Been a few days now for the results to set in and everyone to begin picking up the pieces from wins and losses. The big winner obviously is President Obama who will return for four more years at the helm. However, looks like Nancy Pelosi might not be joining him in a leadership role. Harry Reid continues as Senate Majority Leader for the Democrats and John Boehner continues in the House leading the GOP.

With many of the same people returning to the same chairs, what have we learned?

For one, Super PACs are probably overrated according to NBC News which particularly looked at American Crossroads, the super PAC run by former Bush-adviser Karl Rove:

A study Wednesday by the Sunlight Foundation, which tracks political spending, concluded that Rove’s super PAC, American Crossroads, had a success rate of just 1 percent on $103 million in attack ads — one of the lowest “returns on investment” (ROIs) of any outside spending group in this year’s elections.

American Crossroads spent heavily, not just on Romney, but on attack ads on behalf of GOP Senate candidates in eight states — thanks to mega contributions from conservative donors like metals magnate Harold Simmons ($19.5 million), Texas homebuilder Bob Perry ($7.5 million) and Omni hotel chief Robert Rowling ($5 million.)

The super donors didn’t get much for their money. Six of the eight GOP Senate candidates that American Crossroads spent money to try to elect – Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin, George Allen in Virginia, Josh Mandel in Ohio, Richard Mourdock in Indiana, Denny Rehberg in Montana and Todd Akin in Missouri – lost their races, along with Romney. The group did, on the other hand, help to elect Deb Fischer in Nebraska and Dean Heller in Nevada.

Endless ads don’t necessarily translate into votes, they just become repetitive.

Another lesson? The demographic landscaped has changed, at least for the foreseeable future as voters under 30 and minorities made the difference for President Obama once again. Most notably, this trend was visible in Virginia where the President won youth by 21 points in 2008 but increased that to 25 points in 2012.

Finally, one more thing worth noting is the accuracy of Nate Silver (a different Nate) at the New York Times who predicted 50 out of 50 states correctly. Silver even got Florida correct, albeit by less than a percent chance. Report from the Chicago Tribune:

Nate Silver was right. The Gallup Poll was wrong.

Silver, 34, a University of Chicago graduate and the computer expert who gave Obama a 90 percent chance of winning re-election, predicted on his blog, FiveThirtyEight (for the number of votes in the Electoral College), that the president would get 51 percent of the popular vote as he predicted each of the 50 states, including all nine battlegrounds.

Silver’s method is based on polling and the percent chance that a given candidate will win based on their standing in the polls as the days tick by. He did well in 2008, getting 49 of 50 correct but many wondered whether he could do anywhere close to that given how tight 2012 was panning out to be. He proved critics wrong, stuck by his method and I applaud him.

I’m sure I’m missing some things. Proceed to discuss.



      I think there’s a critical difference between Silver and the others. It’s a three-step process:

      1) Pollsters gather data
      2) Analysts draw conclusions from that data
      3) Silver studies those conclusions.

      And that is the difference. The “work” is done. Silver just theorizes whose data is more reliable, and whose conclusions are more reasonable.

      To some extent, all of us wonks do the same thing subjectively. The big difference is that most wonks begin with a hoped outcome, and clutch to any shred of information that will support what we want. That’s why Karl Rove looks so deliciously ridiculous right now. He believed his own propaganda and refused to hear anything else.

      Anyway, the point is, Silver looked at OTHER people’s work, and he’s the only one who analyzed the data and conclusions objectively. My guess is that others will do the same thing now. And that means there will now be a number of analysts-of-analysts.

      •••One important point Silver discovered is that if ALL (or nearly all) polls are pointing in the same direction, the “margin of error” doesn’t matter. They can’t ALL be wrong. That’s a point that nobody seemed to think of before.

      The risk is that as the conclusions are removed farther from the data, any error in polling will be magnified. And as we become confident that the analysts are always right, we’ll be wide open for another headline like, “DEWEY BEATS TRUMAN!!”

