right principles right NOW and get the general public to listen to them. There just aren’t enough general public that know and understand what it takes to make us solvent again, and the principles of a Democratic Republic following the original ground rules of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And the Dems and MSM will do anything to keep Obama and the Administration rolling to insolvency and a dictatorship. And once Obama becomes that Dictator the MSM will be forced to stay in compliance with Obama. They almost are now – notice that FOX gets the “big chill” from BHO and Administration pressers – but the big three and AP get the nods.

          • I still disagree. WRT Ron Paul, his age was a non-issue – he was more fit than Romney and BHO, it appeared to me. He also had better poll numbers with Hispanic voters than Romney. But the kicker was that he was the only GOP candidate that could bring in the libertarian/Constitution vote as well as disaffected Democrats. In fact, at this time last year, RP was showing up in the polls as able to challenge BHO and sometimes beating him, even in the old-guard-GOP leaning Rasmussen polls.

            Principle is never wrong, in my opinion. I will cast my lot with John Quincy Adams any day: “Duty is ours. Results are God’s.”

          • the voters want everything so long as it can be put on the credit card. RP’s message was you don’t need many of those things you can’t hope to pay for. That message just doesn’t resonate with a great deal of the voters who have huge credit card debts and/or are receiving handouts from the sugar daddy in DC.

  4. Who can forget Rand Paul’s 13 hour irrational rant on the senate floor or Marco Rubio grabbing for a gulp of water. Just as who can forget Christie standing tall amid the wind and rain trying to help the people of New Jersey. His own party has forgotten him but Christie will remain a hero to all Americans regardless of party affiliations. Jeb Bush? His last name is his downfall. Ladies need to remember that Marco Rubio voted “NAY” to: Reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act, Bring Jobs Home Act, Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act, Requires Labels on Foods with Genetically Modified Ingredients. These is just a “smidgen”of no’s that Marco Rubio voted against issues vital to wives and homemakers. Rand Paul joined Rubio in voting no to the above laws plus he voted NAY to the Paycheck Fairness Act and To Ensure the Complete and Timely Payment of the Obligations of the United States Government.

    • Thanks, I can scratch MR Tess if that is true. I’ll check it out. As far as Christie goes well he holds the #1 spot for the most rats running down the rope. Not a good sign.

    • Tess,

      What is your complaint re. Rubio’s and Paul’s votes on those particular bills? Are you disagreeing with the vote itself, or with their stated reasons for the No votes?

      • Neville…I disagree with their vote of “No” against these bill as well as their stated viewpoints. Rubio’s excuse for twice voting “No” to Violence against Women Act “These funding decisions should be left up to the state-based coalitions that understand local needs best, but instead this new legislation would put those decisions into the hands of distant Washington bureaucrats in the Department of Justice”. We all know that locals often find it permissible to beat a woman ever so often. Rand Paul, along withTed Cruz (TX), Mike Lee (UT) and Jim Risch (ID), declared that Violence Against Women Act was unconstitutional. What doctrinaire sabotage from four bullies. There is no acceptable viewpoint that would allow genetically modified ingredients into our food chain, much less having the lawful right to hide the discretion. Inserting desirable genetic traits from one organism into the embryo of another produces so-called “transgenic” animals. Transgenic animals have been developed to promote faster growth, disease resistance or leaner meat, as well as to minimize the impact of animal waste. Biotech firms have filed 12 patents for GE animals. The United States is the world leader in genetically engineered crop production, with 165 million acres, or nearly half of global production. Both Rubio and Rand Paul voted that we do not have the right to know what we are eating. Rand Paul and Rubio voted “No” to the Paycheck Fairness Act which said a female should be paid wages equal to her male counterpart. I am not interested in what low grade thinking made them vote no on this issue.

        • I think you would be best served by the Democratic Party. If it ain’t in the U S Constitution, it is up to the states.

        • Tess,

          Billymalone is right. These are simply not areas where the federal government is allowed to exercise authority, EXCEPT to initiate constitutional amendments if enough Senators/Representatives feel it necessary.

