Following the first third-party candidate debate last week, two chosen independent candidates will be meeting one last time prior to Election Day. After the first debate, viewers voted on which two candidates would continue on to this next round. We will carry the live feed on Monday. Note, this debate does not include President Obama or Mitt Romney.

Air Time: Monday, November 5, 2012 at 9pm et / 8pm ct / 7pm mt / 6pm pt

TV Channels: C-SPAN, RT America, Al Jazeera English (Don’t email me asking how to find these channels besides C-SPAN)

Participants: Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson, Green Party candidate Jill Stein

Report from Free and Equal:

Free and Equal Elections Foundation today announced the date of the second open-party Presidential debate has changed to November 5. The debate will feature Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson and Green Party candidate Jill Stein, a line-up decided by voters last week after the first debate between Johnson, Stein, Constitution Party candidate Virgil Goode, and Justice Party candidate Rocky Anderson.

The November 5 debate will be held from 9:00pm to 10:30pm Eastern Time at RT America’s state of the art studio and facility. RT America will open its studio and offer a live, neutral feed via satellite to interested media. The moderator will be announced next week.

The first third-party debate is available here if you’d like to view it.

41 COMMENTS

  1. Nate:

    At the first debate, the host said that email would decide which TWO candidates would debate this time. I don’t think the other two will be there.

    • I would hesitate to call it “very” disappointing. Perhaps just disappointing.

      OT1H, you got the stupid questions like the plug for the esoteric nominating process that one’s ever heard of and none of the candidates liked.

      OTOH, you got to meet the other candidates and hear arguments for different positions.

      But to be honest I’m not sure how I’d run it either. My first instinct is it should be debate of Libertarianism vs. Liberalism. But who doesn’t already know whether they’d vote for Stein vs. Johnson, who would actually watch a 3rd party debate. I suspect not a single person.

      So the debate should hilite why liberals should vote for Stein (vs. Obama) and conservatives should vote for Johnson (vs. Romney). But Obama and Romney aren’t there.

      • Ryan:

        Exactly. Instead of a debate BETWEEN Stein and Johnson, it should be an opportunity for Stein to say why you should NOT vote for Obama; and for Johnson to say why you should NOT vote for Romney.

          • Billy:

            Are you still harping on that number that he pulled out of his butt? Even he admitted that it was not true. It included military families, retirees, the unemployed, and all kinds of bible-thumpers and gun slingers, as if they would vote for him, anyway.

            I gave you the number Obama can count on, which is an amalgam of majorities of women, blacks, Hispanics, and a few other groups. But it does NOT add up to 47%.

            Romney just likes to paint himself as a VICTIM.

            • Billy:

              Yeah, but Willard was just trying to look like a VICTIM to his fat-cat contributors, so he pulled a number out of his butt and made up “who” those people were.

              As you say, BOTH candidates will get about 47%. And you can saw whatever you want about your opponent’s supporters.

              It would be like saying the 1% are going to cast 47% of the vote for Willard. Makes as much sense.

      • I for one don’t believe in the debates at all. These turkeys all have track records. No one is running for president fresh out of college and even those guys have track records that businesses look at before they hire them. You want to take a country through bankruptcy you hire Romney. You want wealth redistribution you hire Obama. You want to turn a country around that is deep in debt you hire Johnson.

  2. If I were running the show, I would have had the two liberal candidates debate, and the two conservative candidates debate. THEN, I would have invited Obama to debate the liberal candidate, and invited Romney to debate the conservative candidate.

    The way it is now, it’s just a circus–the night before the election–with two candidates who will be seen as “extremists.” A genuine liberal debating a genuine conservative. While it will be entertaining and perhaps informative, it won’t mean anything.

    Of course, Obama and Romney WOULDN’T agree to participate. So then, the entire hour will be Jill Stein’s critique of Obama, and the next hour program will be Gary Johnson doing a critique of the so-called conservative Romney.

    THAT would tell us something, and if it had happened ahead of the conventions, the major party candidates would have had questions to answer to the public.

    • “THAT would tell us something, and if it had happened ahead of the conventions, the major party candidates would have had questions to answer to the public.”

      I agree with your sentiments for a more robust dialog and debate but you think it would have gotten attention which would force them to answer questions? Ron Paul was on a stage with Romney many times yet that generated few questions in the media regarding Romney’s views. In this case, according to major media, these debates don’t exist.

      Often media bias isn’t what is reported but what is omitted.

      • Nate: And that gets back to my oft-repeated contention that the media are not biased, they are just (a) lazy, and (b) fighting for ratings at any cost.