      • These guys are great at telling their listeners just what they want to hear. If they don’t want to hear it and you tell them they are like a wife who’s best friend tells her her husband is cheating. Excuses, after excuses.

  1. Even though the obscene amounts of money rained down on candidates by Super-Pacs had minimal effects on outcomes this time, including one single member of the electorate who shelled out close to $80 million on Romney, such out-of-control attempts to corrupt and distort the election process and our democracy remains an appalling waste, especially if one considers how that money could have been put to far better humanitarian use assisting the recent homeless and the future rebuilding of the Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, and related coastal areas caused by hurricane Sandy. For those interested in learning more about the growing movement to overturn the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, go to:

  2. Agenda 21 is an action plan of the United Nations related to “sustainable development” and was an outcome of the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992, where 178 governments (including the United States) voted to adopt the program. The number 21 refers to an agenda for the 21st Century. It is a comprehensive blueprint of action to be taken globally, nationally, and locally by organizations of the UN, governments, and major groups in every area in which humans directly affect the environment.

    Now that President Obama has been re-elected, here is what we can expect:

    1. Obamacare will be 100% implemented.

    2. “Card Check” will be passed by fiat.

    3. Amnesty for illegal aliens will be done by executive order.

    4. Two leftist Supreme Court Justices will be appointed ? Gay marriage will be
    affirmed into law.

    5. Taxes will increase ON EVERYONE who pays them, i.e., the 50.5% of Americans who
    actually pay federal income taxes.

    6. The National Debt will increase beyond $20 Trillion.

    7. The Dollar will further devalue.

    8. Gold prices will skyrocket.

    9. Stock Market will tumble beginning tomorrow.

    10. Inflation will hit everyone directly; energy costs and food costs will massively jump.

    11. The Nation of Israel will come under attack from the world
    12. Russia will become the proxy ruler of America.
    13. China will become the proxy Treasury Dept. of America
    14. Agenda 21 will gain momentum, more people will have to depend on the government
    and Land ownership will become obsolete (by the year 2030).

    Invest 30 minutes in this video to find out which Presidents have supported Agenda 21. You probably won’t be surprised to learn that Representative Nancy Pelosi, Senator John Kerry, and Senator Harry Reid are also in favor of this!

    Locally across the United States, over 528 cities are members of ICLEI, an international sustainability organization that broadly helps implement the Agenda 21 and Local Agenda 21 concepts across the world. The United States boasts nearly half of the ICLEI’s global membership of 1,200 cities promoting sustainable development at a local level. As a first-world country, the United States features one of the most comprehensively documented Agenda 21 status reports. School kids and college kids are getting indoctrinated in this “New World” concept. Educate yourself and FIGHT for the FREEDOMS that our Nation was built upon!!!!

  3. Many lessons will be learned from this election. One of the loudest was the women’s protest votes. Whether “pro or con” on the abortion issue, most women resent grumpy evangicals having control of their bodies by law. The US is now a diverse country. Hispanics,Asians, African Americans,Muslims, and others made up 45% of the votes cast for Obama. The youth of America has developed a deep interest in politics. They don’t believe in the voodoo economics of Rove and Bush or the rigidity of the Tea Party. Twenty women now serve as United States Senators. Yes, “times are changing”.

  4. Here’s my two cents:

    SUPERPACS–Paraphrasing Mark Twain, the rumor of the demise of superpacs has been greatly exaggerated. It WAS, after all, only because of big spending that Romney won the primaries–by spending up to 17-to-1 more than is opponents. He just didn’t have enough money to sell a sow’s ear in the fall.

    So is it a matter of nearly equal financial weapons? Or a law of diminishing returns–that voters become numb after being beat up by propaganda. Sadly, I think the REAL lesson is that money can’t always buy elections–but LACK of money will lose them.

    As for Karl Rove, he backed losers, like Murdock and Allen. And getting a Republican to win in Nebraska is no trick–The retiring Dem was a Red Dog, which is a dying breed. I think the lesson we should learn about Rove is being a sleazy NeoCon is not the same as being intelligent.

