Following the first Presidential debate between President Obama and Governor Romney, the consensus seems to be that the Governor did a lot to improve his standing while the President seemed to fall flat on his performance. That being said, historically speaking, it appears that incumbent Presidents often fall prey to the first presidential debate and there are a few reasons why.

Report from USA Today:

It looks like President Obama is the latest to suffer what we’ve called “incumbents opening debate syndrome.”

The criticism of Obama’s performance against Mitt Romney puts him in the company of predecessors Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush.

Like those presidents, Obama “fell victim Wednesday night to high expectations, a short fuse, and a hungry challenger,” writes Ron Fournier in National Journal.

For incumbents, first debates are rare exposure to face-to-face criticism; presidents often come in rusty, and that may well have have been the case with Obama.

The debate format also tends to elevate challengers, putting them on the same plane as sitting presidents.

There’s also the fact that many challengers, including Romney, prepare and perform well.

Presidents also have specific records to defend, not always an easy task in tough economic times; Obama found himself on the defensive throughout the evening in Denver.

In past elections, the debate problems of Carter and the elder Bush played roles in their ultimate defeats.

Reagan and the younger Bush, meanwhile, rallied with stronger performances in subsequent debates, and won re-election.

What was your takeaway? Was President Obama unprepared or was Governor Romney simply ready to bring it?

Predictions for the next debate? Clearly the President will be working hard to ensure his next performance is clean, crisp and more on par with his soaring campaign speeches which fire up his supporters. Romney has a high bar and he’ll need to work just as hard to keep up his delivery.


    • You mean like under the desk fire? Or, in a dark closet feisty? Give me a break. Bill Clinton supporting Obama? Why? He hasn’t had a nice thing to say about Obama until now. Maybe he wants a job.

      • You are incorrect on that point. Clinton (either Clinton) has supported Obama throughout his term, and Bill Clinton has been on media record for the past year not merely defending Obama, but actively promoting the interests of the 99 percent of America.

        Both Barack Obama and Bill Clinton have the same understanding of the problem– supply side delusions like trickledown don’t work, the Job Creators are not creating jobs, and American wealth almost exactly matches the extreme disparity last seen during 1929, with most of it going to a miniscule fraction of taxpayers at the upper end.

        Of course, your obsession with Bill Clinton’s affair apparently was not shaken during the last term of Bush2, when multiple GOP figures were implicated in corruption and/or sexual scandals. It’s a very long list, including Jack Abramoff, Dennis Hastert, Tom Delay…

    • the clintons Ha Ha, bill bashed obama every chance he got,bill must be needing a job, i wish bill was back in office we were alot better off, we do need a change this man is running our country into the ground , i have always been very proud of our country and proudly served in the armed forces , our president is a disgrace, and his wife said herself that she wasnt proud, i hope everyone wakes up and votes this year , we cant take four more years of this

    • he is a disgrace vote him out , try and save what small part of this great country we have left, he is breaking this great place , quite taking care of people that wont take care of themselfs

  1. Its a BIG SHAME that showing respect for your opponent doesn’t pay off these days, poor Mitt Romney who pretends to know everything… he’s so full of himself but he doesn’t see people are DONE with simplistic political tactics from the ’60s.
    It will be a relief if people choose REASON above the Bigmouth. Amen

  2. Willard’s head was packed so full of sound bites, talking points, and catch phrases that it should have exploded! He ended up appearing more aggressive, which is all that the redneck voters seem to understand. On several occasions, the Mittbot started a pre-programmed monologue that sidestepped the question (memories of Sarah Palin). Obama didn’t put on his best performance, but Willard will still never get past his “47%” remark. Lehrer gets a failing grade for his time management, or lack thereof.

    • “Obama didn’t put on his best performance” I agree. He didn’t take this debate seriously. He didn’t want to be there at all. Let’s all vote for a candidate that wants the job and has a plan to put Americans back to work.

      • Debate is not a battle of sound bites, but a comparison of ideas. Instead, Romney regurgitated slogans, many of them factually incorrect on multiple points.

        To those who like the way a candidate looks or sounds, rather than his ideas, this omission of facts does not seem important.

        In terms of national recovery, the recession was bad enough, but the GOP (McConnell) early made clear (2009) it would not cooperate with national recovery under this president. Our surviving four years of GOP-inspired gridlock is a major miracle.

        Here are some points on which Romney prevaricated shamelessly–

        1. When he claimed that “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.” They’re not.

        2. When he said that President Obama had “cut Medicare by $716 billion to pay for Obamacare.” Obama hadn’t.

        3. When he denied proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. He had.

        4. When he said President Obama had “added almost as much to the federal debt as all the prior presidents combined.” Not even close.

        5. When he resurrected “death panels.” That was called “one of the biggest whoppers of the night.”

        6. When he stated that half the green energy companies given stimulus funds had failed. Only if three out of nearly three dozen is half.

  3. Now you are making excuses for our “leaders” poor debate inadequacies. Messiahs are always on their game. Locks like he’s been brought back down to earth. It’s so easy to look like a “gifted” orator when you say the same speech over and over again with teleprompters.

  4. I think Obama was for the first time criticized in a way he is not used to. The media is always on his side. No one has said a bad thing about him. Now the truth comes out. Obama looked stunned. His policies failed, it was pointed out to him by Romney. Plus Obama uses a teleprompter to keep him talking. He can not debate. He needs a teleprompter or he looses it! I think Obama was exposed for who he really is and the country agreed. Many undecided voters even Democrats immediately after the debate chose Romney over Obama. End or an error!

    • I don’t think its that simple . People will decide based on what they consider is important in this election . Debates makes a person think but its not the only driving force behind voter decisions . Obama’s performance was bad . Romney did a good job but finally its all going to be about who can do a “better job” for you .

  5. Obama’s problem was a simple one. No one could have looked good trying to defend his failed policies and lack of leadership. The poor guy can’t simply make promises this time around. He now has to defend his dismal record. His failings were obvious and will continue to be in future debates.

    Now is the time to tell the truth. America is being destroy by the corrupt politicians that for greed of power and money become puppets of the Multinational Corporations and the US financial system. This United States was the world leader in manufacturing and technology, the riches country of the world with job opportunity for every one that want to work, we were a nation of proud people that dare to be humiliate by handouts, because we believe that we can provide for our self and family.
    The demise of our country began with Reagan, he is the one that starter the free trade agreements and the outsourcing of Americans jobs. He demised our manufacturing and created this exodus of millions of Americans jobs to foreign countries, that resulted on the unemployment of millions and the decrease of our wages; the millions that lose their manufacturing jobs was force to take jobs in the service sector making half of the pay of their manufacturing jobs; this economic hardship was the beginning of the end of our economic. Reagan is the one that give amnesty to 3.5 million illegal aliens and set the precedent for this invasion of illegal immigrants that Obama refused to deal with.
    Fellow Americans, please do not ignore our political history, because who’s Really Destroying America, are all the Presidents that followed President Reagan; not one had the vision or the cojones to stop the demise of this United States. On November 6th, we are voting for the burial of this great country, we must face the truth, throughout all these years we were brainwashed by the News media that we have two political parties, the truth is that we have only one political party, the party that work for the elite that control this United States, “The multinational Corporations, the financial system and the huge Bankers that control our economic”.
    Fellow American, you should ask why Obama and Romney do not talk about the millions of factories and American jobs that was lost due to free trade and illegal immigration, why they do not talk about poverty and extreme poverty in America, why they do not want to tell the American people that we are bankrupt and cannot pay for our health care and social service, why they don’t tell the truth about the coming economic collapse of our country and the huge inflation that will come after the election. They are lying to us today and the News Media know the truth but they do not have the cojones to stand for our country, they are more concern about their jobs than the future of our country; they will not expose the traitor that are working to demise our country.
    The evils in this corrupt government must be expose, My personal heroes are the ones that have the courage and exposed the Washington traitors, like Ron Paul, Cynthia McKinney , Maxine Waters and others that really are the representatives of the peoples, they are the ones that are telling the people the truth, that our country is run by an elite syndicate of criminals that work for the insiders makers of the one world order. Americans are brainwashed by the Mainstream News Media, the U.S. News Media is controlled by five corporations that dictated what will be made public in this United States. Obama during the last 4 years forced more than 12 million people into poverty, today the levels of poverty had erased the gains of the last 50 years and this path of impoverishment the American people will continue until we become a third world economic, exploit by the money greedy corporations and the financial system. Democrats and Republicans are the same, there is not difference between them, and they are both supporters of the economic predators the elite of the one world order.
    Wake up! America; the tragic and sad truth is that we are all at fault as Americans, especially those who continue to willingly believe the media and White House lies. We must hold the traitors accountable for their actions, they made the laws that deprive us of our jobs and future, they are the ones that made us and our future generations economic slaves by expending 12 trillion in support of the interest of the corporations and the financial system, Bush and Obama had done nothing but contributed to the demise of our country and hide the real truth in the mane of national security and best interest of the American people.
    Fellow Americans now is the time to force the truth out of these politicians, or make them accountable for what is coming. You decide what you want for your future, freedom or economic slavery and extreme poverty.
    Posted by, Juan Reynoso – Freedom fighter. [email protected]

    • From my opinion, you are not as awake as you think you are. Obama is a light worker and he has been fighting with the representatives of the riches who tried to stop everything he wanted to do since he was in the office. If you badmouth him, you are helping a true devil.

  7. Funny how the liberal press calls foul when a poll doesn’t go their way. High time Americans start deciding for themselves instead of taking Obama’s and the Media’s word for it.

    • High time to stop watching Faux News, waiting for it to reinforce your notion of a liberal media. That is a long-discredited idea, but still used by those who want GOP bozos to stop thinking for themselves.

      For example, GOP dominates talk radio, Faux News claims to have significant eyeshare, GOP is well-represented in print and on the web, GOP websites are everywhere.

      Polls are fair game, of course, but facts are required to make the criticism. If facts can be established and full context and logic used to evaluate them, that is likely to lead to fair criticism.

      For example, CNN used a new portable device during the debates by which debate viewers could register approval or disapproval in real-time. When Romney said how much he liked the “free enterprise system”, his meter rating peaked, although Romney had said nothing specific about any policy.

      Clearly, if enough GOP voters crowd the theater early (and crowd out later arrivals who are not GOP), that is unprofessional sampling by CNN and definitely not representative of anything but GOP deceit.

  8. I think President Obama did an excellent job in articualting the truth. He did not have to make up LIES and flip-flop to impress other like Mittens had to do!! I certainly hope smart, intelligent folks won’t start drinking the purple kool-aid and follow a full of himself, blowheart, nutcase like Mittens!!

    • Just what i am saying !!!
      Whatever people may say or think here, at the end of the day, nothing but RESPECT for mr. President and how he handled things… Romney is only a lot of humbug and a waist of skin.

    • If that performance is “excellent” in your opinion, you don’t have a very high standard for excellence. Even Michael Moore took President Obama to task for his lackluster performance.

      • Michael Moore does everything for money, he can tell you the nicest story’s while he’s thinking ‘how do i fill my pockets quickly???’ One year Moore is a die hard- democrat, next year he was probably republican all his life…doesn’t that make you think??? The ONLY REASON why he’s making some noise is to sell books or dvd’s, sorry to ruin your nice dreams about Michael Moore, put his name into google and you will see.

  9. Talk, talk, talk, these two birds have a track record and said records suck. Why either one of them is one stage is beyond belief. If the voters elect either of these two shysters they deserve just what they get.

  10. Our President was articulate and factual without slogging his smarmy, smirking and entitled opponent. Respect is earned here by his taking the high road.
    But now, let’s take the gloves off and not forget the 47%.

