The seconds are ticking down to Tuesday and every pundit has an opinion on what the outcome will be. In the tradition of going out on a limb, I think we need to get some predictions from the 2012EC community on the record before Tuesday. If you don’t feel like making a full-blown electoral map, at least give us your final electoral vote count for President Obama and Governor Romney as well as your projected winner.

Directions: Click the link below, set the states as you see them coming out on Tuesday. Click the “Share Map” button and copy/paste that link in your comment below. You can give your electoral count as well in your comment.

Create Your Electoral Map:

On Wednesday we can re-visit this topic and I’ll make a post giving our top 3 closest guesses and our top 3 worst guesses.


  1. I’m not predicting this, but if Obama wins Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, DC, New Mexico, Washington, Oregon, California, and Hawaii–he’d have 269. If Romney gets all the rest–he’d have 269. And then, the House of Representatives would pick the next president.

    • You don’t have nerve cells in your bones so that probably explains why you’re voting Romney. You don’t have an education.

      • Wow, are you actually that incredibly full of yourself that you lack the ability to realize that what Moose Muffin has said is a time-honored phrase that has been around and widely used for centuries? Seeing as how you’re obviously an Obama supporter I’ll be waiting to see who you throw under the bus when these disastrous past four years is questioned by any sane, intelligent, rational thinking person. Obama is a documented liar. Too many people have needlessly died under his watch. The growth of our economy is decreasing instead of increasing, the unemployment numbers are going back up,his foreign policy is a joke, his attack on the coal and gas industries have had disastrous results, do you really need more reasons than that? During Obama’s 2008 campaign he stated “If I don’t cut the deficit in half then I don’t deserve a second term.”. Now, was the deficit cut in half? Of course not, the deficit has more than doubled. There is no reason for you to debate what I’ve said, I’m not interested in hearing you repeat the outlandish lies coming out of the Obama camp. Just know that voting for Obama is voting against the constitution of the United States of America and putting the America we are leaving to our children in jeopardy. If you’re not part of the solution, then you’re part of the problem. Ironic how a then Senator Obama says Bush’s use of executive orders is an abuse of Executive privilege yet Obama has signed almost double the amount Bush did in half the time.

        • You are insane romney is a complete liar he talks over peoPle when have a complete discussion and doesn’t understand anything !

        • You are insane romney is a complete liar he talks over peoPle when have a c discussion and doesn’t understand anything ! Sweetie now do you understand

        • Ohio:

          Cut the kid some slack. I thought it was pretty clever of her to tease Moose about using the old cliche about feeling it ‘in his bones.” She had a funny retort.

          At least he didn’t use the idiotic, sickening cliche about throwing somebody “under the bus,” as if one couldn’t think of anything original to say.

          But at this point, I just have one objection. We keep hearing about “broken promises,” such as Clint Eastwood saying that Obama didn’t close Gitmo, as promised. He tried, but Congress refused.

          Also, I don’t remember Obama making “promises” anyway. Mostly, he talked about GOALS. If you can’t get cooperation to achieve goals, it’s not your fault.

          But in particular, when he said he would cut the deficit, that was BEFORE the stock market crash and total panic and chaos that nearly destroyed the entire world economic system. As you recall, Bush ALSO “promised” to cut the deficit, but 9/11 made it impossible.

          In real life, sh*t happens. You can set all the goals you want, but if planes fly into the World Trade Center, or the business community is thrown into chaos, there are suddenly more important things to do–and so, lesser goals will have to wait.

        • OhioMommy:
          You mean the debt Bush put us in? Obama got the auto industry out of debt and under him, we killed Osama. Healthcare for the poor being a big thing in my opinion. Without it, it’s like telling someone to go home and just die. Yes, I admit that the Affordable Care Act has its flaws, but if one looks at the EU, where most nations have socialized medicine, one realizes that socialization is needed for progress. He brought our soldiers home from the unnecessary war that we were in. The only way Obama can get us out of debt is by adding some more because Bush put us in the hole way too much. Oh. By the way. Who won by more than 100 votes last night, hm?

          Thank you. I have been agreeing with you on all your comments you have posted on this forum. Apparently this “OhioMommy” doesn’t realize that sh*t happens in real life. The Bush Administration was aware of the attack, but Bush just decided to go read a book about ducks to an Elementary class and let the US crumble. Obama Biden 2012!!!

  2. Just Say NO to Rmoney — VOTE for ANYONE but Mormon Mitt!

    The Mormons stripped the richest man in the world, Howard Hughes, not only of his life, but his entire fortune (that is how the Mormons got financial power to jump start their cult)!

    Now another Mormon wants to do the same to our entire Nation!
    And his 5 Mormon Sons are waiting in line to finish US off!