    NANCY PELOSI–Generally, when a leader loses the majority, he or she steps down, to see if a new approach could regain the majority. The BIG surprise was that Pelosi stayed in place after 2010.

    •••JOHN BOEHNER–You missed the REAL NEWS: The first thing Boehner said was that INCREASING TAXES IS NOW OK. I can see him having the same kind of relationship that Bubba and Newt had. If so, a lot could get done–and will prevent Barry from taking back the House in 2014, by pulling a “Truman,” shouting “do-nothing Congress!”

    DEMOGRAPHICS–I think the reason for the Boehner change is that it was very clear that the GOP was too complacent after the big surge of old-white-people in 2010. They’ll be dying off. And even the “Solid South” is no longer a given. Virginia went Obama. Florida seems to have gone for Obama. North Carolina nearly did. If the Democrats pick a southerner, like Carter, Clinton, or Gore in 2016, what will Republicans have left? Nebraska??

    COALITION–Like it or not, Obama has formed a powerful coalition, in the same way that FDR did. It includes WOMEN–half the population! ETHNICS–Blacks, Hispanics, and other non-Euros are growing. If you add a few interests, such as gays, religious-freedom folks, anti-war, and a few more, and you have a solid majority. Young people have also been courted, and once people start voting, they don’t usually change affiliation.

    The Nixon-Reagan coalition of various kinds of white people is no longer enough.

  5. I found a good map to show where the real political support is–by state. These were the states that went for Romney by 59% or more:

    1) Utah 72% (well, duh)
    2) Wyoming 68
    3) Oklahoma 66%
    4) Idaho 64
    5) West Virginia 62%
    6) Nebraska 60%
    7) Kansas 60%
    8) Arkansas 60%
    9) Alabama 60%
    10) Kentucky 59%
    11) Tennessee 59%

    And these went for Obama by at least 59%:
    1) District of Columbia 91% (well, duh)
    2) Vermont 66%
    3) New York 62%
    4) Rhode Island 62%
    5) Maryland 61%
    6) Delaware 61%
    7) Massachusetts 60%
    8) California 59%

    Electoral votes:
    6 3 4 5 6 7 6 9 5 8 11 = 70
    3 3 4 3 29 10 11 55 = 118

    Don’t laugh. DC has the same electoral votes as Wyoming. And counting just these states, Obama has 118 electoral votes to Romney’s 70. And if the Dem candidate is not Black next time, I suspect the “Romney” group will be smaller.

  6. Few voters changed their support before during or after the GOP primary. Just like a jury in the “justice” system.

    • Billy:

      I guess it depends on what you’re saying. If it’s pro-Obama or anti-Obama, you’re probably right.

      But as for allegiance to candidate, it appears that supporters of most anti-Romney candidates sold their souls.

      It would be interesting to see what percentage of Ron Paul supporters (a) voted for the very guy who stifled them, (b) voted for Obama just to make sure Willard failed, (c) stuck to ideals and voted for Johnson, (d) stuck to ideals and wrote in RP, or (e) stuck to ideals and refused to vote.

      It would be interesting to see if Ron Paul supporters defeated Romney, after all. With a 51-48 popular vote difference, it’s conceivable that the 20% who consistently wanted Ron Paul made the difference. If an equal number voted for Romney as Obama–they cancelled each others’ votes. But, many normally-Republican voters simply withheld their support.

      NOTE THAT THE TOTAL VOTE WAS DOWN THIS YEAR–lower than 2008, even lower than 2004. Maybe not voting for Willard WAS the protest vote that decided the election.

      • Maybe not voting for Willard WAS the protest vote that decided the election.

        That was my take from the time I heard Sarah Palin say it many months before the election. Oh when RP or any of the others were forced out, I don’t consider that a change on the voters part when they didn’t write said name in.

        However: unless you cast a hate vote, defense contractor, or got a free cell phone, whey would anyone vote for either of the two. Just look at their track records on the deficit or job creation. Bottom of the barrel on both.