    • There’s a simple reason President Obama didn’t mention the “47%” Because, if he did Governor Romney would remind every small business owner in the nation that they didn’t build their business – the government did. The president’s gaffes and especially the vice presidents gaffes are far worse. They know it, and so they won’t go down that road.

      • Yet again. . .

        When Obama said “you didn’t build that,” he was talking about the infrastructure that businesses need in order to succeed.

  11. Watched debate on C-span and another screen on Democracy now coverage. Obama played “ROPE A DOPE”,
    Allowed Romney to fire off use his ammunition, Obama, laying bck= Rope a dope. Then comes Pinnochio RYAN verses Blow back JOE
    2nd debate, mop up on vice president debate!
    But the 3rd ROUND OBAMA RATH, knocks out Romney.
    end of the day TKO Obama.

    • Peter, that is a very nice way of downplaying the miserable job that President Obama did last night. I’m sure he would also like to believe that it was strategic. Alas, it wasn’t. He simply was outsmarted and out-maneuvered. That’s the whole point of a debate, to catch people off guard and see how they defend themselves. Without the media lackeys singing his praises, without the ever-present teleprompter, without the experience that a great president should have, he simply wasn’t up to the challenge.

  12. Hey Peter, you’re a stupid b-stard. It was Obama that got roped and doped by Romney. Obama couldn’t figure any way to rebut Romney to save his life. You are piece of trash subhuman liberal vermin.

    • Gerald:

      You obviously don’t know what the term means. As I noted in the previous thread, it is possible that Obama was using Mohammed Ali’s technique called “rope-a-dope,” in which you take repeated body blows to tire out your opponent, and then attack after he’s exhausted.

      So, apparently, YOU are the “stupid b-stard.”

      • Mr. Behr, thank you for your public service. You already have noted the GOP bozos indicate when they have been roped sufficiently– they resort to primal screams and primary school epithets. (Recall the “Tea Party” demonstrations by people who shouted quotes from a Jefferson they never had read.)

        These Mad Hatters would rather cover themselves with a smokescreen of emotion than win an argument– a microcosm of the Romney approach to debate. As The Romney’s advisors told him, it is more convincing to smile when making a claim. Of course, the bigger the lie, the bigger the smile.

      • one problem…romney didn’t get tired and obama never attacked…or at least not more than a couple left jabs

    • Gerald, why do you need to be so vulgar? Don’t you have common decency?

      7 out of 8 polls put Obama as the winner. You can’t debate a compulsive liar. Doesn’t matter how “smooth” Mittens was, he was lying through his teeth. Now, did Obama do a great job, no I don’t believe he did. President Obama was frustrated with Mitt and his lies…anyone would be. I feel he should have been more aggressive in calling out Mitt on his lies.

  13. Debates, polls, and speculations aside, regardless of Obama’s monumental failure and lack of leadership, he will easily be re-elected {by a comfortable margin} by those socialist-minded minorities whose minds were made up a long, long time ago. Entitlements and social programs are their incentives.

  14. Mittens is slick & slippery! Suddenly he is the middle classes best friend? I doubt people will fall for this! Clinton started the health care reform and Obama needs 2 finish it. Health care is a universal right & it is currently controlled by powerfull insurance companies who deny a lot of claims 2 save money! They would rather have u die so u are off their list! Health care and who can afford it should be a central issue especially if u are over 55!

    • Sharon, are you actually serious here. Health care has been a universal right, hence the reason you could not be sent away from an emergency room and there are still free clinics. Health insurance is not a universal right. Furthermore, which is it you have to decide are the health insurance companies greedy companies that just want money or do they want you to die. Bear in mind on deciding that, if you die you would no longer be paying premiums which would have a negative impact on their profits. Health care has not been fixed by Obama, and was not fixed by Clinton. If you really want to fix it we need more doctors, since our population in the last 100 years has increased by 216% but doctors have only increase by 27%. Also you may want to look at the WHO world health statistics all of those other countries with socialized health care had their costs rise by between 120% and 240% between 2001 and 2009 in contrast ours only rose by 75% over those same years. Be sure when you look at that though you see that each of those countries also have twice the doctors, nurses and hospital beds compared to us.

    • Such typical liberal hypocrisy. You don’t mind using a disparaging name for Governor Romney. But, I’m sure you’re all in a tizzy when other’s say barack HUSSEIN obama. And, yes, people will fall for all of Governor Romney’s messages – whether true or not. How do you think we ended up with President Obama? Liberals don’t want to hear the truth any more than conservatives. They just want to have their way.

      • wow. Since that particular “nickname” is meant to imply a racist undertone, I can’t imagine why a liberal would have a problem with that, and not with calling a right-wing candidate after a winter accessory.

  15. Obama was off his game.

    The errors he made were unforced. It wasn’t like Romney pulled some trick out of the bag that Obama’s team didn’t see coming. Obama was stuttering and stammering over lines he should have rehearsed a dozen times.

    • Ryan:

      Maybe it’s because Obama has a “day job,” and the most difficult one in the world, at that.

      Romney has not had a job for FIVE years. Suppose he’s had a little time on his hands?

      • It is really sad people like you have the right to vote. Ok, so you proved you’re not racist by voting for Obama the first time. Now, prove you’re not an idiot by not voting for him this time. What will it take for you to open your eyes and see the horrible state he has put our country in? Not to mention he has no respect for our nation’s security! Obama has not proven he deserves to be the President another term. Could you work somewhere 4 years, put the company in the toilet, go up for review and stay employed? I don’t think so! He is a total narcissist! AND he need to quite going on all these dumb talk show– doesn’t he have A LOT more important things to do!

        • Jennifer, you have a short memory. President Obama was handed a real mess by the last Republican president-W Bush. It took 8 years under Bush to get as bad as it did, & everyone expected President Obama to fix it in 6 mos, or he had failed. After the last debacle under a Republican president, why would anyone think another one would do any better. Live & Learn!

      • having that day job should make him that much more prepared. he’s the one with the experience right?

  16. Obama did alright. Ramney has put all his cards on the table. Now the President will call him his bluff. The president is going to ask Mitt how (in detail), is he going to promote these policies that he talked about last night. It’s called chess.

  17. It’s easier for the new candidate when the job inherited was full of garbage left by the predecessor. All Romney had to do was say there you haven’t fixed the worst recession in American history ranked lower only to the Great One. Six weeks after entering office Bill O’Reilly criticized the president for not having fixed the problems. It’s been six weeks how long does he need he said scornfully. Romney has nothing to lose by saying he won’t lower rich taxpayer bills more when he has congress to bring it up for him. Or he could just lie. To say Obamacare won’t work because states ought to run their Medicaid and health insurance policies independently is outrageous. Transfer federal tax revenue to the states and that qualifies as a fix? That’s a joke. We are floundering in debt from two wars and all Romney wants to do is bomb Iran, talk down to everyone, tell off China and raise the taxes for the Pentagon. Well he’s running for office. He’s not there. And Reagan recall promised lower taxes and reneged over and over. Unfortunately for Obama he came off as weak and tired and for his loyal supporters we remain dismayed and disappointed. But what can you do with a guy like Romney who just throws out lines like they are true. Obama has to call him out on his revenue neutral tax policies. It isn’t enough to repeat the problem. He has to emphasize what the issue is with the policies Romney wants. Otherwise it’s onto the evangelical states of America. Close the EPA, the Federal Reserve, grant immunity and full power to Wall Street and shut down the public school system and buy yourself a cross.

  18. Romney kept repeating the 700+ billion in lost benefits and savings in Medicare but that is wrong. The money represents savings by the government not lost benefits from providers.

  19. I watched the whole thing. I fail to see where Obama fell flat. Or how in hades anyone in this nation can actually take Romney seriously. As usual Romney looked like a stoned deer in the headlights and talked like the sociopathic elitist he is. Not one thing he says can be counted on. Romney failed to disclose where he was going to close the loopholes and tax deductions to raise revenues. Could be the household deductions all across the board. I expect to see that tactic and many others should Romney be voted in. And with Ryan in there with him, it’s likely what’s left of a social conscience in this nation will be very ceremoniously murdered.

    R&R is nothing but ratgut whiskey. Our nation is already too deep in trouble over addictions, we don’t need to vote in the Cartel Patsy.

  20. President Obama lost the debate because he hasn’t done a good job for the past four years. He was deferential to Governor Romney just as he has been deferential to international leaders. That’s what the world loves about Obama, he doesn’t intimidate them – at all. They want him to be president because they know they can run rough-shod all over our country. Romney poses a real threat because he’ll stand up to them. As for Obama supporters in the US? There is simply no excuse. Supporting Obama is hypocrisy.

    • Chris, At least Obama doesn’t make every country mad. Romney went to England, made them mad, went to Israel, mad them mad, went to Poland, made them mad. then wednesday night he made Spain angry because he singled them out of all the European countries in a bad economy. This is his Foreign Policy??

      • hahaha…how dare romney speak the truth about spain…he simply says it to keep us from making the same moves. i’d rather say the truth and piss off spain…he’s just putting the U.S. interests above the feelings of spain… how dare he (sarcasm)

  21. Sharon Federation:
    “Health care is a universal right & it is currently controlled by powerfull insurance companies who deny a lot of claims 2 save money!”

    So how does forcing everyone in the country to buy health insurance from these “powerfull insurance companies” going to make the situation better?

  22. After last nights “debate” I can now get to the bottom of the problem. Romney is lousy presidential material, but an excellent huckster who will say whatever it takes to make the sale. A chameleon in a business suit.

  23. I’m not sure where all of the “first debate blues” rhetoric is stemming from. I didn’t see President Obama slipping up. He provided well thought out answers in a clear, concise manner. The fact that he was defending his policies was a given, being the incumbent. Two things I respected about his responses: They answered the questions. No sidestepping. And he was courteous to both his opponent and the moderator. That was HIGHLY honorable of him and was a trait that I consider Presidential. One thing, additionally, that continued to beg my mind was Mr. Romneys words in such stark contrast with what he stated in the GOP primaries. It completely destroys the trust that anyone might have had in him, regardless of his policies. He went from right wing conservative to a position that seemed to push further left than the president! After all the previous rants against entitlement, how could the man portray himself as the guardian of the middle class? He showed aggressiveness to a fault. Interrupting the moderator was not very classy. Overall the debate was disappointing because there was nothing new brought to the table from either side. I’m looking forward to see that change.

  24. I think BOTH Romney and Obama are as real as Pro Wrestling. Seriously – I’m not the only one here. Why aren’t the third parties allowed to debate? I think it’s because “the elite” who control the media and all other corporations are afraid of the truth. This is all smoke and mirrors and until everyone wakes up, educates themselves, and votes with confidence in their choice, the nation will continue its demise. Picking the lessor of two evils is still picking evil.
    Here’s a good (legit) site to start educating yourself…

    Make sure you fill out the quiz as completely as possible (include the importance and answer the extra questions). It really is informative and enlightening.

  25. I voted for Obama in 2008 and I was inspired and excited. Obama promised: 1) “cut the deficit in half” 2)”lower unemployment” and 3)”increase America’s workforce”.

    In 2012: deficit is now nearly double what it was in 2008. Unemployment is up from 7.2% in 2008 to 8.1% and our workforce percentage is lower than it has been in over 20 years. The final straw was the White House cover up of the tragic US Embasy killings on Sep. 11 2012. (claiming they were in response to a video) The FBIs investigation states that the video actually came out in July and the attacks were (obviously) pre-planned years ago. (with the exception of CNN, who has decided to just stop the press on this story now that the truth came out) The US response to the embassy attacks is making us look like a very weak country these days.
    Theses are not my personal opinions, these are actual facts, and that is what I use to determine who I will vote for. Neither candidate is perfect Obama had his chance. For the most part, things are WORSE than ever four years later. No one can deny that.
    America needs a President who will stand up to Foreign evils and who will use real business experience to supercharge our economy so the lower income and middle class can get back in the workforce. I am voting for Mitt, he couldn’t fail much worse than Obama has.