    *Vote FOR Gary Johnson* — Do NOT vote for Mormon Mitt (or Barack Hussein) the lesser of two evils!

    • Your a dumb liberal and you need to get some info on Obama and stop being an obambies cause that man is a joke and a waste of space

      • Wes:

        You cannot imagine how ignorant you sound. Calling Surfisher an Obama fan is like calling Captain Kirk a Klingon. . .

        • it has nothing to do with barack obama being black… lets not be racisits here. its about what hes going to do to our country not….. about what clor he is??? what does that gotta do with anything.

          • Uhm ashley hun, why dont you ask the world. because yes, i’m pretty sure part of it is because ombama is black. oh well….

            • Corrine:

              You’re right. Most Blacks are voting for Obama, and most Mormons are voting for Romney. It’s the same as 1960, when Catholics overwhelmingly voted for JFK.

              People vote for “their” guy. That’s a good thing.

              But nobody seems to be voting against Romney because he’s not a Christian, but there are a lot of whites, especially in the south, who ARE voting against Obama, primarily because of the color of the skin (no matter what “excuse” they use).

          • It has Everything To Do With It Bush Was White And Fucked Our Country Up But Yet we Let Him Stay In Office For two damn terms 2001-2009 And He Is The One That Has us All Fucked Up Like We Are Now It Is Not OBAMA That Has This Country Shitty Its Those Few That Came Before Him Such As Bush Now There Is A Black President In Office And Everything Is All Of A sudden His Fault That’s A Load Of Bull Shit How Can You Expect Him To Fix Things In One Term Get A Fucking Clue I Pray OBAMA Is Reelected So All U Racist Bastards Can Go Fuck Your Selves Obama Is Trying You Can Not Expect Him To Change America In One Damn Night If that rom ass wins everything is gonna go to SHITS he is only gonna make the richer richer u IDIOTS cant u see that and i know damn well ain’t nobody in this room banking meaning rich for the slow ones so dont go with what you know your mamma or daddy have voted Republican their entire life but have been broke as shit their entire life so u r gonna do the same break the cycle and do whats right and for those who say OBAMA Has left the military out by not sending another plane well u dumb bitches the first one blew up not by fucking coincidence it was probably shot outta the fucking sky so why the hell would u send another one shit happens and u have to deal with it am i saying it’s right no but what if there is nothing he can do about it hell and he very well may be working on that here is an idea why don’t u volunteer to fly the Damn plane and get shot the fuck up … ugggh dumb bastards VOTEOBAMA!!!!! All The Way TO The End…..

    • So you are not voting for him because he is Mormon? Grow up. That’s like saying “I’m not voting for Obama because he is black.” I am so tired of hearing people say they won’t vote for Romney because he is Mormon. At least he has some values. He isn’t and could never force you to become a Mormon, so what other reasons do you have that you won’t vote for him. If you are going to debate and have a intelligent answer, it should be better than “because he is Mormon.” Stop being a fucking child and vote for what is best for this country. If you believe Obama is best, fine, just have a better fucking reason then the one you gave. I believe in Romney, no I’m not Mormon, I just have faith that he will be better and that Obama just isn’t right for our country. Romney&Ryan 2012!

      • Sarah:

        I have not supported Surfisher regarding the Mormon connection, because there are a hundred better reasons NOT to vote for Romney.

        But I have to tell you, while I have heard people criticize Romney for being a Mormon, I have not heard EVEN ONE person say they were voting against Romney because of his religion.

        HOWEVER, I have heard MANY Evangelicals say they are voting FOR Romney, because they mistakenly think he’s a Christian. That’s the only reason religion is relevant. If that’s the ONLY reason you’re voting for him, and you’re wrong about what he believes, well, then that IS important.

  3. Amazing that the people have been bamboozled into thinking that either Barack or Mitt are a solution — when both are AGAINST these principles upon which our Nation was built!

    PRINCIPLES we must stand by!

    “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….” Thomas Jefferson

    “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

    “When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.” DOROTHY THOMPSON

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” —Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” EDMUND BURKE

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN

    Voting for either anti-American — Barack the Kenyan or Mitt the Mexican Mormon — would only be legitimizing the further government corruption that seems to have no end!

    VOTE for Garry Johnson — who stands for these principles, and is on nearly all 50 States ballots (unlike my 1st choice, Ron Paul, who is NOT on ANY States ballots) or face the dire consequences of failing to do so — TIME TO WAKE UP AMERICA!


    • Nate:

      You’re such a nag. OK, here’s my prediction: Obama will win about 275 Electoral Votes–basically, the same states won by Abraham Lincoln in 1860.

      And like Lincoln in 1860, he will lose the popular vote (when you add Lincoln’s three opponents)–because the southern white vote is so extremely anti-Obama.