  7. Here are some numbers that will sober you up!

    A lot Less than Half of the eligible voters bothered to cast their votes this time around.
    So the “winner” got less than 1/4 — meaning over 75% of the American People do not care for Lil’ Hussein!

    1) The 2012 “election” was reduced by 12 Million (that is a huge decline from last election — showing that nearly 10% of the previous voters decided that NEITHER is worth the effort)!

    2) Who voted for Barack Hussein — and how this reflects on who determines our Nation’s path?

    a) 99% Lesbians and Gays
    b) 98% African Americans
    c) 95% Latinos (Mexicans)
    d) 92% Jews
    e) 91% Unmarried Mothers

    Qvo Vadis America?

    • Sarah called it months ago when she stated the GOP wasn’t getting their people excited enough to get out and vote. For a free cell phone I would have voted for Obama as it’s more than I go from the other guy. I did vote for Gary though and he did better in Florida than most other places.

      • I’d hardly rely on something Palin said. As usual, she was wrong. Polls showed that Republicans became extremely excited, as fox cheerleaded them on to a “sure win.”

        It had nothing at all to do with enthusiasm. As I note above, I think it was all about Romney’s many efforts to stifle the grassroots. He succeeded in keeping them home!

        • At one time the most popular governor in America. Her track record is way better than either of the two who ran for Prez this time around. (Big cuts in government spending and big cuts in taxes)

  8. I was absolute disgusted about donald trumps tweets, if thats not a reason for folks to NEVER vote Rep. again, what is… i mean, come on… it was harsh, racist and incredibly dumb, even if its his way to grab every inch of attention.

  9. Mitt Romnery did a fntastic job but he was up against and education system that does not recognize and apreciate the free entrerprise system and does not relate to our constitution and rules for national sucess. This election I feel shows the need for us to focus on our Education system to win the support of individuals long before the need arises.

    • … and don’t forget the countless bailouts, Mitt single handed over a lot of jobs to the chinese, and whats left for his so dear friends. What was in it for Mitt? Would a eventually victory have helped a so divided republican party??? At last, they have 4 years more to think about that… perhaps one of Mitts kids have more chance to be the next president, because lets be honest, all those old folks, the McCains, The Romney’s…they had their time. Let them retire and serve the community…and perhaps – if its not too much ask- volunteer somewhere, if they wanna practice what they preach. Amen

      • Right but nothing like Obama saving China Motors (GM mfg in China) Toyota shipped 60,000 Camrys into the US from Japan and you can be sure GM will be shipping in cars from China thanks to Obama.

        • Billy Malone…United States taxpayers own about 33% of new GM stock. GM has built a $200 million plant in Arlington, Texas and since 2009 GM has invested $6.9 billion to upgrade or expand it’s operations in 12 states (US). Let’s not forget, that under George W Bush, the old GM was the largest foreign car maker in China. GM has plants in Korea, Brazil and Germany. The top 10 American made cars( three by Toyota, two by Honda, three by GM, one by Ford, one by Jeep (Chrysler). GM sells cars in more than 120 countries. The auto industry is global. You might want to check on Ford…it has similar operation to GM.

          • No problem with that unless you are sticking the American taxpayers and all the widows and orphans who held GM bonds in order to support your Bernie Madoff lifestyle.

            • Billy…couldn’t let this one pass. What widow and what child do you know that held GM bonds? GM has repaid the loan portion of it’s bailout ahead of schedule. Of the Bush loan of $4 billion and $8.5 billion from Obama, Chrysler has repaid $10.6 billion. All ahead of schedule. Bailouts are not new, regardless of party affiliation. New York City was bailed out in the mid 1970’s for $9.7 million dollars. The bank bailout, under George W Bush was for $700 billion, then his takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,plus an economy in collapse costing 818,000 jobs in January 2009. All before Obama was sworn into the presidency. Who are the persons that you claim are living the Bernie Madoff lifestyle?