    • …but don’t come here to complain, in 2016, after you dear Mitt ruined the country, and sold the left overs to his dear friends , you must b proud to be shoved in a corner and talked about like “the other 47%’ …if any of your toughts would mnake sense, as a HUMAN you must feel to proud to elect somebody who looks down on everyone who doesn’t earn millions….

      Think about that, when you vote. Without even the slightest bit of respect for other people, Romney is not woth presidency.

      • i look down on people who don’t make 50,000 a year…definitely don’t vote for me if i run for president 😛

  26. There is a difference between Governor Romney and President Obama that must always make the president less aggressive. President Obama is the President; therefore should be seen calm and collected which to some extent may be mistaken for lack of aggressiveness. Governor Romney on the other hand knows the hill he must climb therefore needs to be more energetic. He has little to prevent him from attacking unlike the president who must care not to injure a citizen his government serves. In addition, the governor was attacking Obama’s initiatives which are plenty compared to Romney’s initiatives that Obama would wish to interrogate.

  27. Where is the detail in the Presidents policies? He needs to spell out his own before calling for details on Mr Romney’s. All he has is his failed policies and promises of more of the same that will lead us to ruin as a nation.

    • If you already think that Obama’s policies “will lead us to ruin as a nation”, even though you don’t know the details, why do you claim to want to hear the details? You’ve already indicated you wouldn’t evaluate those details fairly.

    • Beverly said, “Where is the detail in the Presidents policies? He needs to spell out his own before calling for details on Mr Romney’s. All he has is his failed policies and promises of more of the same that will lead us to ruin as a nation.”

      Your question pretends to inquire, but comes from a mind already made up– not unusual with some fans of Romney/Ryan. To reassure you, however, the full Obama/Biden plans have been available for (at least) the past six months from and In addition, through press accounts and interviews with Obama, himself (CBS 60 Minutes–), or staff.

      Meanwhile, what Obama said about missing details is true– neither Romney nor Ryan have published details about their budget changes. No one knows where the cuts will be made or how Romney and Ryan will recover the $5 trillion required to pay for more tax cuts for the wealthy. and Romney and Ryan refuse to say. But that is only the half of the problem– the other half is serial false statements.

      In fact, most of Romney’s performance was built on unadorned prevarication. Romney was told by his handlers if he says something with a convincing tone of voice and body language, people will let him pass without asking for facts.

      Despite that advice, people continue to ask in frustration, without getting an answer–

      1. When Romney claimed that “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan,” it was a misstatement. They’re not. See–

      2. When he said that President Obama had “cut Medicare by $716 billion to pay for Obamacare”, it was just the opposite. Obama actually extended the funded lifespan of the program, without cutting benefits for Medicare recipients. The $716 billion comes from efficiency savings in the Medicare provider network. Under the pre-Obamacare network, there was significant inefficiency in the way public and private providers operated and were reimbursed. The $716 savings figure comes from the Congressional Budget Office, which found the cost of Medicare would rise $716 billion without Obamacare reforms. Put differently, Obamacare gives Medicare a new lease on life, but without cutting benefits. * For those who paid attention, the same $716 billion savings is also claimed by the Ryan plan.

      3. When Romney denied proposing a $5 trillion tax cut, that was simply not true. Romney has proposed cutting all marginal tax rates by 20 percent, a measure which cuts federal revenue by $5 trillion. See–

      4. When he said President Obama had “added almost as much to the federal debt as all the prior presidents combined”, Romney offered a huge misstatement of fact. When Obama took office in January 2009, the Congressional Budget Office already had projected the deficit for fiscal year 2009, which ended Sept. 30 of that year, would be $1.2 trillion. (The final figure was $1.4 trillion). For fiscal 2012, the deficit is expected to be $1.1 trillion, lower than the first year in office (under a budget crafted by George W. Bush). Expressed as a share of the Gross Domestic Product, as economists prefer, the deficit has declined from 10.1 percent of the economy’s total output in 2009 to 7.3 percent in 2012.

      5. When Romney resurrected Sarah Palin’s charge of “death panels”, that was called “one of the biggest whoppers of the night.” Listing his objections to the new health care law, Mr. Romney said: “It puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people, ultimately, what kind of treatments they can have…”

      Romney was completely wrong when he referred to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, created by Obamacare. The board’s stated purpose is to ”reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending.” Spending cuts recommended by the 15-member board would take effect automatically, but Congress still has final word on board recommendations.

      Obama reminded Romney the board is “a group of health care experts, doctors, etc., to figure out how can we reduce the cost of care in the system over all.”

      Under Obamacare, the board cannot make recommendations to ”ration health care,” raise revenues or increase premiums, deductibles or co-payments for Medicare beneficiaries.

      6. When Romney stated that half the green energy companies given stimulus funds had failed, it was Romney who failed. Only if three out of nearly three dozen is half– a gross misstatement. Of nearly three dozen recipients of loans under the Department of Energy’s loan guarantee program, only three of the 36 are currently in bankruptcy, although several others are facing financial difficulties. For startups (especially in the technical sector) every businessman understands there is risk, and a loss rate of only eight percent is a very good figure for any sector– especially in a recession period.

      7. When Romney denied the current tax code gives a full tax break to move a company overseas (costing US jobs and productivity), he claimed to speak from his accounting and tax law experience. Unfortunately for Romney, he demonstrated no expertise, only evasion in his answer. The US tax code does, in fact, make such a provision, and Romney has used such US tax code “loopholes” throughout his own career to move production overseas and kill US jobs, while getting a tax credit. When asked, Romney has claimed his actions are “legal and fair”, as though admitting the two are completely different considerations.

      8. When Romney said Obama wants a “government takeover of health care”, Romney was not only wrong, but he criticized the basic Medicare system– revealing Romney’s real feelings about Medicare. Obamacare provides coverage to approximately 30 million more citizens, and provides a federal subsidy so all people– even low and moderate incomes– can pay their premium. In contrast to Romney’s claim, Obamacare is actually a huge growth benefit to the private health insurance industry.

      This is only a brief summary of Romney misstatements– rest assured there are, and will be many more.

      • The president has finally acknowledged the truth about the murder of American diplomats in Benghazi. The president of Libya, I mean; not the president of the United States.

        The attack on the US consulate was not an angry reaction to an anti-Muslim film, President Mohamed Magarief told NBC News. If the Islamic radicals had been incensed by scenes from the amateur film, The Innonence of Muslims, they would have reacted 6 months earlier, when those scenes first became available.

        “They chose this date, 11th of September, to carry a certain message,” Magarief said. If only President Barack Obama could be equally candid!

        Consider: How would you react if you were outraged by a film made in some foreign country? You might picket outside that country’s embassy, I suppose. But would you bring along rocket-propelled grenades? I hope not. The “protesters” in Benghazi did.

        But perhaps the violent faction arrived to take advantage of an otherwise peaceful demonstration? Not so, President Magarief tells us; there was no crowd around the American consulate in Benghazi, he reports, until the men with the grenades showed up.

        By the way, why was this “demonstration” taking place in Benghazi? A spontaneous display of outrage would ordinarily be organized outside the embassy, which is in Tripoli. But the men with the grenades and mortars—let’s be honest and stop calling them demonstrators—were focused on Benghazi. Not coincidentally, the ill-fated US envoy, the late Christopher Stevens, was in Benghazi that day. Apparently the men with the grenades knew that he would be.

        Which leads us to the final outrage. After the initial grenade attack on the consulate, for several hours the US State Department did not know where Ambassador Stevens was. Yet the Islamic radicals did. They attacked the “safe house” where he had taken refuge.

        How did the Islamic militants know where that “safe” house was located? How did they know that Stevens would be in Benghazi? We know that Benghazi was a stronghold of the rebels who ousted the Qaddafi regime. We know that Ambassador Stevens had been coordinating American aid to the rebels. Apparently there were some severe security leaks, and by September 11 of this year, America’s enemies knew more than our friends.

        Americans had been warned that the rebels included Al Qaida operatives, and that by helping them we would be strengthening our own foes—just as we helped to strengthen the Taliban a generation ago, when the Muslim zealots in Afghanistan were fighting against the Soviet Union. The tragic deaths of American diplomats in Benghazi are a reminder that another president, George Washington, was wise to warn against entangling alliances.

        • Your point is that we should not trust “the locals”?

          The al Qaeda organization has staged well-planned attacks against much harder targets than Benghazi, and a consulate– of all targets– is easiest because of its traffic with Libyans. In fact, that is the reason for the consulate.

          So, no compound is completely safe. In Iraq, our troops regularly faced the threat of bomb-carrying insurgents who slipped unnoticed into mess halls on army bases, and detonated their IEDs. At the end, the best security Bush could arrange in Iraq was a billion-dollar concrete bunker in the Green Zone, which was still regularly mortared by locals.

          Ambassador Chris Stevens is an American hero for all he did in support of the Arab Spring in Libya. Clearly, Stevens and his colleagues risked their lives in a very dangerous situation because they believed in the policy under which they operated. This policy has not been undone by a single terrorist attack, nor can it be.

    • Mitt Romney promised to bring his experience from the corporate boardroom to Massachusetts—the same promise he’s making now as a presidential candidate. But Romney economics didn’t produce then—and it won’t now.

      Stagnant job growth: During Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts fell from 36th to 47th out of 50 states in job creation, while the overall U.S. economy grew.
      Declining manufacturing: By the end of Governor Romney’s term, Massachusetts had lost more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs—a rate twice the national average.
      Higher taxes: Gov. Romney raised taxes on the middle class, but pushed through a tax cut that overwhelmingly benefited 278 of the wealthiest individuals in MA.
      Highest debt in the nation: Under Mitt Romney, Massachusetts’ debt burden grew to the highest per person in the nation.
      Increased government spending: State spending increased every year while Romney was in office, and he left behind a $1 billion deficit for the next governor.
      Jobs outsourced overseas: Governor Romney failed to protect good jobs in Massachusetts, and actually outsourced state jobs to India.

    • Are you kidding me? Romney made Obama look like his student. He looked petty and we constantly looking down at the floor and the moderator. Romney brought clarity and hope for the future while Obama was trying to attack him for education on weak baseless claims. Romeny stood taller and was assertive and came off as a better leader than the incumbant

      • All the baseless claims were Romney’s, and had you been listening carefully, you might have noticed Obama explained not only his own position, but Romney’s discrepancies.

        And here is more– and Try the economy section, for starters.

        The debates are supposed to be a rational, dispassionate comparison of ideas and values, a break from contrived, Madison Avenue campaign video politics. Unfortunately, superficial stuff like false smiles and verbal style counts heavily with some voters, even if they have nothing to do with substance or policy. And policy is what will make or break us for the next four years.

        • Obama’s Past Facts

          Obama is close friends with unrepentant radical, domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and has worked with him for 20 years.

          Obama is close friends and a regular business associate with convicted real estate felon Tony Rezko.

          Obama was registered as Barry Soetoro as a Muslim citizen in Indonesia as a child and spent 3 years in a Muslim religious school studying the Koran and saying Islamic prayers. “Agama” means “religion” in Indonesian.

          Obama considers anti-semitic, racist demagogue Louis Farrakhan a great leader, good friend, and close ally. Farrakhan is also the Nation of Islam leader. Obama organized the “black solidarity” Million Man March with Farrakhan, lives in Farrakhan’s old house, and is neighbor’s with Farrakhan.