          For the record, here is Rand Paul’s statement on the food labelling issue. You will note that his stated reasoning is very similar to that of his father when his father voted against similar legislation:

          “I am an opponent of the FDA’s war on natural foods and farmers. I’ve stood up for raw milk, hemp and natural supplements. I fought to take power AWAY from the government on these issues. So while there is evidence we should be concerned about GMOs, we should also be careful not to lose our constitutional perspective simply because the end result is one we may desire. That’s what we fight against. That’s what the statists do. Take a look at a pretty thorough rundown on the recent GMO amendment. There were many more problems with it, including the potential the FDA could have assumed broad new rulemaking authority if this badly written amendment had passed.”

          We simply CANNOT allow ourselves to bring, support, or approve legislation just because we think the idea behind said legislation is good. We have rules to follow (the US Constitution) and we MUST follow them.

          • Like only buy food from placed that do label and pay extra if you want it. Don’t force me to pay for something only a few people want. I drank raw milk as a kid on a farm and we got the eggs with a little blood in them too.

  5. Tess mentioned on a different thread of Dr. Carson’s abusive behavior of his wife. In the way the MSM took out Cain on a supposed harassment / affair, the MSM will take out Christie on his weight. I don’t believe the Republican or Libertarian party can conjure up a candidate that will win over the MSM. That is who controls the elections.

    The Pubs had two pristine people against a Chicago crook and an old man dumb as a rock and the MSM still took the Pubs out.

    • two pristine people ? ? ? Hey the GOP gave them a lot of help in electing Obama and even more in re electing him.

      • Besides, that was their problem. They were so “pristine” that they are not normal Pompous, petulant prigs. Somebody real, like Christie or Huckabee would have walked to the White House. They wouldn’t have had to “run.”

      • Billy – what i meant by pristine is the MSM couldn’t come up with dirt. Romney was not the ideal Pub candidate by a long shot but “clean” and I still haven’t figured out why the MSM was able to convince everyone that Romney was such a “bad” person. I’m not sure how the GOP aided Obama in either election other than they couldn’t “come together”. Which is still dissolving the Party. If an alternative to Dems stand any chance, get rid of the baggage, form a new Party with ideologies that “the people” not MSM talks the most about. Leave personal beliefs and rights, including religion and abortion and guns, out of the ideology. Focus on the 220 yr old docs that we started with.

        • I don’t think anybody was convinced that Romney was a “bad person”. They were convinced, however, that he was a “bad candidate” and was “not a conservative”, both of which I think were very true (and I came to those conclusions without being convinced by MSM).

          Now that Rand Paul and Marco Rubio have both publicly repudiated the GOP old guard and the previous two GOP POTUS candidates, carving out a new party might finally have a chance of working.

            • Sorry, Billymalone, but I don’t remember that. Can you try to refresh my memory with more details? “Seamus” in particular doesn’t ring any bells at all.

            • During a 1983 family vacation, Mitt Romney drove twelve hours with his dog Seamus on top of the car in a windshield-equipped carrier. This incident became the subject of negative media attention and political attacks on Romney in both the 2008 and the 2012 presidential elections.

              The real problem was every time he was asked what happened to the dog we got a different story.

        • Okay things were good under Clinton and went down hill under Bush. It was so bad that even a black politician from Chicago could beat any GOP contender. Next time around they put up a guy that was like 46 out of 50 in job creation and hiked fees (aka taxes) through the roof as governor. He also left the state with a billion dollar deficit. Obama on the other hand has like 46% of the vote in the bank with the food stamps, free cell phones and union vote. The election was much closer than I though but I had my money on Obama but voted for Johnson. Out of the $500.00 I had on Obama I collected about $150. The rest are IOU’s that I will never see but had I lost they would have been over on election night.

    • Tom: That’s not fair. There were also YOUNG, rich males saying the same old thing. And that was exactly what Rubio said–the same old thing is what they do want.

      I don’t think they did themselves a favor by saying they need to STOP pandering to the rich against the middle class. Phrasing it that way just supports the opposition charge.