            • In long-established bankruptcy law in America, bondholders are the first in line to receive the assets of a bankrupt company. Obama changed that, putting the unions first. Bondholders got only about 5 percent on their invested dollars.

              I widow I know well,, was left $200,000 worth of GM bonds by her late husband and a $1200.00 a month SS check. Those were 8.5% bonds or $17,000 a year.
              Long story short she now is a greater at Walmart at age 68. Job creation the Obama way.

              Thus $200,000 became $10,000 in a company that was just too big to fail.

    • Sorry but I just don’t see it. To me any educated person would look at the facts that Romney was 47 out of 50 in job growth and 50 out of 50 in debt per capita. Now if you want to cut back on employment and create more debt Romney is a shoo-in for the job.

      I myself would on consider a governor who was in the top 10 not the bottom 5. So please tell me what am I missing here. The guy does indeed look presidential, I’ll give you that. Now go, I’m all ears.

        • If the situation is as it is now:

          Must have been or is a governor and rated in the top 10 when in office.

          Took over with a state in debt and turned it into a surplus when he left.

          Are the citizens of said state paying less or about the same as when the governor was voted in, (sneak taxes included like Romney’s fee hikes)

          I think Gary Johnson could answer yes to all of the above.


    Today, 11-09-2012, Ron Paul speaks out against all the evils that we are now facing!

    Watch this 30 minutes video and spread it like wild fire!

    (No longer encumbered by having to choose his words, while running for the presidency, Ron Paul NOW speaks his mind — AND ALL SHOULD LISTEN)!

    Mark my words — freed from the confines of playing the NECESSARY TACTICAL Game in the chase of getting elected — Ron Paul will NOW have a much greater impact in reaching all people!

    There cannot be a debate that Ron Paul is the Greatest TRUE AMERICAN of the 21st Century!

    And NOW, his words will reach even greater audiences that will DELIVER HIS MESSAGE OF THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT as our Nation further slides into Poverty and Despotism by the Criminals that are In Power of Our Government Today!

    Watch this video from minute 33:23 till 58:49!

    (Huckster Alex Jones is tolerable — since Ron Paul is talking)

  11. This thread is lessons from 2012.

    So I looked up the results of Religion, to see if it made a difference.

    As it turns out, Evangelicals voted to an even HIGHER rate for Romney as they had voted for McCain (78%, up from 74%). There are just not as many of them, as part of the population, as before.

    And despite the church establishment doing a blatant, political campaign this year against Obama, he once again took the Catholic vote, down from 54% to 50%. It’s also important to note that the “small tent” church keeps losing its faithful, with 12% now identifying as “formerly” Catholic. Catholics are now 25% of the vote–the lowest since exit polls began 40 years ago.

    Romney won 30% of the Jewish vote (up from McCain’s 21%), but they are only 2% of the population.

    So it appears that religion had little impact on the election. That’s a good thing.

  12. Billy Malone…Thanks for letting me have one last word. Investors holding about 54 percent of the Detroit-based carmaker’s bonds, or 975 institutions, agreed to support GM and the U.S. Treasury’s plan to swap their claims for equity and warrants. All investments offer a balance between risk and potential return. The risk is the chance that you will lose some or all the money you invest. Surely the late husband of your widowed friend must have realized the chance he was taking.

    • Obama stole the company’s assets from bondholders to give to the UAW union. Bondholders get paid first not the unions.

        • Obama only had the 47% locked up (food stamps and free cell phone people). He needed more. The UAW was ripe for the picking. He already stated he was going to stick it to the “rich”, people who own securities. They are not going to vote for him no matter what. Get the picture? If he takes from the people who are not going to vote for him and gives to the people who would if they get to keep their jobs and benefits for the most part, he gets another term in office. The windows and orphans are collateral damage and are to dumb to know what happened anyhow. Ohio, Pennsylvania, & Michigan are his.

          A real shyster for sure but a brilliant one no doubt.

    • Principles we must stand by!