          Obama has a half-brother living in a tiny, dilapidated hut in Kenya making $12 a year – whom he ignores while claiming “I am the least of my brother’s keepers.”

          Obama is technically Arab-American, not African-American and would not be the first black President.

          Obama refers in his autobiography to an influential mentor who was under investigation by the FBI for being a Communist.

          Obama bases his political tactics on “practical” radical communist Saul Alinsky.

          Obama’s ancestors owned slaves.

  28. What little of the debate that I got to see, I was impressed by Mr. Romney’s performance and surprised by Mr. Obama’s lack thereof. More of Mr. Obama’s true records, both private and as President, need to be revealed to the public.

    Mark my words, if Mr. Obama is re-elected, within the next four years we will see the continued dismantling of our economy, the obstruction of justice through a perversion of our legal system, further degradation of our societal morals, and stronger foreign influences through the collaboration with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving assent to their Acts of pretended legislation, (Sharia Law).

    Do you think that this would never happen? Think again! When Egyptian Islamists stormed the American Embassy compound on 9/11, destroying the American flag, draping the black fabric of Al Qaeda over the walls shouting “death to America!” The Obama State Department responded by apologizing, claiming “this was actually a good thing”. In fact, Mr. Obama’s Administration recently gave Egypt’s new president, Mohammed Morsi, who belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood, $1.5 billion in foreign aid.

    With the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, Muammar Gaddafi from power in Libya, Hosni Mubarak from power in Egypt, and now U.S. and leaders of the European Union, along with the Muslim Brotherhood, are calling for the removal of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The stage is set for control over those regions to fall to the control of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is considered to be a terrorist organization. Mr. Obama even invited the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House. With Mr. Obama in office, the Muslim Brotherhood’s top leaders even write about taking over America. We simply cannot afford to have him remain in office for another four years.

    • Your “Mark my words” paragraph, in parts, seems to describe what might happen under Romney. Aside from that, you appear ready to charge into the MidEast, already. Maybe after nine years of conflict, a $3 trillion war, and more than a million casualties (dead, wounded, missing, PD), it might occur to you this is counterproductive.

      Obama deserves great credit for not going Knee-Jerk NeoCon, waving the flag and striking up the band, as some have urged him. Arab Spring politics is a very complex political development, and does not involve only the Muslim Brotherhood (which came about from political persecution by Egyptian military leaders) but many other parties, as well.

      We can only guess how difficult it is to find a way forward in the American interest, but Obama certainly merits our confidence for what has been accomplished in opening dialogue with the developing new leadership. The Benghazi attack does indicate how much al Qaeda is threatened by expanding American influence in the area. That reveals the effectiveness of the current approach (but with better security recommended for diplomatic personnel).

      Ironically, the world’s only superpower cannot act as the superpower NeoCons imagine. Our best course is to define our objectives clearly, avoid the kind of asymmetrical traps laid by weaker forces (outrages that drive people to demand a new Afghanistan), know our opponents well enough to protect ourselves and then find out how we can prosper together.

      It might surprise you that al Qaeda’s greatest fear is of becoming irrelevant– outmoded by the success of local governments and their peoples in developing toward prosperity and democracy. Driven by the fear of co-option from America, and the convenient article of faith America will never permit or truly foster local rule, al Qaeda must influence or control local leaders and label democracy a “Western trap and delusion”.

      So, we get the relentless emphasis on the lost Caliphate and “clash of civilizations”– warfare is the only mode of thinking permitted. But the future and the way forward is much larger than that, as the new generation of leaders begins to understand. The Obama approach does not play into the hands of al Qaeda, but helps develop increased democracy and prosperity for the region. Not a democracy as we envision, necessarily, but one which works for them.

      • Bob Greene, No, I am not “ready to charge into the Middle East” as you state. However, Mr. Obama’s actions over the past 4 years speak louder than his words. You are indeed correct in that Arab Spring politics is a very complex political development, and does not involve only the Muslim Brotherhood (which came about from political persecution by Egyptian military leaders) but many other parties, as well. Therefore we need to understand the “Muslim Brotherhood”. Lets’ consider then, the following facts about the Muslim Brotherhood:

        The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 by cleric Hassan al-Banna after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

        According to founder al-Banna, “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.” Therefore, the Muslim Brotherhood opposes secular tendencies of Islamic nations and wants a return to the precepts of the Qur’an.

        The Muslim Brotherhood creed is, “Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.”

        Its most famous slogan, used worldwide, is “Islam is the solution.”

        An important aspect of the Muslim Brotherhood ideology is the sanctioning of jihad such as the 2004 fatwa issued by Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi making it a religious obligation of Muslims to abduct and kill U.S. citizens in Iraq. Al-Banna wrote that the Islamic flag must be raised again in the territories once ruled by Islam: “Thus, Andulasia (Spain), Sicily, the Balkans, the Italian coast, as well as the islands of the Mediterranean are all Muslim Mediterranean colonies, and they must return to the embrace of Islam.”

        The Brotherhood is also viewed by many in the Middle East and the West as the root source for Islamic terrorism. In 2005, a former Kuwaiti Minister of Education, Dr. Ahmad al-Rabi’, wrote in the Saudi-owned Asharq al-awsat newspaper: “The beginnings of all the religious terrorism that we are witnessing today were in he Muslim Brotherhood’s ideology … all those who worked with bin-Laden and al-Qaida went out under the mandate of the Muslim Brotherhood.”

        The Brotherhood’s English language website describes the “principles of the Muslim Brotherhood” as including firstly the introduction of the Islamic Shari`ah as “the basis for controlling the affairs of state and society;” and secondly work to unify “Islamic countries and states, mainly among the Arab states, and liberating them from foreign imperialism”.

        The Brotherhood strongly opposes Western colonialism, and helped overthrow the pro-western monarchies in Egypt and other Muslim countries. Currently, we are witnessing the Muslim Brotherhood’s attempt, with the aid of the U.S. and leaders of the European Union, in the removal of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. In a written statement, President Obama said that President Assad was “standing in the way” of the future of the Syrian people. It is interesting that Mr. Obama’s alleged background has never been proven and instead has been sealed. Why is that? Could it be that Barack Hussein Obama has in the past had ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, or at least he very clearly sympathizes with their movement? Recall Mr. Obama’s own words, “the sins of colonialism must be corrected and America must be downsized”. Recall also scenes from Pakistan showing their country stomping on the U.S. flag–saying–”OBAMA YOU ARE EITHER FOR US OR AGAINST US!”, which is indicative of his alliance with them. Otherwise there would not have been a need for them to make that statement. Added to this is Mr. Obama’s covert attempts to bring Sharia Law into the U.S.. Therefore, I believe that the reason is quite obvious. Should Israel fall under threat of attack, regardless of the will of the majority of Americans, I fear that Obama and his socialist administration would do nothing to come to Israel’s aid. After all, he did state that he “would forever stand on the side of Islam”, and so far his actions in the White House have proven his stated convictions.

        According to a Washington Post report, Saudi Interior Minister Prince Nayef has denounced the Brotherhood, saying it is guilty of “betrayal of pledges and ingratitude” and is “the source of all problems in the Islamic world”.

        The MB is a movement, not a political party, but members have created political parties in several countries, such as the Islamic Action Front in Jordan and Hamas in Gaza and the West and the newly created Freedom and Justice Party in Egypt. These parties are staffed by Brotherhood members but kept independent from the MB to some degree, unlike Hizb ut-Tahrir , which is highly centralized.

        In the U.S.A., the MB’s organizations were started by activists involved with the Muslim Brotherhood and included the Muslim Students Association in 1963, North American Islamic Trust in 1971, the Islamic Society of North America in 1981, the American Muslim Council in 1990, the Muslim American Society in 1992 and the International Institute of Islamic Thought in the 1980s. According to the Washington Post, Muslim activists say the MSA’s members represent “all schools of Islam and political leanings – many are moderates, while others express anti-U.S. views or support resistance against Israelis.” The Holy Land Foundation trial, [U. S. v. Holy Land Foundation, 445 F.3d 771], has led to the release, as evidence, of several documents on the Muslim Brotherhood. One of these documents, dated in 1991, explains that the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. is “settlement,” defined by the brotherhood as a form of jihad aimed at destroying Western civilization from within and allowing for the victory of Islam over other religions. In another one of these documents, “Ikhwan in America”, the author alleges that the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood in the US include going to camps to do weapons training (referred to as Special work by the Muslim Brotherhood), as well as engaging in counter-espionage against US government agencies such as the FBI and CIA (referred to as Securing the Group).

        On 29 June 2011, as the Brotherhood’s political power became more apparent and solidified following the 2011 Egyptian revolution, the United States announced that it would reopen formal diplomatic channels with the group, with whom it had suspended communication as a result of suspected terrorist activity. The next day, the Brotherhood’s leadership announced that they welcomed the diplomatic overture.

        When speaking of al Qa’ida, which is a brach of the MB, before the Senate in 2004, George Tenet (former Director of Central Intelligence) said the following, “He [Usama bin Laden] created al-Qaida to indoctrinate a worldwide movement in global jihad, with America as the enemy—an enemy to be attacked with every means at hand.

        The problem for the U.S. is if even a small percent of 1.3 billion agree with the MB, the U.S. is left with the challenge of defeating an intimidating number of people sympathetic to an enemy who has repeatedly announced that negotiation is not an option.

        In light of these facts, which only scratch the surface of the actions and intentions of the Muslim Brotherhood movement, are we to still think, or assume that they are a benevolent Islamic group with whom we may peacefully interact through diplomacy? Do we really want a man who has made blatant comments that reflect the mission of the Muslim Brotherhood to continue serving as President of the United States?

        Think what you will, but I will never cast my vote for him because a vote for Obama is a vote for the Muslim Brotherhood and their role as the leadership of the coming, “New World Order.”

        • Thank you for the fullsome description of the Muslim Brotherhood, but as we agree that MB is only one player of many, we cannot let objections to one halt the outreach to many in the Arab region.

          Having lunch with the MB is not as scandalous as you make it seem, since many other political opponents have met with US presidents in the past to explore avenues of dialogue and cooperation.

          Lunch with Obama will not hasten the “inevitable decline” of Western liberal democracy, but it may very well provide a basis for constructive new relationships with three (perhaps four) new Arab states in the region.

          There is a very active diplomatic effort to find a cooperative relationship with the MidEast, and events show that anticipating and moving with such developments is the only way to secure American interests. We do not have the luxury of reactive politics.

          Jihadist rhetoric is not the first time a large group has sworn enmity to this country. On the contrary, the United States worked out a very stable relationship with the Soviets, even while Soviet officials continued to predict in volumes of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia the inevitable overthrow of capitalist countries– and to raise large armies to be ready when the inevitable day came. But it never came.

          • Bob Greene, your points are well stated. However, we cannot simply overlook the facts listed and the statements of M.r Obama. Nor can we ignore his record of showing blatant disregard for the Constitution and his obstruction of Justice while he has been in office.

  29. Would you play your whole entire hand if you knew that you had two more debates? I would not. It is not good strategizing. Watch him pull out his best hands and drive in for the win. He is going to use the American people to help him especially the 47%. Any good debator knows that it is the last thing a person hears is what he/she remembers.

    • Cynthia, not sure how long you have been involved in debating or critiquing such, but your statement is dramatically flawed. Leaving your best for last in a series of debates or even in just your closing statements is far from a reality for successful debating strategy.

      Debates are won by consistent, strong performance from start to finish, and the realities this debate will not be lost in the debates to come, as much as you and millions of others may hope it will.