      I’m figuring he’ll take Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Nevada–but lose Florida, North Carolina, and Virginia.

      How’s that for sticking my neck out.

    • Nate — sorry, but who would care about such predictions (other than as a game)?!

      When the most important thing is to assure that Mormon Mitt does not win, thus establishing a Mormon Dynasty, with his 5 Mormon Sons ready to take over for decades to come!

      You want a prediction — here is an APODICTIC one:

      The American People LOOSE, regardless which one of these two puppets gets “elected”!

      • Terry:

        Just like a vote for Romney is a vote for Mickey Mouse. Makes as much sense.

        Someone who might vote for Johnson or Ron Paul is certainly NOT going to vote for Romney, anyway. Of all people.

    • Romney will win at the very least 3 of the key battleground states along with the historically Republican states thus giving him the electoral vote. I know this much Romney will get the all important state of Ohio. Ohio is my home state and I love it here, I would never leave to go anywhere besides maybe Alaska… Anyway back to the point many Ohioans know all too well that the auto bail-out hasn’t done much in providing jobs. Many of the plants have been shipped oversees. GM’s CEO told Chinese leaders he plans on outsourcing even more plants. So the bail-out, while well-intended, didn’t do much for Ohioans. The other key industries here are coal and gas which Obama’s policies have also burdened. Ohio’s three main industries have suffered because of Obama’s policies(They did try to help the auto industry but to no avail), you really think we’d vote to keep him in office? Ohioans aren’t happy with Obama and you will see that today. My fiends, family, and I sit around watching the polls laughing at them and wondering who exactly is it that they are polling because we know all to well that we along with everyone we know are voting Romney.

      • Ohio:

        That’s what’s wrong with the country. You and all your friends only know what you and all your friends know.

        People who disagree with you can’t imagine HOW you think that way, because THEY and ALL of their friends think the other way.

        That’s why a site like this is valuable. Some people are willing to consider the viewpoints of others, and while we don’t agree, we no longer feel that there must be only ONE way to think–because ALL of our friends are just like us.

      • Ohio:

        It’s not good enough to say “Ohio and two others.” You have to commit to WHICH two. Otherwise, it’s just blather.

  4. Unless you VOTE for Gary Johnson — we won’t have an Election, but puppet Selection!

    You want a prediction — here is an APODICTIC one:

    The American People LOOSE, regardless which one of these two puppets (Barack Hussein or Mormon Mitt) gets “elected”!


  5. I predict that Romney will win — and by a large enough margin that we won’t have a repeat of 2000 — that is, he’ll win decisively enough in enough states to give him the needed electoral votes.

    Wouldn’t it be interesting if Romney did win the popular vote, but Obama won the electoral vote? I wonder if those liberal states who have already passed National popular vote laws (but which aren’t yet binding because not enough states have passed them) would reconsider the wisdom of such a law, as I’m quite sure their supporters didn’t ever imagine it would work AGAINST a Democrat.

    But, Romney will win, decisively.

    • Marlene:

      Don’t be a WUSS. Tell us HOW and WHERE Romney could win. Enough cheerleading. Talk about how he could possibly win.

      As for the Electoral College, I think it’s a good thing, and always have. Without it, the candidates would go ONLY to the big states and ignore Wisconsin, Virginia, and other states that are getting attention now.

      Romney has focused on tiny New Hampshire, for crying out loud.

      • Goethe Behr — Mormon Mitt can win Ohio…since his family owns the voting machines there…(that’s a “how”).

    • Wanda:

      Not good enough. This thread is about telling **HOW** the candidate will win–not just cheerleading. Put some thought into it, girl.

    • Just Say NO to Rmoney — VOTE for ANYONE but Mormon Mitt!

      Keep Mitt’s mittens off of the White House — or face An American Tragedy!

      The Mormons stripped the richest man in the world, Howard Hughes, not only of his life, but his entire fortune (that is how the Mormons got financial power to jump start their cult)!

      Now another Mormon wants to do the same to our entire Nation!
      And his 5 Mormon Sons are waiting in line to finish US off!

      *Vote FOR Gary Johnson* — Do NOT vote for Mormon Mitt (or Barack Hussein) the lesser of two evils!

  6. Mitt Rmoney — buys successful American companies and then destroys them with Debt he created for his OWN Profit (and fires American workers)!

    What a business model to apply to all American People, if he gets into the White House!

    Mitt Rmoney — an American Destroyer — DO NOT VOTE FOR him!

  7. True anti-Americanism is disrespecting someone’s beliefs. The idea that the Mormons are trying to destroy a nation is ridiculous, absurd, and downright disrespectful. They as a religion were pushed to Salt Lake City, Utah by presidents who ordered them around the country. Yet, they didn’t fight, they obeyed, and founded a successful religion based on family values, high morals, and respect for one another- something many of you don’t possess. They have helped to take care of victims of disasters time and time again.