      “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….” Thomas Jefferson

      “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

      “Freedom is not merely the opportunity to do as one pleases; neither is it merely the opportunity to choose between set alternatives. Freedom is, first of all, the chance to formulate the available choices, to argue over them — and then, the opportunity to choose.” C. WRIGHT MILLS

      “When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.” DOROTHY THOMPSON

      “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”—Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

      “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” EDMUND BURKE

      “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN

      “We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
      But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.” — Written in a letter by then former President Theodore Roosevelt on January 3, 1919 to the president of the American Defense Society.

        • Right now, the federal government owns 500,000,000 shares of GM, or about 26% of the company. It would need to get about $53.00/share for these to break even on the bailout

          General Motors Company (NYSE)?
          25.04 +0.32? (1.29%?)

          General Motors Is Headed For Bankruptcy — Again

  13. GM and the UAW have developed a strong relationship where they tackle problems together rather than butting heads as in the past. Today, GM’s labor costs are just about on par with its Japanese competitors in America. GM’s vehicles are more competitive at this time. Cadillac, GMC and Chevrolet quality all ranked above average on the recent J.D. Power Initial Quality Study. Basing an argument for bankruptcy on U.S. market share trends is not logical. GM is a global company with a strong balance sheet,(from GM’s 2012 second quarter performance sheet) $33 billion in cash and $5 billion in debt on its balance sheet; posted $2.5 billion in net income so far this year, and generated $1.7 billion in automotive free cash flow in the second quarter. Let’s not toss around such incendiary words as “bankruptcy” for a political football game. GM is not bankrupt.

    • GM bondholders, lost almost everything. $27 billion of bondholder debt was erased and bondholders were given a very small piece of the new GM pie. The politically-favored UAW fared much better under the Obama plan as its jobs and benefits were preserved and they received the second largest ownership stake in new GM, behind American taxpayers.

      Less than half of GM’s jobs are American.

      ExxonMobil paid $31 billion in taxes for 2011 while GM actually had a tax benefit of $110 million.

      Operating tax free so they can “compete”.

      Bottom line is, if the stock were $1.00 a share I’d short it.

      • Truly, my last reply. Exxon is the world’s largest publicly traded international oil and gas company. Exxon operates facilities or market products in most of the world’s countries and explore for oil and natural gas on six continents. Exxon recieves $4 billion a year in tax breaks fom the US government alone. Exxon (XOM, Fortune 500) says it paid $3.1 billion in taxes in the United States — more than even the $2.6 billion in profit it made selling oil and gas.To get to that number, the company includes the federal and state gasoline taxes that the company collects from drivers and passes on to government coffers. It also includes payroll taxes the company pays on behalf of its employees. Unusual accounting. Oh, by the way, less than half of Exxon’s employees are in the USA. From Exxon’s website: “for the last five years,ExxonMobil incurred a total U.S. tax expense of almost $59 billion, which is $18 billion more than the company earned in the U.S. during the same period”. And elephants fly.

    • They can’t make it with all the Federal money they are getting now, how are they going to make it without the printing press?


      ***Petition for Texas to secede from US reaches threshold for White House response***

      The People are finally Waking Up!

      The petition on asks the Obama administration to “peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government.” The petition had surpassed 34,000 signatures as of Monday evening.

      Similar petitions from other states have also been filed including: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. However, unlike the petition from Texas, none of these states had reached the 25,000-signature threshold to get an official White House response as of Monday evening.

    • Newt was the only guy on stage that “could” have done what needed to be done but I doubt he would have done it. Got to say he sure knew the ropes in DC

  14. ***Petition for Texas to secede from US reaches threshold for White House response***

    The People are finally Waking Up!

    The petition on asks the Obama administration to “peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government.” The petition had surpassed 34,000 signatures as of Monday evening.

    (interesting language: “to peacefully grant”…what would happen if it is not peacefully granted?)

    Similar petitions from other states have also been filed including: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Tennessee. However, unlike the petition from Texas, none of these states had reached the 25,000-signature threshold to get an official White House response as of Monday evening (with 30 days to go, how many States would also qualify?)!