      I really wanted to hear Obama bring some strong and effective discussion on what the next four years would look like, but am even more leery now than ever. He has some nice ideas, but his strategies to make them a reality are fundamentally flawed. Don’t be wooed by nice sounding statements and genuine concern. Millions of people and businesses fail every day because they have a nice idea, but an ineffective strategy to achieve it, and it is no different hear, except the ramifications are much more dire.

      Consider that with an open mind.

  30. It was obvious that the President was not prepared. It is amazing how many are jumping in to make excuses for him. I think it is dangerous to have this nation led by a man who is not prepared in more ways than what was so starkly revealed at this debate. Of course, he was relying on his team,the amazing “spin machine,” which shook off its own initial shock and got to work immediately to mop up all signs of the President’s incompetence. Theirs is a very hard job to do, but they do it well because they have had so much practice at it. It has been almost a month since the Libyan consulate attack, and the President as commander-in-chief of our national security has not said “boo” about it to the nation. He does not know what to say, just as he did not know what to say at the debate on other subjects. He has mastered the art of being “eye candy” but he does not think it is important for him to master the art of being a President and world leader. It takes more knowledge and skill than knowing how to brew beer using a kit.

    • .
      You greatly exaggerate. Obama effectively presented his case, and all the rest is the artifice of showbiz.

      Put another way, if you like a plastic smile when Romney delivers an untruth, does that make it true?

      For evidence of Romney’s poor showing in Debate One with the facts, here is an article which will interest you–

      Obama’s record merits strong support, especially compared to Romney (since you insist). In contrast to your claim about the absence of comment about Benghazi, you will find this Obama address in complete contradiction–

      Your groundless speculation about Obama preparedness completely ignores the fact Obama not only defended his own position well, but effectively demonstrated the misstatements of fact in the Romney position. We could not ask for more from the man who merits re-election.

  31. Why are people failing to see what is really wrong with this election? We have one man who was first elected with the greatest national debt from the previous President and has only made it larger, and the other who is far from understanding the needs of the everyday American. Is it only the enlightened few who see that both sides are doing an awful job and that no matter what the candidates promise or put into action, little actually has to do with us American citizens? We are fed lies about how our votes matter, well how much do they really matter when the only people to vote for aren’t really working for us? When was the last time you really felt like your goverment was working for you? I honestly don’t think we have had a goverment truly working for us since the two party system took over. At any given time people will disagree and have varying opinions on absolutely everything but in our government there are only two opinions, two sides to an argument. Not everything is so black and white, so high and low. It reflects our growing class structure, the very rich versus the very poor, but there are still those in the middle. We should be challenging the lack of connection to the middle class.

    • I have to agree with Natasha. The two party system does not work anymore in a nation that is as complex and diverse as the USA. Where there are more voices in gov’t there will be more competition, and where there is more competition there will be more efficiency. This does NOT mean that a nazi party could take over the country! All parties must be fundamentally given to american principles of democracy. But as it is we are given very limited choices between two parties that have both become ineffective. This is simply NOT good enough to foster efficiency and better management in gov’t affairs, foreign and domestic.

      • Nat & Shari: I agree completely. If we had the Libertarian and Green candidates on the stage, we’d be having a real debate on real issues, and someone would be there unafraid to call a lie a lie.

  32. It takes a President that has a heart for all people not just for the rich and famous. Have you seen the jobless poll as of today? WE ARE MOVING FORWARD!! Stats don’t make excuses.

  33. The President came in for a Job Interview and was unprepared at best. Arrogant but at least he continues to be consistent…

  34. The current unemployment rate figures were released by the government. Who is in currently in charge of the government? Oh yeah, Mr. Obama. No surprise that it would indicate improvement, especially following the figures cited by Mr. Romney during the first debate. The lower unemployment rate could also be a result of the expiration of a person’s unemployment benefits, NOT due to more people working. Sorry, not buying it. Like the old saying, “figures don’t lie, but liars figure”.

    “A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.” From the Declaration of Independence.

    • C: Nonsense.

      If Obama could have an impact on such reports, you can be sure that he would not have allowed the bad numbers to show up the very next day after his convention last month.

      You’d do better to say the numbers weren’t that great. Because they’re not. To suggest some kind of conspiracy to create this tiny blip just makes you look paranoid and petty.

      • Goethe Behr. Whether we may or may not agree, we are both entitled to our opinions. But I do agree with you when you say that I would do better to say the numbers weren’t that great. Because they’re not.

  35. I think President Obama ws just taking in all of Romney’s lies. I thought Romney looked arrogant and smug. I can’t stand that grin he gets on his face. I also hate the way he stairs with that smirky grin on face when he has an opponent. He did it at the Republican debates. Wanted to go up there and wipe it off his face then and now. No wonder Obama didn’t look at him. Romney’s a joke.

    • I agree. To me it looked like Obama was actually caught off guard by Romney’s blatant lies and how well Romney handled the BS. Romney looked confident, but he didn’t actually say anything that wasn’t a bunch of hot air, as far as I could tell. Obama challenged Romney’s plan to get out of the deficit. Romney simply says “I will make a plan that works and won’t raise taxes.” …. Yeah? I still don’t know what your plan is, pal.

    • More excuses for a detached and unprepared president. He didn’t even have the courtesy to show up for the debate prepared and appear presidential. Don’t you want your president to be strong, speak up for what he stands for with confidence and accept responsibility for his record instead of blaming others – you can’t have it both ways? You would rather excuse his poor performance by saying it was the elevation (Gore) or that he can’t speak with vigor because he is black (Junad) and that would appear too aggressive – give me a break! If you think the American people are that stupid and blind you must not be paying attention. Look at what Obama does with his time and with whom he spends his time…he’s hardly been office enough to do the job as president he’s been out campaigning, playing golf and fundraising in Las Vegas.

    • People, do you know what a debate is? You don’t use a telepromter during a debate. I get it you would want Obama to have all the answers written down for him because he doesn’t really pay attention to what’s going on in the country, but come on shouldn’t our president be able to stand on his own merit?

      de·bate (d-bt)
      v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
      1. To consider something; deliberate.
      2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
      3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
      4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel.
      1. To deliberate on; consider.
      2. To dispute or argue about.
      3. To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
      4. Obsolete To fight or argue for or over.
      1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
      2. Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
      3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
      4. Obsolete Conflict; strife.

      • Mark: That’s why these are not really debates. In a debate, you focus on ONE, delineated issue at a time, such as “resolved that enough jobs were created by the stimulus program to justify its cost.” And then you make points for or against the clear, narrow proposition.

        It’s not a debate when the questions are as vague as “what’s the difference between youse guys, eh?” and the answers are ALL over the map. Unfortunately, hosts have learned not to appear as if they think they are more important than the President of the United States, or his challenger. So the host politely asks a vague question and then just sits there.

        This was just competitive talking. So instead of “winning” on points made, the participants are judged on their television demeanor. One commentator even said he turned off the sound and evaluated them based on their movements.

  36. interesting. so when you are lied to, you look down and pretend to take notes? and when someone is telling you a bunch of lies, do you just take it in and digest it and say nothing of the truth? i don’t buy it. Romney knew what he was talking about plain and simple. i think people were just shocked to see him taking Obama to school when the obama campaign and everyone else was banking on romney showing how “out of touch” with the american people he is….we all just whitnessed a strategy backfire. Obama didn’t show up for the debate, but instead of excuses, he should just say it wasn’t his night and he’ll take care of business in the next one.. i guess we’ll see. i’m curious though. if he doesn’t do well in the next one, will there be more excuses? more calling Romney a liar after the debate is over instead of during the debate?

    • I agree. Obama has done nothing but divide our country and bow down to countries around the world who want nothing better than to see America falter. His weak foreign policy resulted in extremists attacking our embassies and then Obama and his surrogates lies to the citizens of the United States! Obama ran on the promise of a transparent government for the people…not just some of the people. He has the nerve to ask for Romney’s tax records and details of his plans when he won’t give up his birth certificate or university records not to mention he has no plans for our govenment other than to redistribute wealth to non-deserving non-performers.

  37. Obama’s Past Quotes

    On Schools Teaching Sex To Kindergarteners
    “I remember him (Alan Keyes), uh, using this in his campaign against me, saying, ‘Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners.’ And, you know, which — I didn’t know what to tell him. But it’s the right thing to do.”

    On “White Folks”
    “That’s just how white folks will do you. It wasn’t merely the cruelty involved; I was learning that that black people could be mean and then some. It was a particular brand of arrogance and obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn’t know they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn. White folks.”
    “The hate hadn’t gone away; it formed a counternarrative buried deep within each person and at the center of which stood white people – some cruel, some ignorant.”
    “Wright spoke of Sharpsville and Hiroshima, the callousness of policy makers in the White House and in the State House.”

    On Dismantling U.S. Defense
    “I’m the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning — and as president, I will end it. Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending. I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. I will not weaponize space. I will slow our development of future combat systems, and I will institute an independent defense priorities board to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending. Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material, and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals.”

    On Whether Americans Should Live The Way They Want
    “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times…and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.”

    On His Middle Name, Hussein
    “Well, I think if you’ve got a guy named Barack Hussein Obama, that’s a pretty good contrast to George W. Bush. If you believe that we’ve got to heal America and we’ve got to repair our standing in the world, then I think my supporters believe that I am the messenger who can deliver that message.”

    Talking about China’s Communist Slave-Built Infrastructure
    “(China’s) ports, their train systems, their airport are all vastly superior to us now.”

    Explaining His Campaign Journey
    “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”

    On Troop Supplies
    “So we just don’t have enough capacity right now to deal with – and it’s not just troops, by the way. It’s like Arab – Arab – Arabic interpreters, Arab language speakers, we only have a certain number of them, and if they’re all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them, and – and obviously they may not speak Arabic, but the various dialects that they speak in Afghanistan, oftentimes people who speak Urdu or Pashtun or whatever the languages are – they’re going to be needed in those areas, and a lot of them have ended up being placed elsewhere.”

    On What He Considers Patriotic
    “You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a (flag) pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest.”

    • This attempt to belittle Obama ends up more a commentary on you than Obama. There is little in this meandering list of quotations which departs from mainstream America.

      In Obama, we have a gifted orator as our president, and to find him with a recorded moment of awkwardness is rare. It becomes all the more a tribute, since tiny portable audio recorders are now everywhere. At any moment, someone can place a microphone near Obama, even when he is too tired to recall the 50 US states.

      Your section titled, “Dismantling US Defense”, does not describe dismantling at all, but the only sane response to mutually assured thermonuclear destruction. This is a debate as old as you are, and you should know better by now. Even Reagan sought with Gorbachev to reach a complete dismantling of nuclear weapons (but was pulled back by his own advisers from going to zero).

      On sex education for kindergarteners, that is a judgment call for parents, but if parents believe it is appropriate, it should be done. Remember, if your kids are not taught by you or a teacher, they eventually will be taught by the street.

      Rev. Jeremiah Wright talked about racial resentments from his own point of view, but that opinion is important to hear, just as it is important the conversation move in both directions. Whether you have heard the phrase before, it matters that all people with differences learn to talk them out instead of harboring suspicion and grudges. There really is no other way to have a United States of America.

    • Mark: There is not enough room on Nate’s server to list all the stupid things Romney has said. It’s hard enough to keep up with his multiple waffling on individual issues.

  38. As soon as ex-General Electric CEO Jack Welch fired off a tweet questioning today’s just released “unbelievable jobs numbers,” the media went into a frenzy talking about how “conservatives” were launching conspiracy theories. Well, that’s handy for the media and the Obama campaign, but it’s not just “conservatives” who are confused by a full 0.3% drop in unemployment when only 114k jobs were created.