        But I am not so sure of the futility of it. While it’s true that even Ron Paul couldn’t nail down Willard, the point is that NO ONE can nail down Willard. He’s like a jellyfish. If you go back to the GOP debates, you’ll see that he agreed with almost everything everyone else said.

        THAT is why it would help to have a REAL conservative grill the sucker.

        OR–maybe we ought to have a debate that is composed completely with the media finding quotes of the MAJOR candidates, and say, “On March 3, you said this, but on September 22, you said this, which is it??”

          • Billy:

            That’s what was wrong with the first debate. Obama was expecting to see Romney, and in each of the debates, he became entirely different people.

            All spring, he was writhing at the mouth about all the people he wanted to kill, if he got a chance. And suddenly, He’s singing Kumbaya, My Lord.

            Likewise, in the spring, he was saying if people can’t find a job or afford medical care, let ’em die. And in the debate, he’s talking about expanding the social safety net.

            Over the past month, Willard has gone back to sounding like Ted Kennedy.

            • Whatever it takes. Mark Cuban said he wouldn’t hire him because of what you just posted. But two of the big money guys did say they would hire him. It was split 2 & 2.

        • I actually think Romney and Ron Paul had a little truce during the debates. They were incredibly cordial to each other while holding little back from other opponents. Romney knew he’d need some of Paul’s backers and Paul, perhaps, was angling for some higher level position within a theoretical Romney admin?

          For example:

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-paul-and-romney-a-strategic-alliance-between-outsider-and-establishment/2012/01/20/gIQAf8foiQ_story.html

          • RP was asked that on some of the news networks and he cited where he went after Romney. Now he wasn’t given all that much time during the debates so he tried to get his message out as best he could.

            • Billy:

              But you can’t deny that Ron Paul and Romney were holding hands through MOST of the debates.

              My impression is, like all the other runners-up, Ron Paul felt that all he had to do is knock off the other runners-up, and in a one-on-one debate, it would be clear that Romney is NOT a conservative.

              In Ron Paul’s case, he came close. He got a lot of delegates (before the “correct amount” were stripped from him, making him irrelevant). In the end, he didn’t even have enough delegates to speak at the convention.

              Ron Paul underestimated the duplicity and unscrupulous power grab of the GOP establishment, and the naked opportunism of their chosen candidate.

              This week, Ron Paul said Willard had the WORST line of the night during the final debate. And he steadfastly refuses to endorse Willard.

            • Oh but I think he enjoyed every minute of it. All those young college kids telling him how great he was. No trouble raising cash either. Now he can sit back and tell everyone, , “I told you so”.

          • Nate: Yeah, I agree completely. At the time, I asked what the hell he was doing. He was taking potshots at the other candidates, while Willard just walked away, unscathed.

            At the time, I wondered if there had been a deal, but the fact that Romney did so many dirty tricks to stifle Ron Paul supporters, and the fact that Ron Paul continues to refuse to support him, makes me wonder.

            I’d like to see Ron Paul as Secretary of State, or better, Secretary of War (that’s what we used to call it, and that’s what it really is).

            But my guess is, since Ron Paul is a doctor, that if Ron Paul did give up his credibility and join that administration, Willard would want to name him to the non-office of Surgeon General.

            Since Ron Paul doesn’t have a job now, he could just take it as a place to retire in peace. And of course, since Willard has no unchanging values or ideals, there’s no reason not to name anyone to anything.

            • Yes, I think Paul is an honest public servant and would serve well in a meaningful position. He is an advocate for the individual, something missing in Washington.

          • I completely DIS-agree. Paul himself said that his debate tactic was to take on the supposed “conservative” candidates of the moment. Romney was never anointed as such. Paul’s media ad strategy, by contrast, was to take on all comers and he punched at Romney right along with the rest, calling him a “Massachusetts liberal” among other things.

        • Amazing that the people have been bamboozled into thinking that either Barack Hussein or Mormon Mitt are a solution — when both are AGAINST these principles upon which our Nation was built!

          PRINCIPLES we must stand by!

          “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….” Thomas Jefferson

          “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

          “When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.” DOROTHY THOMPSON

          “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” —Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

          “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” EDMUND BURKE

          “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN
          —————————————————————————–

          Voting for either anti-American — Barack the Kenyan or Mitt the Mexican Mormon — would only be legitimizing the further government corruption that seems to have no end!

          VOTE for Garry Johnson — who stands for these principles, and is on nearly all 50 States ballots (unlike my 1st choice, Ron Paul, who is NOT on ANY States ballots) or face the dire consequences of failing to do so — TIME TO WAKE UP AMERICA!

          VOTE GARY JOHNSON — the only REAL AMERICAN LEFT on the BALLOT!