    In regards to those of you voting for Gary Johnson- nice ideals, but welcome to reality. He isn’t going to win- you’re throwing away votes that could be used to defeat Barack Obama.

    My prediction? I honestly don’t know. It depends on who shows up to vote Tuesday- we can only hope it will be those who are informed.

    • Marcia:

      This is not a cheerleading thread. Take off your plaid skirt and think, girl.

      Nate asked us to do our predictions of who will win, but what he really wants to know is **HOW**.

      If you think Willard will win, explain to us which states he could possibly win to get to 270 Electoral votes.

      • Goethe Behr — these are all Rmoney shills (Marlene, Marcia, Wanda, etc.) probably the same individual posting “hurrays” for Mormon Mitt, the American Destroyer!

        Instead of responding to such, post RAZOR SHARP INVALIDATION to the wannabe despots of America — Mitt the Mormon, and his tag-teammate, Barack the Hussein…LOL!

        • Surfisher:

          This thread was supposed to be all about arithmetic and our personal forecasts. Up to this point, I’m the only one who has done what Nate asked.

          So I am just asking the Lady Rombots to explain **HOW** Willard could possibly win, instead of cheerleading mindlessly.

          • Goethe Behr — you are assuming the Rmoneybots can do arithmetic….

            A simile:

            That’s like asking the BO if his IQ is smaller, or the same, as the size of your shoe….

        • Terry:

          No, we will NOT see in a few hours, since you clearly are incapable of following directions.

          This thread was supposed to be about predicting the outcome–and **HOW** the candidate racked up the states he needed.

          While flipping your cheerleader skirt may have worked in high school, it doesn’t do the job here. The question is–WHICH states will make the difference.


  8. I predict that North Carolina and Florida will go for Romney and all other swing states will go for Obama.
    This will give Obama 305 Electoral votes and Romney 235.

          • Nate: Great.

            Looking at the map again, it’s amazing that Obama will carry Lincoln’s states, except that Lincoln lost Deleware and Maryland (11 electoral votes) and won Indiana and Iowa (17 electoral votes).

            (At that time, Indiana had not yet slipped into the Deep South.)

      • NATE: OH, WAIT. YEAH. THAT’S WHAT I MEANT–303 Electorals!! Oh, well, I tried.

        Although, it looks like it will be 333 after Florida is settled. (A lot better than the 666 we would have gotten if Willard had won.)

        Anyway, it looks like Elmer Bray gets the FREE BENTLEY you promised for being “closest without going over.” Now, then, can I be the to tell him that “shipping and handling” cost is $200,000?

  9. God,Country,Family in this order come first.Obama doesn’t give a flip about God,country,or his extended family.He has done zero good for America,What he has done is put us six trillion in debt,in less than four years,stuffed Obama care down our throats.I could go on and on,whats the use,Mitt Romney will win ,he will turn this country around.By the way I am not a cheerleader,I am a wife,mother,grandmother.

    God Bless The USA !!!!!!

    • Wanda:


      When Obama entered office, the economy was in total chaos. Panic. Just like 1929.

      Compare him to Herbert Hoover. That crash started just a few months AFTER he started his term, so the comparison is quite applicable.

      Under Hoover, unemployment went from 3% to 25%. Under Obama, unemployment did go up a bit (less than under Reagan), but it is already back under 8%.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      Look at the stock market. Under Hoover, the stock market lost 90% (NINETY PERCENT) of its value in his term. Under Obama, the market fall stopped ONE month after he took office, and has DOUBLED in value since then–back to record territory.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      Look at corporate profits. Under Hoover, profits continued to drop. Under Obama, Fortune 500 profits reached RECORD ALL-TIME HIGHS–easily beating the previous record set in boom year 2006.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      Two presidents tried to get bin Laden. Romney said he didn’t much care. But Obama got him.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      Whether you like it or not, Obamacare is almost identical to Romneycare and various other Republican plans–including the “universal mandate” that Obama didn’t really want. But he became the first president since Teddy Roosevelt who tried to get it.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      He officially ended the use of torture, ended the war in Iraq, and ended the “stop loss” program that abused our troops, and although I’m not happy about it, he doubled the military budget from Bush’s average of $450 billion/year to an average of $900 billion/year.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      Despite Congress’ efforts to thwart him, he expanded housing vouchers for homeless veterans, increased the VA budget, and made the VA budget a “must pass” legislation.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      He supported “Internet neutrality,” removed restrictions on Americans to visit their families in Cuba, extended the “Bush era” tax cuts, extended the marriage penalty fixes, extended child tax credits, reversed restrictions on stem cell research, and supported keeping airline service in small towns, and ended “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” which the military says is a great success.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      He increased small business investmetn expensing limit to $250k, expanded loan programs to small business, created an international tax haven watch list, protected intellectual property abroad, reformed the patent system, and supported regional innovation clusters.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      He required coverage of pre-existing conditions, allowed young people to stay on their parents’ policies into their 20s, closed the donut hole in Medicare, and extended unemployment and temporary assistance benefits.