    CNBC is as confused as the rest of us:

    Job growth remained tame in September, with the economy creating just 114,000 net new positions though the unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent, the first time it has been below 8 percent in 43 months.

    The report presented a slew of contradictory data points, with the total employment level soaring despite the low net number.

    The falling jobless rate had been a function as much of the continued shrinking in the labor force as it was an increase in new positions.

    On the air, CNBC seemed equally perplexed by the biggest one-time drop in the unemployment rate in 29 years!

    ABC News’ Chris Cuomo is also skeptical of the numbers:

    That “not fixed” tag smells a little like sarcasm to me.

    Adding to the mystery is the fact that the U-6, the longtime underemployment and unemployment number, remained fixed at a dismal 14.7%.

    What this .03% drop means (per Ed Morrissey) is that the number of unemployed people dropped by 456,000 when only 114k jobs were created–well below the monthly average, and below population growth. Where did 342k people go to lower the number so dramatically just 31 days before a presidential election? Did they retire, leave the planet, die of old age in the unemployment office?

    Moreover, just 30 days before the election, 342K people dropped off the unemployment rolls and lowered the unemployment rate to below 8%–a benchmark number vitally important to President Obama who promised his stimulus would ensure we wouldn’t hit 8%.

    Finally, this is the second hinky looking report/revision from the Bureau of Labor Statistics in as many months. Just days ago, 400,000 jobs were “discovered”–almost the exact number Obama needed to have a record of creating more jobs on his watch than were lost.

    The Obama-friendly media is rolling out some very convenient talking points, with NPR crowing in its half-hourly news bulletin: “The unemlpoyment rate is now back where it was in when President Barack Obama took office in January 2009.” Except it isn’t, exactly.

    No one’s crying “conspiracy” here, but any journalist worth a damn always remains skeptical and looks to connect the dots of counter-intuitive good news released just weeks away from a major election.

    ADDED: MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, no right-winger, is also questioning the jobs report.

    So, if the unemlpoyment rate is now back where it was in when President Barack Obama took office in January 2009 then what has he been doing for the last four years?!

  39. Hello their all you Americans
    Ive been watching the whole show from Europe for months (its a good show)

    If you cannot see Romney is the better man your all in bigger trouble than you think
    Obama looks like a tired loser
    also mabee someone should check his prescription drugs He looks like a tired man
    He was good on the offence 4 years ago but on the defence for his terrible record in charge he was the pits
    It is not only USA that has recession The growth of China and Asia means all western states USA and Europe are suffering
    If you let obama carry on your downward slide you will finish somewhere you dont want too be
    America is not the greatest country on earth (in the 80s everybody looked too america (not any more)
    People dont even want too visit your country (you invade too many countries and live off old success)
    wake up Clearly Vote for Romney (Its your Chance

    • Sorry, but if you worry about an America that invades too many countries and lives off old success, as you put it, then a vote for Romney is a vote for the 19th century’s Gilded Age of concentrated power and wealth, to the denial of prosperity and opportunity for most Americans.

      Only Obama has shown he can understand and manage leadership in a modern, complex and multicultural world. Yet, the past four years have seen a perfect gridlock of partisan power in this country, which has delayed Obama’s efforts to carry out the reforms we need. GOP insistence on party-line opposition to most Obama proposals brings the burden of responsibility for what has resulted.

      • Bob, You have a lot of great words strung together just like your idol Obama. It’s like a bunch of window dressing, but really no substance when you take a closer look. All talking points that the liberals have concocted to indoctrinate the uninformed into thinking what this president is doing will result in benefits for the country when in reality his actions only help those who are dependent on the government. Why would he force Obamacare instead of working with the Republicans? He didn’t even get a single Democratic vote for his budget…oh and we still have no budget four years latere.

        He is good with a teleprompter and when he is in front of David Letterman, The View and other liberal media outlets that toss him softball questions like: “What did you have for lunch” and “What is your favorite color”. None of the media has put him on the spot with tough questions about his plan, his policies or even how he spends the taxpayer dollars traveling around the world for no apparent reason other than to barter with and encourage terrorist.

        Take the blinders off and think for yourself…we don’t want to continue down this path we are on.

    • That’s just the tip of the proverbial iceburg!

      What about the latest administration questionable actions regarding the WARN Act?

      DOL obstructing oversight of controversial WARN Act guidance, says Workforce Committee

      House Education and the Workforce Committee Chairman John Kline (R-Minn.), along with Workforce Protections Subcommittee Chairman Tim Walberg (R-Mich.) and Rep. Phil Roe, M.D. (R-Tenn.), have renewed a request for documents and communications related to the development of guidance concerning sequestration and the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act. In a letter dated September 24 to Labor Secretary Solis, the committee members noted the DOL’s failure to provide a response to the committee’s August 2 efforts to gather additional information about the guidance.

      “The Labor Department is trying to hide the consequences of sequestration from workers,” said Kline. “The department’s refusal to answer our questions regarding its controversial guidance and how it will affect families and businesses across the country is just the latest in a disturbing pattern of congressional obstruction. With thousands of jobs on the line, Secretary Solis has an obligation to provide Congress [with] this information without further delay.”

      The WARN Act requires employers with more than 100 employees to give affected workers 60 days’ notice of mass layoffs or plant closings. On July 30, the DOL’s assistant secretary for the Employment and Training Administration released guidance stating that the WARN Act does not require federal contractors affected by sequestration to provide notice.

      Now, contrary to law, the administration is telling these defense contractors not to notify their employees until after the election…another political ploy to obfuscate what’s really going on with this administration and its underhanded dealings with the American people.

  40. Jack Welch is a pos. when obama took office ge was at $7per share in march of $23

    Research ge hudson river cleanup. They are huge polluters that refused to take redponsibility until the courts forced them to.

    Under obama welch has made more money than he ever dreamed of.

  41. President Obama was a class-act who did not overrun the moderator when he was trying to control the debate. Romney was rude and disrespectful like a school-yard bully.

    Overall I think they both had points to make and they made them. American now needs to choose what direction to take.

  42. Obama in the first debate with John McCain performed much much better then with Mitt Romney in their first debate. He was simply not there and did not perform well.

    • Um, the guy is president of the united states. Shouldn’t he be allowed to be just a little tired? That aside, I didn’t think Obama did that bad at all. He went through the issues and was able to call on Romney’s inconsistencies. Several times Romney shot back on the defensive, having to override the moderator to do it. Try not to be too weighed down by appearances and actually listen and pay attention to what is being said.

  43. Why is Media so Blind to the Truth of the Oct. 3rd Debate?

    The truth is not always perceived with what you can see with the eyes.

    President Obama was playing Romney. (Despite what some “Bell Curve” believing Republicans and Liberals may hold to when it comes to the intellect of peoples not of their color range.)

    President Obama is still brilliant and crafty. One does not all of a sudden become “un-brilliant,” “uncontrolled” or “dumb”. That goes against our human nature. This also applies to people of color.

    If this makes it any easier, the thought processes of white people also applies to rest of us. but, if all of you want to hold to some outdated colonial view of others, then do, at your own mis-information.

    One thing you must admit, President Obama has always been a consistent broker. He knows his policies through and through. President Obama is not into “knee jerk reactions.” He knows his opponent, is a dodger, a flip-flopper and basically a habitual liar. Putting a hand up to faces of the naysayers, the President has accomplished some very important political and policy wins, despite the stalemating of a Republican controlled Congress.
    But, the liberal and conservative media leads everyone, once again, down to the upside of a sinking ship.
    Think. Whatever information and outcome the Obama administration wanted out of the debate, they got especially from a raging torrent pouring from Romney’s mouth, as he song like a bird, albeit they were mostly lies. But, Romney’s lies has put a millstone about his neck, with the large yellow sticker of “VOUCHER CARE” stuck to his forehead, to be carried for the next 30 days, for all to see.
    *** This is a sad referendum on a country that counts a liar’s debate presentation, as a winner for the people of the United States— but this too shall come to pass. The saddest thing is that the lies can be corroborated — from his (Romney’s) own mouth.***
    The media needs to do there HOMEWORK, and stop being LAZY. Taking the accepted talking points as gospel. This sort of mindset is expected from some of the conservative media point talkers, because they see the President as inferior and underserving of his post. That will not change, even if very God wrote the name “OBAMA” across the sky.
    President Obama, used many of the principles, from “The Art of War”
    on Romney.


    The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom.
    Sun Tzu
    Pretend inferiority and encourage his (the opponent’s) arrogance. 
    Sun Tzu 
    Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent’s fate. 
    Sun Tzu 
    He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious. 
    Sun Tzu 
    If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. 
    Sun Tzu 
    Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting. 
    Sun Tzu
    I assure you President Obama will be on top of his game come his next debate, with a vengeance. Obama and Biden will shame, “The Stench” and “Gilligan” until the people have spoken, on Nov. 6.
    So instead of watching the debates like a football game we should be watching the debates like a chess match — that Romney does not know he’s apart of.
    A dead pawn here, a dead Bishop there, and a dead Rook, that is all the first debate on Oct. 3rd, meant to a seasoned chess master.
    Oh, and President Obama, along with Bill Clinton, and 22 other US presidents, most of who were Democrats, were and are seasoned chess players.
    Check Mate!

  44. Everyone needs to check out the following link and honestly consider the facts presented. Then, seriously consider whether continued support for Mr. Obama is warranted.

    Your final decision for whom you will cast your vote on November 6th is entirely up to you. I just hope that you make your vote honestly based on the facts of the evidence.

    • I heard about this, and frankly, I am not sure why there is no one demanding an inquiry into this. There is so much noise out there right now, very hard to distinguish propaganda from real data, from either side. If “The Project” is real, and Obama is a 5th Collumn, it would be the story of the century.

      • Actually, a Congressional investigation into the matter has been requested. The group known as “Team B II” includes experienced defense, intelligence and law enforcement practitioners – notably, former Director of Central Intelligence R. James Woolsey; Lieutentant Generals Harry E. Soyster and William G. Boykin, the former Defense Intelligence Agency Director and former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, respectively; former Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Fleet Admiral James A. Lyons; and former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy. All of the information cited within the report is from Court documents released as a result of the US v. Holy Land Foundation, personal eye witness accounts by those mentioned above. The evidence presented is factual.

        • In all fairness, everyone here should understand that, although the links provided earlier, (in re the, mainly deal with past and current staff members in the Obama administration, the infiltration by the Brotherhood involves both the Democratic and Republican parties. The infiltration did not begin with the Obama administration, rather, it had begun in the Clinton administration and gained inroads in the G.W. Bush administration and achieved its greatest advances in the Obama administration. This is neither a Democratic nor a Republican issue, rather it is one of national security that, if left unchecked through an unbiased Congressional investigation, it can and most likely will have dire consequences for the future of our Country regardless of who will win the Presidential election.

          Nonetheless, it truly amazes me that, even when given factual information, which is based on hard documentary evidence and eyewitness, expert testimony, people still refuse to accept that evidence and instead enter into a state of denial; continuing on an extremely dangerous course rather than taking any corrective actions.

  45. My take? My take is that this is another example of a Liberal making excuses. Like all these polls that are about as neutral as factcheck, they are here for no other reason than to sway opinion, not report it or solicit it. Stop wasting bits on our Internet please.

  46. Your right and that is why us level head thinking citizens will re-Elect President Obama.

    Thank you very much. 🙂

  47. I also found the choice of calling his school program “RACE” to the top, very telling, and quite appropriate considering his world view.

    • Vanight: Yeah.

      Just like Romney wants to win the “race” to the “White” House. Verrrrry suspicious.