  6. It’s not the ‘message’ that is old and tired; it is the establishment dems and repubs who are the old and tired and need to go. Limited government, free markets, less regulation, lower taxes, protection of private property rights, etc., etc., enduring principles. It is the self serving overpaid (Congressmen/women make 100,000 to 200,000+ a year and our soldiers make what?…..24,000 to 60,000?) protect their power-base actions that are old and tired in my view and we need to stop re-electing these turncoats. They seem to turn into totally different people once they get to WDC from the persona they present to us when they are running for office. Who has the fire in their belly to make sure our country runs on the Constitution? Not twisting it and attempting to redefine words. Also complicit in the devolving of our freedoms and shredding of the protections of individual liberty are the judges on the supreme courts.

  7. Billymalone…those are the most commendable thoughts I have read today. You should have been the keynote speaker at CPAC for no one there offered a true course to obtain those results. Rand Paul went after the Republican establishment that had ignored his father, former Texas congressman Ron Paul. He said “the GOP of old has grown stale and moss covered.” He urged a libertarian approach that was heavily skeptical of drug laws and drone warfare. Marco Rubio waltzed on stage to the music of the British boy band One Direction. His speech recalled George W. Bush’s compassionate conservatism. He, also,explored his belief on social issues, his anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion stance. Sarah Palin was given an unusual introduction by Senator Ted Cruz ““The mainstream media is absolutely convinced that women cannot be conservatives, and if they are, they especially cannot shoot really big guns and hunt grizzly bears in the woods, that’s why Gov. Sarah Palin drives the mainstream media bat crap crazy. She deserved better than that. Perhaps Jeb Bush expresses it best: “Way too many people believe Republicans are anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-science, anti-gay, anti-worker, and the list goes on and on and on. Many voters are simply unwilling to choose our candidates even though they share our core beliefs, because those voters feel unloved, unwanted and unwelcome in our party.” CPAC speakers furnished lots of accusations, finger pointing and beating of the chest but not one worthy suggestion on how to be tough on crime, how to improve education, how to rework the tax code or the impossible, how to reduce the size of government in a humane manner.

    New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell were pointedly not invited for their heresies against conservatism.

    • Common ground ? I like Sarah Palin not for what she says but for what she did as governor of Alaska. She knows how to bring home the bacon big time. Rick Perry seems to be doing a great job too but he is a bit of a control freak as I see him. Chris on the other hand is #1 when it comes to the exodus. Not a good sign with all the rats running down the rope.

      • Billymalone,

        You would probably be shocked at the large percentage of Texans that really REALLY don’t like Rick Perry. We look at Perry as “all hat, no cattle”.

        • Yeah but look at his track record and Texas is #1 for people moving into. I guess I wouldn’t like that if I lived there though. Perry is bring home the bacon and getting it from other states just like Palin did. Can’t say that I like him either as a person though. But hey he sure beats most other governors out when it comes to the stats.

          • Billymalone, it is done with budget tricks and buying down companies’ future tax obligations to get them to move here or move jobs here. It’s a great short-term fix, but not so clear in the long term. Perry torpedoed an anti-TSA bill here 2 years ago, has always been in favor of a police state, and won’t support things like constitutional-carry bills even though he suddenly got all constitutional when people started tickling his ears about running for POTUS. He is an opportunist whose greatest accomplishment has been keeping his hair.

            • For sure I’d like to hate him too as he does appear to be a control freak but:

              The economy of Texas is one of the largest and most rapidly growing economies in the United States. As of 2011, Texas is home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 51 overall, (third most after New York and California).[9] As the largest exporter of goods in the United States, Texas currently[when?] grosses more than $100 billion a year in trade with other nations.

              He is brings home the bacon just like Palin did.

    • Tess – CPAC blew a necessary conference coming out as fragmented as going in. They should have established the principles of a revitalized new party platform that carries the Constitution and Bill of Rights that has been our foundation for centuries. Some civic rights that should not specifically named by other Amendments to be dealt with by the 10th Amendment and choice is trumped by physical and mental conditions. Abortions other than medical are a personal choice and justification will be stood up to an immortal energy. ALL ARMS shall be bared by ‘we the people’ and shall be infringed, All illegal immigrants sent to Joe in AZ.