      I wouldn’t call that “doing nothing.”

      He established a credit-card bill of rights, capped interest on payday loans and required improved disclosure, supported commercial access to space, fully funded the Violence Against Women Act, worked to overturn Ledbetter vs. Goodyear, worked to attract more students into science and math, increased teacher mentoring programs, and created new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud.

      You may not like some of these efforts, but I wouldn’t call them “doing nothing.”

  10. A total of only FIVE posters presented their forecast of who will in **AND HOW**.

    We have had hundreds of people on here at one time or another. Can’t we get anyone else to tell **WHAT STATES** your candidate will win?? Or are the “cheerleaders” unable to comprehend the Electoral College??


    Nate: Considering that we only have hours, I wonder if you shouldn’t break precedent and REPOST this one, to see if we can get at least a few more predictions??? I know I have a better chance of winning one of Ann Romney’s Cadillacs, which you offered to the one who comes closest to the winning number, but hey, I’m willing to share the chance.

    • I’ll make a mention of this post in my “live results” post scheduled to drop at midnight. I’d consider this “open” until 7pm et Tuesday. Anything submitted after that time doesn’t count.

      Cadillac? I’m sure you meant Bentley. If I were in that tax bracket I’d have some Cadillacs as backups in case my nicer vehicle was in the shop. Ann has graciously agreed to provide one given my status as an influential member of the media.

      • Nate: Well, I should think it’s the least she could do. I mean a Cadillac here or there wouldn’t be missed. Although I understand that she needs two as medical therapy. Separation complex, you know.

        Sadly, we will not have her to kick around anymore after tomorrow, since she put Willard on notice that she is NOT going through this sh*t ever again. And my impression is that he jumps when the lady speaks, which is why he is always sort of dancing around like a chihuahua.

    • If Mormon Mitt gets into the White House — he’ll start purges against Ron Paul’s supporters to make comrade Stalin proud.

  11. VOTE GARY JOHNSON — or see our Nation END 2012!

    Just Say NO to Rmoney — VOTE for ANYONE but Mormon Mitt!

    Keep Mitt’s mittens off of the White House — or face An American Tragedy!

    The Mormons stripped the richest man in the world, Howard Hughes, not only of his life, but his entire fortune (that is how the Mormons got financial power to jump start their cult)!

    Now another Mormon wants to do the same to our entire Nation!
    And his 5 Mormon Sons are waiting in line of a Rmoney Dynasty to finish US off!

    *Vote FOR Gary Johnson* — Do NOT vote for Mormon Mitt (or Barack Hussein) the lesser of two evils!

    • Thomas:

      Cripes, that’s a stretch. You’re counting Maine AND Michigan AND Wisconsin for Romney??

      As Michigander, I find that insulting. We know the Romney family. Look at a picture of George, and you see a self-made man who worked his way up from WELFARE to become president of American Motors. His smile says, “I’m open and excited about life, and I want to hear all about you.”

      Now look at a picture of Willard, and his face says, “I’m privileged. I’m ENTITLED. Thanks to who I know, I get what I want, and I can’t really speak freely, because when I do, I reveal who I really am.”

      George and Willard could NOT be more diametrically opposed. And we SEE that in Michigan, and we don’t like it.

      And if we take back Maine, Michigan, and Wisconsin from your map, that gives the election to Obama.

      • Well, I don’t say Romney is great candidate by any stretch of the imagination. However, he is the only viable candidate who might possibly win this election other than Obama. And, as I mentioned, Obama is a socialist who has sworn to uphold the Constitution but has not done so. So, Americans should not, in good conscience, vote for him. He shouldn’t even be on the ballot, having been impeached for pushing Obamacare, instituting a bill which allows the government to arrest citizens without a warrant, refusing to uphold federal law, and invoking executive privilege on documents necessary for finding out the facts about Fast and Furious.
        Do I like Romney? Not particularly, but who else do you vote for who could POSSIBLY defeat Obama and the liberals?

        • Thomas:

          I’m just saying you’re dreaming. Romney is NOT going to win Michigan, and I doubt that he has a shot at Wisconsin or Ohio.

          That doesn’t mean he couldn’t win–states like Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada are possible for Romney, and that’d be enough.