      • So now Obama is saying he was too polite during the debates…let’s see; he was tired, the elevation got to him, Romney rudely interrupted him, the moderator didn’t moderate, it was a ropa-a-dope…it goes on and on. This president is not a LEADER. LEADERS come prepared, they take responsibility for their failures and they acknowledge those who have performed well.

        Now they can’t seem to make up their mind what happened in Libya. First it was the video, then it wasn’t, then it was now it’s not. Meanwhile we had four Americans murdered and we stand by, do nothing but cover up and make apologies for some imaginary offense to the Muslim community – who, by the way had nothing to do with the attack on the embassies.

  48. Political people are so funny. On both sides they think that their president has to be elected and the other can’t, and you guys got this way because you got to believing the rhetoric of one party from either your family or the media.

    • Voting for the lesser of two evils, still gets you evil.

      Has anyone noticed the Barack creature looks more and more like a chimpanzee, and the Mitt creature like a statue in Madame Tussaud’s Wax Museum…and that both are liars and cheats that hate Free Americans!

      So, are you going to vote for Plastic Man or Monkey Boy…hoping whichever one of these evils “wins” will destroy our Free Nation at a slower pace…?

      Or, are you going to take a stand against these two anti-American subhumans, and vote your conscience instead!

      Gary Johnson is THE ONLY ONE TO GET YOUR VOTE — if you are a Real American and want to save our Nation!

    • DT: Good report. It says 40%, but we know at least ONE-THIRD of Americans identify themselves as “independents.”

      The two political parties try to sell us on the idea that these independents are just “free thinkers,”

      but it is self-evident that an EQUAL number of Americans REJECT the two-party system as the number of us who belong to either party.

  49. Apparently Obama cannot speak without a teleprompter. He also seemed to not be there mentally at all, like he was back in his high school and college sch room days. He definitely looked like he was on drugs.

    Now that I saw him in verbal action with an adult I can understand why he has screwed up so much during his occupancy of the white house.

    He definitely does not deserve another 4 years to continue his terrorism against the United States.

    I am also very upset that congress had not instituted impeachment against him. The current members of congress will not be getting my votes.

  50. C. and Mark, Thank you both! There is no way I could have done the research you have done, much less said it so effectively. It has only reinforced my belief and conviction that a vote for Obama would be a vote to end the way of life here in America as we know it. A life of FREEDOM!
    Walter Fine, no insult intended, but you make no sense.
    Me, and others about Romney in the debate. While I myself did not particularly like the seeminly perpetual grin on Romney’s face; I don’t believe it was to be rude but was meant more to show a sense of politeness and expectation. However I am curious, that if you are believing him to be rude, then do you at the same time comdemn Biden’s actions during the vice predidential debate? Or as many other Obama supporters, actually applaud his boorish behavior? and therefor have a different standard?
    Bob Greene, you are very much like your idol Obama. You make excuses and blame others for what he has done and not done and your statements have no substance.
    Tell me, Obama fans, have you even checked the facts presented by C? Also, there are many excellent informative books about Obama’s performance and character. The Amateur, Obama In The White House gives examples of his lack of leadership, his own flip flopping on issues, his ignorance, and his belief in his own deity! If so, are you just ignoring them, and if so how could you? And if you haven’t checked them, don’t you believe you owe it to your self and your loved ones to make a truly objective and informed decision when you vote?

  51. Only candidates were allowed at the podiums.
    Finally, the distortions by the media and Obama’s handler’s were swept away in 90 minutes.
    Only some were shocked. Only some.

    The depth of deception by camera’s and directors of the President w/ the cloaked past, was removed.
    Surrised people saw the man who calls himself Barack Obama.
    Some saw him for the first time.
    Others for the millionth time.

    The depth of deception is revealed in the excuses for a grown man of 50 yrs who has had every opportunity from an extravagant budget and skilled directors. 49% couldn’t believe their eyes or their ears.

    Refocus on the importance of the office, the eyes of the world, the pure bigness of 90 minutes in 70 million homes, TV’s, to a pop. of 200 million people.

    Stop, ponder the worlds leaders he flew across continents to meet, arriving w/ a dozen planes, a kitchen plane w/ his chef, a flying hospital plane and a security plane; parading himself thru streets of Moscow, Beijing, London, Madrid, Rome. The world tour by the Obama’s, unmatched by other world leaders, even China’s whose leader greeted him by asking how he would pay China what he borrowed.
    Having seen the Obama in the 1st debate, will they even care if Obama exhibits aggressiveness tonight 10/16/12?
    I think they saw enough nudity in the last debate.

    The surprise of liberals to their President parallels their degree of self deception.
    5% got that and quickly jumped ship.
    They get that they were deceived.
    They saw the Emperor w/o his clothes on.

    The eyes of those who settle for others to censor their news and views have devoured deception.
    The attendant, Jim Lehr, facilitated the washing of 6 months of grime from the windshield in front of America’s eyes by media and the President which had distoredt the voters behind the wheels, making the campaign trail dangerous.

    There was no surprise whatsoever for one half of the country.
    35 million shouted There! There he is!

    Two weeks later Obamaites want proof he’s who they believed in.
    Will they substitute aggressiveness for confidence, wisdom and understanding and sincerity?
    Do they see better at a boxing match? Do they need a referee to score the bouts ?
    Or will the mechanism of doubt in them give up and believe their eyes and the confirmation of their own ears?

    • Anna: Actually, if you look at Obama’s performance, by itself, he handled himself quite well–answered the questions, was direct, sincere, and respectful. His only mistake was in not ANSWERING the attacks, such as the $716 billion so-called Medicare cut that is in RYAN’s own plan, and Romney said he would SUPPORT. Why did Obama say nothing? Nobody knows.

      The camera loves action. Instead of standing at the podium, perhaps he should have been bouncing around, waving his arms, pointing, and frothing at the mouth, like Romney.

      Obama’s big risk is that his advisers will probably tell him to jump around tonight, but I don’t think that will work in a “town hall” format.

      • Obama can’t pounce around the room, waving his arms because he is use to having a teleprompter planted directly in front of his field of vision. Without David Axelrod to prop him up, to make him sound eloquent, he had to talk solo and use his own intellect to formulate his answers.

        He can’t answer the attacks because the truth speaks louder than his empty words! Citizens tune in to hear the answers; evaluate proposed solutions; and record all the campaign promises so that they can make our elected officials accountable for their actions!

        “Hope and Change” has quickly turned into “Distort and Blame”!

        Perhaps negative tactics work in yesterday, when it took longer to check facts and when EVERY word spoken wasn’t captured on film. These days, politicians have to be on guard constantly because their enemies are waiting to pounce on them and to call them out when discovering lies and distortions.

      • Goethe Behr: We can agree Obama was well behaved. We can agree aggressiveness is not the measure of a man’s ability to lead and that neither being animated or standing still is an indicator of character, brilliance,leadership or experience. But voters are interviewing the President to see if he should remain another 4 years. All candidates are expected to appear alone in front of their employer for accountability.

        The employer, who is the voters and viewers, and not the media or the anchors or the pundits or the campaign chairmen. the employers, expect once every 4 years prospective employers must appear to be interviewed and be held accountable publicly.

        Tables are turned and employee applicants must answer. Aggression is not a plus at a job interview. Enthusiasm and preparedness is. Articulation and responsibility for causes of shortcomings must, absolutely must be under discussion in an interview.

        You must be prepared to fire those who failed the employer and present your plan and you must exhibit proven attributes that will produce the numbers which spell success. Finger pointing, blaming, character assassinations, lying, long delays, protecting your image, acting ‘cool’, or one or two successes on a Trillion dollar plus budget is unacceptable behavior. Failure to unite is not a plus on a resume.

        Our seated President has behaved just like the AIG, Goldman Sachs and GM CEO’s behaved. Precisely even in detail, identifying with wealth, vacationing w/ wealth, transferring wealth to his investors, educating his children alongside wealth and insulating himself from the poor while pointing them out to his detractors.
        America was very disappointed before the last debate.

        quoting speeches written by others, without them controlling our briefing session or ignoring a question or campaign slogans propped across their chest. Would anyone appear for a job interview read a speech written by someone else to make you look good, or do any of these things? But that’s all we’ve heard.

        We disagree that Obama did his best or that he appeared as a prime candidate at his job interview.

        • anna

          Your “Job Interview” analogy begs the question…

          Should the Employer hire either one of these 2 potential employees, when BOTH of their “plans” will Bankrupt his Company?

          It seems to me that BOTH of these potential employees come from the SAME Job Placement Sectors – Wall Street and Government!

          Let’s look at their Resumes and Qualifications…

          Neither one of these potential employees has any military “experience” – yet the employer needs to hire a Commander-In-Chief who will abide by the employer’s Company Handbook (The Constitution). However, both of these potential employees support “usurping” the Handbook in order to enrich their “friends” – most of whom gives the employee’s “Interview Money” so they can “look good”. This money is used to make-up-lies to go to War and to commit Mass Murder on people who did nothing to the Employer.

          BOTH of these potential employees supported “Government Fascism” by supporting the Bailouts for “Private” Industries/Companies/Corporations – even when the employer said “Don’t do it! We have a Free Market Economy and Bankruptcy Laws which will sort out all these problems.” Yet, these 2 potential employees told the employer – SCREW YOU!

          BOTH of these potential employees support their Government “removing” the employer’s freedoms and liberties by supporting/signing/passing LAWS like the NDAA, the Patriot Act and the Anti-Trespass Bill – not to mention CISPA and SOPA. They said it’s to keep you safe – yet the only thing that was accomplished in 2011 is to agree to indefinitely detain the Employer and to take away his right to an attorney.

          BOTH of these potential employees support the IRS which sends “agents” to harass the employer and to “take away” the employer’s property and what the employer has accumulated.

          BOTH of these potential employees support the “money-printing” FED, which is now “pumping” $45 BILLION a MONTH into the economy – devaluing the employers currency and shrinking his ability to SAVE some money and to have his money have some kind of purchasing power.

          BOTH of these potential employees have a “plan” to create jobs. But the employer KNOWS that he is the one who creates the jobs. Yet, these 2 potential employees want to take HIS MONEY to create jobs. “Hmmm” says the employer. He scratches his chin and a light bulb goes on above his head. The Employer realizes that these 2 potential employees want HIS JOB – and they’re gonna take HIS MONEY and hire FOX News and MSNBC to get it done.

          • Goethe Behr: I’m rolling at the humor of your truth. I agree w/ your discussion. Here are some issues which no President can alter.

            The US Govt. exists because of Wall Street. Wall Street or a form of it can exist without government. Or it can co-habitat w/ government. Shut down Wall Street and I can still walk up to anyone, determine if they know what they’re doing and if they get out of bed every morning and loan them money to start a business, ask for a return on demand and pay taxes on any profits. That’s the foundation of a Wall Street.

            300 unemployed will line up for a few jobs at the door of the risk taking entrepreneur I loaned the money to. No govt. needed.
            The govt. will benefit by taking taxes from both employer and employees to pay for Govt.
            I think everyone wins.

            The perversities of Wall Street, are they any different from the perversities in government?

            Government might try to regulate me and then I won’t invest because I can’t spend my money the way I want to or the return is delayed or lessened. The very wealthy don’t work because they have to. They work because they want to. They like the risk, the creativity and challenges of making things work and paying themselves their own salary. Their only salary increases are determined by success and work, are unlimited, not prescribed on a calendar or guaranteed, promised or a condition of starting a business.

            Those who don’t like risk will always opt for a regular check.

            Jealousy and envy, covetousness of wealth is nothing to be proud of much less legislate the risk takers and wealthy into mediocrity. Ask any smart-phone owner, would you stop buying them, so their inventors wouldn’t be so rich? Now that the smart-phone people are rich do you want some of their money without working for them?