      The fact of the matter is and I’ve said it several times – the MSM will demonize any Republican candidate and the Republican party. It is their job, literally to protect the Democrats and the Democrat party. If Conservative don’t step on their own tongues, then the MSM will conjure a scenario to influence the American public that Republicans, Libertarians, and Conservatives are not worthy of a vote.

      Jeb Bush’s stupid statement was uncalled for – as the MSM demonizes, if a Pub or Conservative endorses it, shame on them.

      People that know better, both citizens and politicians should take on MSM

  8. Values are what got O’Bama re-elected. The values of “Millenials” (people born btwn 1981-2000 and comprise of 76 million Americans) along with “Generation X’ers” (people born btwn 1966-1980 which comprise of 60 million Americans) = 132 million vastly differ

    from the Traditionists (people born before 1946) and comprised of 75 million Americans and the Baby Boomers (born btwn 1946-1965) and are comprised of 80 million Americans that – 155 million people.

    The Millenials and Generation X’ers grew up depending on more Government help than the other generations before them. Their attitude seems to be “the hell with anyone else, as long as I am getting mine.”

    Add that to our corrupt politicians (both parties) whom live in an alternative universe called “Washington D.C.”) who think other people’s money is for the taking and for the paying of all the programs that they promised their constituents and what do you get ~ unstainable debt and a country sliding into despair.

    No perfect candidate exists, but we have to be mindful of the ones that are pushing a more dangerous position ~ “Agenda 21” that is determined to destroy this great country of ours and to strip us of the hard earned liberties that we enjoy and probably take for granted.

    We need a hispanic candidate (Rubio or Cruz) if there is any chance of righting the ship, of not allowing Texas to become a blue state. The North American Union will come (the corridor is already being built from Mexico to Canada) and will erode our national solvency if we remain static in our thinking. Cruz’s oratory skills are stellar, as are his academic credentials.

    • Daisy: “Values are what got O’Bama re-elected.” – really!!!! BHO has no values or morals, he spews something and the MSM will turn it into a Savior statement. If he says something not on a prompt, you will get 5 different interpretations from abc/cbs/nbc/msnbc/cnn.

      Until Dems are out of office – the world is pressing ahead on Agenda 21 & NAFTA.

      As Neville says: ‘”national solvency” ?’ – whoa, we’re broke!! the only reason we haven’t declared Bankruptcy is because nations “restructure” and BHO will take even beyond that, until we are a second rate nation in chaos.

      • Sam, what I was referring to is how the values of the voting populace has changed.

        People born to traditionists were taught to do things for the collective good of our country, where nowadays, people put more of a premium on individual choices and what directly benefits them (government dependency). They are also being taught global responsibility ~ the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and leaving a “lighter footprint”.

        In the city where I work, they have already started a mass construction of stack and pack housing and are installing meters to “monitor” electricty consumption.

        I know our Country is broke, but we aren’t at the point of no-return yet, like Cyprus and some of the other 17 countries in the Eurozone. At least, that is what the talking heads are trying to convince us.

        CPAC gave out its report card today and why the Republicans are behind the Dems in regards to technology; branding; marketing and resonating with the young people.

        Democrats are already launching a plan to make Texas a blue state.

        Change my words to “National Sovereignty”, perhaps that is the only thing left that we can realistically fight for….

  9. Daisy…As a Texan, I would like to remind you that Texas was a Blue state from 1846 to 1968. When President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964, the solid south, in anger, went predominately Red.

    • Tess,

      As an American, I would like to remind you that the Southern Democrats were once conservative. The good people of Texas haven’t change, but the parties’ platforms have. Here’s another revelation for you ~
      Black people were once Republican. They chose the same party as their beloved hero ~ Abraham Lincoln.

      Politics are similar to the laws of physics: “For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction.”

      • Yeah but in politics like in marriage,far too often the worse you treat them the better they like it.

        • It all depends on the woman. Some like to be treated badly because they have low self esteem and never been around quality men. In love & politics, water always seeks it own level.