  12. Surfisher-
    It’s unbelievable and wrong for you to judge a person simply based on their religion. Our founders came from many diverse religious backgrounds, and they still had enough patriotism to work together and create this country. Ben Franklin was as atheist, for crying out loud. Look at the record, look at where someone stands on an issue, take into account their religion, but don’t just judge them based solely on it.

  13. Goethe Behr-
    You are absolutely right about Obama doing a lot while in office. The problem is that it has been in the wrong direction. For example, Obama should not even be allowed to run now. He should have been impeached after pushing the unconstitutional Obamacare bill.

    • So you’re telling me the Obamacare bill is unconstitutional? My dad, a 40 year old Air Force veteran, has a back disability called Ankylosing Spondylitis. It’s where his spine grows together and eventually it will grow together completley. He has swelling and is in a ton of back pain. He can’t work, leaving only my mom. She runs ads for a local newspaper. It doesn’t pay too well. I am 15, so I can’t work and I have an 11 year old sister, plus my aunt lives with us. If Obamacare wouldn’t have come into play, my sister and I wouldn’t be able to go to the doctor because we wouldn’t have enough money, and we’d have to pay $16,000 every 6 weeks for my dad’s back treatment which slows the process down and reduces the pain. Obamacare has done alot for my family. My family is voting Obama 2012 and if I were old enough to vote, I would be too.

      • Well, I definitely won’t argue that you aren’t experienced at 15, though that may be the case. In any case, just because something is helpful in certain respects does not mean it isn’t Constitutional. The Constitution is blind to people’s individual needs. That is what charity is for.

        • Thomas:

          Karah is right on this one. We live in a society of laws, and those laws are interpreted by judges. Once the judges rule, that IS the law of the land.

          It’s as if you are a substitute football official. You see a ball caught by two guys. You call it a completed pass, but the other official called it an interception, the instant replay shows that it was an interception. But you call it a touch down. You are the official, and it doesn’t matter that you were wrong–your judgment stands, right?

          Same with Obamacare. The Supreme Court ruled. You may not like the ruling, but the Supreme Court says it’s constitutional, and like it or not, that means that it IS constitutional.

      • And, by the way, you still have to pay for insurance under Obamacare, which you would have to do anyway. The cost isn’t a whole lot different, plus you make it up in extra taxes to pay for Obamacare.

      • I Agree With You On All That You Said Karah Wilson And You Are Very Smart For A 15 Year old Its Some Adults that Need To To Be Better Educated On What Obama Care Is All About But They Are Blinded By His Name Being There That They Don’t See What It Is Really There For .. OBAMA ALL THE WAY IN 2012

        • Thomas:
          I am very educatued for my age. It seems to be that you need to be the one who needs to do some growing up. Just because it doesn’t effect you, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t help someone else out a whole lot more. And we don’t need any “charity.” The cost is different when you don’t have to pay $16,000 because it’s free with Obamacare. My family will have more money to pay the insurance with it. Oh. My dad got his SS Disability. I bet you wanna tell me that all he does is sit on his ass all day and leeches the taxpayer’s money. The Republican Party, sans-Ron Paul, has become a fascist force.

  14. Ohio goes to Romney as does Indiana and Pennsylvania.

    My husband has been tracking the early voting and Obama is down considerably compared to the 2008 numbers.

    Obama has alienated 4 major groups of people:

    1. The military
    2. The medical profession 66% of all M.D.’s are AGAINST Obamacare (as it is written). They haven’t
    been too vocal about it, because many of the institutions that they work at were promised money
    too offset the pain of medicare cuts.
    3. The religious right: Evangelicals; Catholics; Mormons & Southern Baptists
    4. Oil and coal people. Obama approved the southern part of the keystone pipeline, but not the northern
    part, so the project is now going to China. People are mad as hornets in coal country and have signs
    that read “Save Coal, Fire Obama.”

    But as the pundits and wonks like to say: IT IS ALL ABOUT THE TURNOUT FOLKS! With that said, I am leaving now to vote for Mitt.

    • ?

      Oh, I get it. Ashton KUTCHER, right?

      I’m being punk’d, right?

      You had me goin’ there for a minute, because I thought you were saying something.

  15. – Sorry for foul language in this post. SO BEWARE.

    Here is the thing Romney is making the middle and low class pay more taxes, TF? They say rich people shouldn’t have to pay taxes cause they work their ass off every day, see this is how it really is:

    The majority of the rich people got rich by financial loopholes, not hard work. Tell me how it’s fair that a CEO of a company gets paid more money than I do in 5 years in one day? That’s not hard work. 5 years is hard work, one day is not.
    The more money you have, the more you should pay. Don’t like it? Don’t have so much money.