    Here is the MSM link (with their usual spin):

  15. Ron Paul: You’re Not FREE if you Can’t Secede from an Oppressive Government

    “In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over. If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore? At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government? And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?”

    Spread this 4 minute message like wildfire!

    My Take:

    The District of Columbia (Washington, DC) — where the White House and all Federal Governmental Agencies reside — have passed the point by their anti-American-anti-Constitution ACTIVITIES that they have FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be called the USA. De facto, THEY have already SECEDED from the Union by constitutional default, and any State that wants to secede from THEM is a State that wants to RETURN BACK to the original CONSTITUTIONAL USA!

  16. *I Dreamt of Free America* (a friend of mine that escaped the Soviet Block in 1968 asked me to post this for him):

    “I lived in a Communist Country that was totalitarian. In the morning I woke up to TV news that told me how great our Socialist Government was, then read the same in their newspapers, while waiting in line for bread. I was then 16 years old.

    My parents went to work before the break of dawn, and came home exhausted each day after 7pm. The meager dinners we had were the best of times — my parents taught me not to believe the lies the communists told, but to dream that there is a truly FREE COUNTRY called America, where we’ll all try to escape to someday!

    School I hated — it was six days a week back then — and all they taught us was how great our socialist leaders were, and how wonderful the world would be once Communism is achieved.

    Every other Sunday, my parents and I (just like all our neighbors) had to attend in a basement the local Commissar’s mandatory gathering. Here, all had to pledge allegiance to our Socialist Republic, and have us tell on neighbors and friends who might be an Enemy of the State. The Commissar always made a patriotic call that ANY CHILDREN, that have seen or heard, their parents say something against the State MUST report them, since that is how our country would be saved from internal foes.

    I’m sadden to recall that there were a few children that reported their own parents (these children did get an extra allowance of candy, AND THE RARE Chocolate bar…and we envied them, since Chocolate was an unheard of luxury back then), but next time we never saw their parents….

    But I loved my parents and respected them — and no Chocolate bar could ever replace them.

    We did escape in 1968 — and came to Freedom, the Greatest Country in the World back then, the USA!

    My parents died in the 1980’s, and I no longer mourn them — because I’m happy they did not live to see what this nation has become!”

    “Right now our USA is no different than the communist country I escaped from over 40 years ago!

    Please, do not let my tale die with me.”

  17. Illegal Everything…in America!

    re: John Stossel (from FOX News)— spread this video like Wildfire, showing that nearly All our Liberties are GONE!

    It is estimated that over 1/2 Billion Negative Laws, Rules and Regulations have been created by the Federal Government in the last 40 years.

    This number is STAGGERING — More NEGATIVE LAWS than there are Americans (counting all men, women and children in the USA) TELLING US WHAT WE CANNOT DO (thus negative laws) upon the THREAT Of GOVERNMENTAL PUNISHMENT!

    All these UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS are enforced by gun-totting UNIFORMS — if you have not run afoul of such, try selling Lemonade on our lawn…and see how many gun-toting Uniforms will come to shut you down by the threat of their guns they so proudly wear!

    Some are awakening to the fact that Our Citizens have become the most government controlled peoples on this Planet today!

    These Few Enlightened Citizens, these Brave Patriots, these pure Souls in search of TRUE Justice and Liberty for All, have started petitions in all 50 States to Secede from the Federal Government that by its anti-Constitutional and anti-American ACTIVITIES has FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be called the USA.

    The goal of the Secession Petitions is not to break away from the Union, but to negate the Unconstitutional Powers that Washington, DC has usurped for their own anti-American interests, and return ALL States to the Original (Organic) US Constitution!

    It is shameful that the Main Stream Media, and their parroting, brainless shills, have such fear of the Truth, and are spreading false and silly accusations to this American Principle — Secession (if we did not Secede from Tyrannical England, we would not be called Americans)!

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