  3. Just Say NO to Rmoney — VOTE for ANYONE but Mormon Mitt!

    The Mormons stripped the richest man in the world, Howard Hughes, not only of his life, but his entire fortune (that is how the Mormons got financial power to jump start their cult)!

    Now another Mormon wants to do the same to our entire Nation!
    And his 5 Mormon Sons are waiting in line to finish US off!

    *Vote FOR Gary Johnson* — Do NOT vote for Mormon Mitt (or Barack Hussein) the lesser of two evils!

  4. Unless you VOTE for Gary Johnson — we won’t have an Election, but puppet Selection!

    You want a prediction — here is an APODICTIC one:

    The American People LOOSE, regardless which one of these two puppets (Barack Hussein or Mormon Mitt) gets “elected”!

    (PLEASE, SPREAD THIS — THERE IS TIME LEFT TO INFLUENCE THE UNDECIDED!)

  5. Hello, Everyone in “NEW JERSEY, STATEN ISLAND, LONG ISLAND, and NEW YORK CITY, “GOD BLESS AMERICA” what this “STORM has put on the GROUND in your “NEIGHBORHOODS” as of today. “VOTE” as a “WRITE IN FOR THE GREEN INDEPENDENT PARTY MR> LEIGH COTE’ ” for the NEXT PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA”. WE will aquire a “STROM if you put “O” or MITT” in WASHINGTON< D. C. in 2012!!" "VOTE " COTE' for "THE GREEN INDEPENDENT PARTY as WRITE IN for THE PRESIDENT of THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA for 2012, "GOD BLESS AMERICA 2012" Thank You.

  6. If Mormon Mitt gets into the White House — he’ll start purges against Ron Paul’s supporters to make comrade Stalin proud.

  7. VOTE GARY JOHNSON — or see our Nation END 2012!

    Just Say NO to Rmoney — VOTE for ANYONE but Mormon Mitt!

    Keep Mitt’s mittens off of the White House — or face An American Tragedy!

    The Mormons stripped the richest man in the world, Howard Hughes, not only of his life, but his entire fortune (that is how the Mormons got financial power to jump start their cult)!

    Now another Mormon wants to do the same to our entire Nation!
    And his 5 Mormon Sons are waiting in line of a Rmoney Dynasty to finish US off!

    *Vote FOR Gary Johnson* — Do NOT vote for Mormon Mitt (or Barack Hussein) the lesser of two evils!

  8. *NEWS FLASH, NEWS FLASH, NEWS FLASH*

    Today, 11-09-2012, Ron Paul speaks out against all the evils that we are now facing!

    Watch this 30 minutes video and spread it like wild fire!

    (No longer encumbered by having to choose his words, while running for the presidency, Ron Paul NOW speaks his mind — AND ALL SHOULD LISTEN)!

    Mark my words — freed from the confines of playing the NECESSARY TACTICAL Game in the chase of getting elected — Ron Paul will NOW have a much greater impact in reaching all people!

    There cannot be a debate that Ron Paul is the Greatest TRUE AMERICAN of the 21st Century!

    And NOW, his words will reach even greater audiences that will DELIVER HIS MESSAGE OF THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT as our Nation further slides into Poverty and Despotism by the Criminals that are In Power of Our Government Today!

    Watch this video from minute 33:23 till 58:49!

    (Huckster Alex Jones is tolerable — since Ron Paul is talking)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbg8ranlUjU&feature=player_embedded

  9. Principles we must stand by!

    “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….” Thomas Jefferson

    “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

    “Freedom is not merely the opportunity to do as one pleases; neither is it merely the opportunity to choose between set alternatives. Freedom is, first of all, the chance to formulate the available choices, to argue over them — and then, the opportunity to choose.” C. WRIGHT MILLS

    “When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.” DOROTHY THOMPSON

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”—Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” EDMUND BURKE

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN

    “We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
    But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.” — Written in a letter by then former President Theodore Roosevelt on January 3, 1919 to the president of the American Defense Society.

  10. Ron Paul: You’re Not FREE if you Can’t Secede from an Oppressive Government

    “In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over. If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore? At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government? And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?”

    Spread this 4 minute message like wildfire!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8RrBCT_NXI&feature=player_embedded

    My Take:

    The District of Columbia (Washington, DC) — where the White House and all Federal Governmental Agencies reside — have passed the point by their anti-American-anti-Constitution ACTIVITIES that they have FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be called the USA. De facto, THEY have already SECEDED from the Union by constitutional default, and any State that wants to secede from THEM is a State that wants to RETURN BACK to the original CONSTITUTIONAL USA!

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