          • Maybe in marriage there are some exceptions but in politics it seem the more money they elected officials can ship out of the community for which they “serve” better their chances of re-election. The end result is always the same, Detroit.

            • So true Billy. Very few stand on principle and do what is right for the country. There is a reason why Washington D.C. is the richest city in America now. It is being supported by special interest groups and funded by tax payers’ $$$$.

            • That flows in from the 50 states it writes the laws for. Maybe if they can’t bring home the bacon, like Sarah Palin did, they could at least keep it from being shipped out. (Yet Sarah, even leaving a 12 billion dollar surplus for her state, is though of as a fool by many. And that is the problem the fool voters.

  10. Daisy…Texans are also Americans, although some do say they are a breed apart. Southern culture has always been ruled by conservative instincts. The South continues to reshape and redefine its identity, trying to resurrect the passions and intellectual fortitude of the past. Those are: economic independence, a love of liberty, and affection for traditional values. Conservative-ism as used today cannot be clearly defined. If you believe the Southern Black voted republican you need to review history and the voting years of the solid south. You need to review the current statistics on the black vote in the south. The elders will tell you Lyndon Johnson is their hero because he actually gave them freedom with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. About politics and laws in physics, are you generalizing that both are a zero-sum enterprise?

    • Tess, my history books tell me a different story: In Martin Luther King Jr.’s era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

      FDR, a Democrat did create “The Black Cabinet” the first known Federal Council of Negro Affairs, an informal group of African-American public policy advisors. Roosevelt’s administration wanted to tend to the increasing needs of African Americans which, in practical terms, had not been met since Reconstruction. African Americans wanted better representation in government, especially as most had been disfranchised across the South at the turn of the 19th to 20th century and essentially could not vote there.

      It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.

      During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to de-segregate schools.

      Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.

      In March of 1968, while referring to Dr. King’s leaving Memphis, Tenn., after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.), a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a “trouble-maker” who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

      Regarding your “zero-sum” statment, YES I think as far as Texas is concerned it is a win/loose proposition. Should Texas come a blue state, the elections are over. Texas’ electoral votes coupled with NY & California’s would guarantee a Democratic Presidency should current trends prevail.

      I referred to myself as an “American” because despite having southern roots, I am not a Texan, but I have a great affinity for your beautiful state.

  11. Daisy…In the Martin Luther King jr era not almost all Black Americans were Republicans. From 1936 to 2004, the Black Community’s support for Democrats at it’s lowest ebb was 61% and the highest was 92%. The term Republican was first used by Thomas Jefferson’s party, later called the Democratic Republican party. The name reappeared in the 1850s, when the present-day Republican party was founded. At that time the crucial issue of the extension of slavery into the territories split the Democratic party and the Whig party, and opponents of the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854 organized the new Republican party. Jackson, Michigan, is called the birthplace of the party (July 6, 1854). The present Republican party has not always championed freedom and civil rights for the Black Community. From 1877 to 1952, can you tell me any laws for Civil Rights championed by Republicans? In Eisenhower’s election to the presidency (1952), he received only 24% of the Black
    Black Community vote. To his credit, he did pass a weak Civil Rights Act. As Roy Wilkins, head of the NAACP, expressed it “just a drop in the bucket”. One of the strongest opponents of the Civil Rights movement was J Edgar Hoover, a Republican, who insisted the government lacked the legal authority to protect Civil Right workers. This is what President John Kennedy said about the March on Washington “We have witnessed today in Washington tens of thousands of Americans–both Negro and white–exercising their right to assemble peaceably and direct the widest possible attention to a great national issue. Efforts to secure equal treatment and equal opportunity for all without regard to race, color, creed, or nationality are neither novel nor difficult to understand.” Before the 1960 election, John Kennedy called to support Coretta Scott King when her husband had been confined to a Georgia jail. The Black Community remembered and gave him 70% of their votes, more than enough for his victory over Richard Nixon.