    And Mitt Romney says he will have the economy fixed in 8-10 years. Man that prick win’t gonna probably be in office in 8 years so shut the hell up MITT!
    Honestly I don’t like neither of them, but I ‘d rather have Obama before Romney.
    Most people are voting for Romney cause he is white. BEING WHITE DOESN’T MEAN A DAMN THING! It’s the thing “ARE YOU GOING TO FIX AMERICA!” And I think the lower class and middle class shouldn’t have to pay taxes the rich people should! And honestly, one more thing, The middle and lower class work their ass more then the rich do. I would know because I am in the middle class. I ain’t no rich stuck up prick like most of those people out there. Also Romney is making us pay a lot more for college. Make college more expensive. We can’t hardly pay for college already. He is trying to make gay people and gay marriage illegal EVERYWHERE IN AMERICA!

    Now who agree’s with me! WHO WANTS OBAMA MORE THAN ROMNEY!

    • I along with many many other people are voting for Romney because he possesses the education, experience, and general know-how to get us moving in the right direction. Honestly I’m sick and tired of hearing this type of racist whining. If Obama was the best candidate people would vote for him. Your statements show just how much you don’t know. Nobody is making this about race except black people. Really it is time people take responsibility for themselves instead of crying racism when criticized for their shortcomings. Does bush have blame for where we are? Of course but so do many other people in Washington including Obama. Obama spends his time pointing the finger at whoever fits the bill to be thrown under the bus instead of getting things done. 4 years ago we elected a black president so get over this notion that he won’t be re-elected because America is racist. That thinking is wrong and stupid. Have some maturity. Obama is a documented liar and has only accomplished two things since being elected: health care reform and the stimulus which no republicans agree with either one. Where’s this bipartisan leadership he promised in 2008? Obama’s foreign policy is a joke, why else do you think the percentage of our military, who have firsthand knowledge, is in the high 90s for Romney?

      • Mommy:

        You have to make sure you “reply” to the right person, and it’s better if you address the person by name, as I did here.

        As it is, it looks like you’re going to great length to trash Hawar.

        As for military support, this must be another case of “all my friends think so.” I have seen no poll of the military that gives Romney that high a percentage. Even the Romney Rags don’t go that high.

        Military Times’ headline is 2-1, which is still a lot, of course, but I did find it interesting that they don’t support Romney by as much as they supported McCain four years ago.

        And on the question of “CHARACTER,” the military respects Obama more–by a two-to-one ratio.

    • Hawar:

      Percentage doesn’t matter. I am forecasting that Romney wins the popular vote, but Obama takes the prize.

      We want to know WHICH STATES you think they’ll win.

  16. A great man said a man should be judge by the content of his character, Mitt Romney was a bully in high school when he was with Bain capitol he shipped jobs to China and made $1million of the deal he has swiss bank accounts, he doesnt care about 47% of Americans and he believes that there should be no goverment assistance for the little people leave them out to thrive for themselves, on the other hand Obama was a community leader and believes in equality for all and has spent most of his life fighting for 100% of americans…. Obama 4 more years (it not about black or white,mormon or catholic or christin,gay or straight, not one or the other but all americans have the right to opportunity we should care about one another and respect one another believe in yourself and your country and give our president the credit he deserves, He decisions as president has save the country from depression, brought back the auto industry, provideded the opportunity for health care to all, brought justice to the victims of 911 and kept our country safe, he has fought for all of us , how dare we show lack of appreciation

  17. British news site, Business Insider makes an interesting point today. They say that Fox did more harm than good by beating anti-Obama stories to death (especially Benghazi). Since other media knew they wouldn’t get a detail first—they didn’t try.

    Worse—it made Fox clearly an advocate for Romney. SO when Chris Wallace simply asked if Romney’s “Jeep” claim was a mistake— a “softball” question—Romney’s people were unprepared to answer and changed the subject. And so, even a simple question made Fox look like they were turning on him.

    But to me, Fox did the most damage by just overdoing everything. It turned Fox viewers into maniacs—overly strident and hate filled. So many independents were as turned off in 2012 as they were turned off by the Bush-hate of 2004.


    Today, 11-09-2012, Ron Paul speaks out against all the evils that we are now facing!

    Watch this 30 minutes video and spread it like wild fire!

    (No longer encumbered by having to choose his words, while running for the presidency, Ron Paul NOW speaks his mind — AND ALL SHOULD LISTEN)!

    Mark my words — freed from the confines of playing the NECESSARY TACTICAL Game in the chase of getting elected — Ron Paul will NOW have a much greater impact in reaching all people!

    There cannot be a debate that Ron Paul is the Greatest TRUE AMERICAN of the 21st Century!

    And NOW, his words will reach even greater audiences that will DELIVER HIS MESSAGE OF THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT as our Nation further slides into Poverty and Despotism by the Criminals that are In Power of Our Government Today!

    Watch this video from minute 33:23 till 58:49!

    (Huckster Alex Jones is tolerable — since Ron Paul is talking)

  19. Principles we must stand by!

    “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….” Thomas Jefferson

    “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

    “Freedom is not merely the opportunity to do as one pleases; neither is it merely the opportunity to choose between set alternatives. Freedom is, first of all, the chance to formulate the available choices, to argue over them — and then, the opportunity to choose.” C. WRIGHT MILLS

    “When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.” DOROTHY THOMPSON

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.”—Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” EDMUND BURKE

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN

    “We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
    But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.” — Written in a letter by then former President Theodore Roosevelt on January 3, 1919 to the president of the American Defense Society.

  20. Ron Paul: You’re Not FREE if you Can’t Secede from an Oppressive Government

    “In a free country, governments derive their power from the consent of the governed. When the people have very clearly withdrawn their consent for a law, the discussion should be over. If the Feds refuse to accept that and continue to run roughshod over the people, at what point do we acknowledge that that is not freedom anymore? At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government? And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free?”

    Spread this 4 minute message like wildfire!

    My Take:

    The District of Columbia (Washington, DC) — where the White House and all Federal Governmental Agencies reside — have passed the point by their anti-American-anti-Constitution ACTIVITIES that they have FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be called the USA. De facto, THEY have already SECEDED from the Union by constitutional default, and any State that wants to secede from THEM is a State that wants to RETURN BACK to the original CONSTITUTIONAL USA!

  21. *I Dreamt of Free America* (a friend of mine that escaped the Soviet Block in 1968 asked me to post this for him):

    “I lived in a Communist Country that was totalitarian. In the morning I woke up to TV news that told me how great our Socialist Government was, then read the same in their newspapers, while waiting in line for bread. I was then 16 years old.

    My parents went to work before the break of dawn, and came home exhausted each day after 7pm. The meager dinners we had were the best of times — my parents taught me not to believe the lies the communists told, but to dream that there is a truly FREE COUNTRY called America, where we’ll all try to escape to someday!

    School I hated — it was six days a week back then — and all they taught us was how great our socialist leaders were, and how wonderful the world would be once Communism is achieved.

    Every other Sunday, my parents and I (just like all our neighbors) had to attend in a basement the local Commissar’s mandatory gathering. Here, all had to pledge allegiance to our Socialist Republic, and have us tell on neighbors and friends who might be an Enemy of the State. The Commissar always made a patriotic call that ANY CHILDREN, that have seen or heard, their parents say something against the State MUST report them, since that is how our country would be saved from internal foes.

    I’m sadden to recall that there were a few children that reported their own parents (these children did get an extra allowance of candy, AND THE RARE Chocolate bar…and we envied them, since Chocolate was an unheard of luxury back then), but next time we never saw their parents….

    But I loved my parents and respected them — and no Chocolate bar could ever replace them.

    We did escape in 1968 — and came to Freedom, the Greatest Country in the World back then, the USA!

    My parents died in the 1980’s, and I no longer mourn them — because I’m happy they did not live to see what this nation has become!”

    “Right now our USA is no different than the communist country I escaped from over 40 years ago!

    Please, do not let my tale die with me.”

  22. Illegal Everything…in America!

    re: John Stossel (from FOX News)— spread this video like Wildfire, showing that nearly All our Liberties are GONE!

    It is estimated that over 1/2 Billion Negative Laws, Rules and Regulations have been created by the Federal Government in the last 40 years.

    This number is STAGGERING — More NEGATIVE LAWS than there are Americans (counting all men, women and children in the USA) TELLING US WHAT WE CANNOT DO (thus negative laws) upon the THREAT Of GOVERNMENTAL PUNISHMENT!

    All these UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS are enforced by gun-totting UNIFORMS — if you have not run afoul of such, try selling Lemonade on our lawn…and see how many gun-toting Uniforms will come to shut you down by the threat of their guns they so proudly wear!

    Some are awakening to the fact that Our Citizens have become the most government controlled peoples on this Planet today!

    These Few Enlightened Citizens, these Brave Patriots, these pure Souls in search of TRUE Justice and Liberty for All, have started petitions in all 50 States to Secede from the Federal Government that by its anti-Constitutional and anti-American ACTIVITIES has FORFEITED THE RIGHT to be called the USA.

    The goal of the Secession Petitions is not to break away from the Union, but to negate the Unconstitutional Powers that Washington, DC has usurped for their own anti-American interests, and return ALL States to the Original (Organic) US Constitution!

    It is shameful that the Main Stream Media, and their parroting, brainless shills, have such fear of the Truth, and are spreading false and silly accusations to this American Principle — Secession (if we did not Secede from Tyrannical England, we would not be called Americans)!

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