    The Democrats did not found the Ku Klux Klan. No one person or group has stood up to claim ownership. The Klan not only targets Black people, they also share their hate with the Jews, Catholics, and Immigrants of most Nationalities. It was Racists, and they come from all walks of life, that stood in the school house doors.
    How do you feel about the Irish people who endured equal scorn and discrimination from the Northern population when they arrived in America?

    I do not know who the pundit was that you quoted the four S’s from. A comedian? Dick Morris? Either way, it should have been left unsaid.

    • Tess,

      The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by six veterans of the Confederate Army. The name is probably from the Greek word kuklos (??????) which means circle, suggesting a circle or band of brothers.

      Although there was no organizational structure above the local level, similar groups arose across the South adopted the same name and methods. Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement during the Reconstruction era in the United States. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans. [excerpted from Wikipedia]

      I seriously doubt that Republican Klansmen were killing one other, when you consider Frederick Douglass, a former slave and eye witness to that era, said: “In the ranks of the Democratic Party, all the worst elements of American society fraternize; and we need not expect a SINGLE voice from that quarter for justice, mercy, or even decency.”

      Harry S. Truman (Democrat); Robert Byrd (Democrat)-a Kleagle, a Klan recruiter, in his 20s and 30s.
      Hugo Black (Democrat)-Supreme Court justice; Theodore G. Bilbo (Democrat)- Senator from Mississippi;
      James Eli Watson (Republican)-Senator from Indiana; Bibb Graves (Democrat), the 38th Governor of Alabama were ALL WELL KNOWN Klansmen. Of the 14 known listed in Wikipedia, only 5 were Republicans. Suffice it to say that 65% were democrats.

      Revising history doesn’t make it true. It only makes it easier from some people to digest…..

      Socialism is the biggest threat our Country faces. For if it is allowed to flourish, it quickly leads to totalitarianism. One only has to “remember” what Hilter accomplished in 12 years.

      Supreme Court justice Hugo Black.
      Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court Hugo Black (Democrat

  12. Daisy…Wikipedia is simply a website run by Jimmy Wales. Anyone, from anywhere, without a background or educational check, can write or edit the works in Wikipedia to correspond with their personal view. Happy Reading.

    • Tess,

      If you are a true intellectual, then I would suggest you read the two most widely cited scholarly studies on this topic: V. O. Key’s Southern Politics in State and Nation (1949), and Merle Black and Earl Black’s Politics and Society in the South (1987).

      Key wrote when southern whites remained economically, socially, and politically dominant over blacks—as they had been since the end of slavery in 1865. Southern whites used their control over government to ensure and perpetuate racial segregation and impose rampant, official racial discrimination on wide swaths of social institutions: education, housing, employment, voting, and criminal justice, to name a few.

      While racial discrimination also existed in much of the North, it was more pervasive and severe, and more a product of government actions, in the South. As Key notes, most of the South was under one-party Democratic control, and most political conflict in southern states centered on factions within the Democratic Party.

      Which brings me to the conclusion of the matter~ Political parties’ platforms are never static, but constantly CHANGE to appeal to their constituents. Both Democratic and Republican parties have changed vastly in the last 50 years!

      While slavery/racial discrimination was the biggest social injustice for over 100 years, insipid SOCIALISM is the biggest “threat” today. Reducing PROMISED medical & educational benefits and imposing work furloughs are two examples of injustices that are currently being done to our military personnel and federal workers.

      I see the Independent party (the one that I identify with) gaining momentum. Unless we fight the tyranny in BOTH parties, the two winged eagle will destroy our great country and the freedoms that our ancestors fought for!

  13. Truce, Daisy. I am not an intellect. I am a person who strives to have an open mind. I will admit to an indisputable love for my state and for the South…this is the beauty I have known all my life. I have read Valdimar Keys (perhaps because he is a Texian) and I keep a framed quote from one of his books “You never
    just pass through the South. The South not only grows on you; it grows around you. Once there, you will come back, or you will stay in it long enough to die there.”

  14. I am a southerner but in my entire life I never heard the expression “Well, butter my backsides and call me a biscuit” or “Hallaluyer, piece be steel”. I sense the crudeness of them so please put them away.

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