            Wall Street will recover before government does.
            Government is a dependent like the Employee is the dependent.
            Governments and Employees would rather run things.
            But they don’t want the risks.

            There’s problem when a government, who is really an Employee or the Employee of a small business begins to think the Employer is working for the Employee.
            That doesn’t work because the Employee is likely to get upset working overtime for no pay and paychecks are erratic.

            Unless the government hoards the gold for a restart the government remains dependent and disgruntled.
            China just bought 250 ton’s of gold to add to their coffers while a great portion of their citizen’s remain living in huts with their chickens. The Chinese government is not disgruntled.

            Government can’t exist w/o Wall Street but Wall Street can exist w/o govt.

            I agree w/ you as regards the wild unaccountability of the Federal reserve. On the day of Ben Bernake’s most recent announcement that the Federal reserve had overridden Congress, voters, every Govt. oversight committee and common sense, the pictures of Bernake revealed a fallen face. Described as ” pained “.
            Unlimited money printing is the last act. There is no kitchen sink big enough.

            Obama went silent as did Congress.
            The debates didn’t mention this world changing unprecedented action.
            President Obama gave no speeches about it…for a, noticeable, change.
            Yet, silenced by the media, the Employer of the President, was stunned at the announcement when their largest investor, the Federal Reserve, told the Employer, ” funds would be made available without limit. ”
            to your Employee.

            The Employer wondered when the investor would have to be paid back.
            But the investor holds his cards close to his chest and has gave no account.
            Not a date of repayment, the interest rate, or the size of each payment or the currency of the repayment has been mentioned. This investor seems unworried that it will get all of it’s investment back with interest and late fees.

            Spend is the message.
            As much as you like.
            We’ll be in touch….We know where to find you.
            We have every application for every bank account and every loan and every currency transaction.

            But what is the penalty for anyone who can’t repay the Federal Reserves’ ” unlimited ” investment?
            Is it a trap or a benevolent benefactor arrived in the nick of time?
            Will our children really have to pay back the debt?
            Or will we?
            What if the poor won’t be able to pay their share back?
            Surely every one will have to pay.

            Perhaps this investor in government will initiate a hostile takeover.
            In corporations investor’s always buy more stock, invest more heavily, just before they commence a takeover. Then they appoint their own people and fire the President and CEO’s.
            Just what the President and his CEO’s disparage Romney for.
            Maybe this President and Employee doesn’t understand that’s what business does.
            Profit is a necessity.

            The Employer is running out of money. The Employee is demanding a larger paycheck from the only ones left who could afford more! The wealthy. A 100% tax rate on 1% of the pop. will pay for 75 days of government. Less days if the Employee decides to send more money.
            Less days if the wealthy decide to retire, spend on land, or control segments of society by donating lots of money away or use endowments, foundations and trusts to preserve wealth.

            Who gives a greater percentage then they keep?
            Seems unfair.

            An economy within an economy.

            The greed since 2008 just may have exceeded all other greed.
            The figures would appear to confirm that.
            Code word for greed is ‘ accumulating debt ‘
            We accumulate debt because we buy. Too much

            Too much is not enough. Mania is becoming evident. You know the crash is imminent when $1.6 Trillion given to friends is not enough. You know there will be a crash bigger then you imagined when $4 Trillion is not too much to hoard or scatter about w/ no accountability while crying debt.
            With an ” unlimited ” money supply, why not ask your Employer to keep you on, at least to see what no other human being has ever had the chance to see.
            What you can do with unlimited money and Executive Authority.

            Phantom corporations are springing up and crashing as the ink is drying on the investment check from the Employee seated in Washington who eloquently disses the Employer as unable to build anything without him.

            Gov, Romney is saying two things.
            I learned how to work and make a lot of money myself and to go into a financial collapse and make it become profitable.
            I can at least delay the inevitable crash by redirecting money back to the Employer so we can hire more people instead of allowing the favored to amass new fortunes or hoard what was yours.

            Someone will have to produce people who pay taxes.
            Not more taxes or higher taxes. Those are limited.

            More people paying any tax at all will exponentially balloon government income and make for people happy to go to work because they get to keep more money.
            The success of that will in part rely on those who don’t work but could, to begin living on the budget of their personal provider; a parent, spouse until pressures convince them to go to work or school.

            The largest investor will stop printing money the same day people say it’s worthless. Whether that be a creditor, an investor, or people buying high priced goods on small paychecks. We’re playing the biggest game of musical chairs in our history.

            When the largest investor finds no one will accept his currency he will stop printing money.
            The investor could do that overnight.

            But the investor will want to get it’s investment back, even though it was only paper and zinc. So, the next day, after the investor shuts down and melts down it’s paper printing presses, it will offer something people will want to buy. Gold and silver perhaps. Or it will demand repayment.

            This last ditch effort to maintain ” the stall ” of the promised collapse of the monetary system has been in motion for decades.

            Harry Brown ran for the Presidency on the libertarian ticket and was a self made economist. He wrote a handful of books on money and economy. He wrote them in everyday language so people could understand him. Brown was contended with and nearly laughed off the Wall Street TV show. Buy his books if you can. They’re disappearing.

            Line for line Brown’s books have proven prophetical, unfolding exactly as he outlined. Brown died 5 yrs ago but his books still carry the original publication dates beginning in 1969. Evidence this decline was visible to some then.

            Each President has blamed the previous President.
            Brown’s publication dates adequately and shamelessly prove the blaming and finger pointing incomprehensibly naive and an embarrassment to anyone who has believed former Pres. Bush alone started a financial decline.
            This current decline began in the year 1967. It nearly succumbed to failure in 1980.
            Reagan rescued it so it wasn’t on his watch but I don’t believe the movie actor understood that the government had created a monster that could not be fixed and economists couldn’t understand.
            So Reagan put his finger in the dike and everyone was grateful.
            Well not everyone. Not me certainly. We’d be recovered by now had we allowed reality.

            Obama liked Bush’s bailout’s and asked for bigger bailouts.
            Obama campaigned against war and then encouraged uprisings in other nations, cheering the rebellious on.

            This administration uses the same Bush economic and war system which Clinton, Carter, Reagan, LBJ, Kennedy, and earlier… used and tried to tweak. But war is the economy.The world has never not had a war somewhere and since WW II we have entered as many as we can.

            New buzz words, same practices, bigger or less spending, bigger and finally unlimited funds.
            There are two differences in Bush’s plan verses Obama’s maneuvering.
            Bush actually brought in more taxes then Obama.
            Obama kept that quiet, or didn’t know it.
            Bush lowered taxes and brought in more tax money. Then he spent it and more. But he kept the borrowing down more then it would have been, because of the increase in total taxes paid.
            Romney will do the same.
            Obama can’t. Voters would recognize Bush’s plan.
            Obama owns higher tax rates for the rich whether it works or not. It hasn’t worked in any other country and it was the cause of the fall of the Roman Empire.

            Secondly, Obama can call for tax increases to bring in even more money if people believe Bush lowered taxes and they assume Bush then collected less tax money.
            Which is untrue.
            Bush collected more taxes per year then President Obama’s administration has per year.

            The collapse was already in motion for decades. It was harder to see when it collapsed slowly.

            Obama in fact liked Bush’s borrowing for war and bail out system.
            He just referred to Bush putting 2 wars on a credit card.
            Then did the same thing.
            Drawing down the credit card financed troops in one country, bypassing Congress, and ‘ re-distributing ‘ the troops to new wars in other countries.

            Calling wars ‘ uprising’s ‘, rebellions as protests, overthrowing governments as new democracies emerging, transporting free weaponry to the poor and untrained and revengeful while asking for tighter gun controls on the citizen’s who make the weapons.

            Keeping the wars generating fortunes, wars we now actually celebrate as Arab Springs. We encourage and cheer the ‘protesters ‘ on, we report their bloodshed like we televised Vietnam.
            What’s Bush got to do with President Obama’s problems?
            The same thing Obama will have to do with his successor’s problems.

            The blame and promise formula works. People want to hope and help.
            But it’s not wisdom.

            I believe Obama always believed government is the answer because it was his answer.
            Govt. was and is his benevolent provider; for his education, his job teaching, the purchase of his home, his job as a Senator and the govt. car he drove and his medical and retirement plans and the paid holidays.
            Most of which self employed persons must pay for themselves, to themselves as well as both the Employee and the Employer portions of their income taxes.

            This President has taken the safety of programs and payroll checks instead of the risk of do it yourself.
            He projects his personal truth when he says ” You didn’t make that! Somebody helped you “.
            It was true for himself and his friends. He classified himself and didn’t get it.
            Every business owner in America recoiled and suddenly they got it, they understood the man in the oval Office and they knew he didn’t understand them or business or being an Employer or paying the Employers share of their Employees taxes.

            If you don’t understand business how can you understand taxes or budgets?
            Governments don’t pay taxes.
            This government didn’t pass a budget when they controlled all three branches of government.
            One wonders why. Maybe one day that will be answered.
            I think Romney understands budgets very well.

            For the Employee to reapply for the job is not unlike reapplying to a famed university when your grades are low.
            Probably the Board of the University is going to consider the applicant w/ higher grades and a strong attendance record.

            With Bernake’s announcement 2 weeks ago we have arrived in Harry Brown’s 1971 publication to a chapter titled Nothing is Unlimited.
            Not time, not money, not the government.
            Everything and every one is limited

            Warning’s included: no administration will want the last crash to occur on their watch; each administration will do whatever it takes to postpone the crash. They will do this for decades. The longer they delay the crash the longer the recovery. The longer the delay the less likely it will recover in your lifetime.

            In 1971 Brown also graphically explained the Weimar Republic, the need for precious metals to replace paper, the effect of people not working because they can’t be paid; bringing transportation, manufacturing of tools and tires, shoes and basic needs to a halt. He spoke of intrinsic value items.
            Other books are more recent publication dates.
            But the current diminished economy did not begin 12 years ago because George W. Bush over spent or when Obama overspent.

            Obama was honest when he promised a redistribution and transference of wealth.
            Sadly many who heard that believed he was talking to them.
            It appears his investors have profited on a scale that they could collectively become tomorrow’s lenders, land owners or new governing body.

            I believe Romney has the skills, understanding, people and practice to slow the crash down and allow many more to prepare to rebuild the nation after the crash.

            Perhaps neither is realistic.

            There will always be the under-serving who squander or won’t work or take from others.
            No government has ever eliminated the poor or fed every citizen. Ever.
            Is it really noble to borrow Trillions of dollars because you want everyone to have equal comforts and income?
            Is it noble to run up your credit cards because you like to give to the poor and then become poor as well?
            I’ll opt for another delay if it brings less suffering.

        • How easy it is for you to point the finger, Anna. Did the president “fail” our country as you so dramatically put it? We’re still here, aren’t we? And many still want to give him a second chance. Your definition of “fail” is always going to be different from someone else’s and your dramatic writing style.


          That’s what you and almost everybody else sounds like. Yes, history and the facts you arouse are great tools to help manage our monetary crisis, but didn’t anyone ever tell you life isn’t all about money?

          Listen. If everyone wants to speak accusingly to the president about “failure” and that he is OUR employee, maybe we should consider that We, “the Employers”, are making too many demands. Are you so swept up in all your money problems that you and 200+ million other people with money problems need to hire someone to take care of it for you? President Obama made a very key point in this debate about how government is meant to increase/create the opportunities for Americans to prosper and climb the economical ladder. That is exactly what he and most democrats are about. It is most unfortunate that they’re unable to do this without putting it all on The Credit Card. But what can you expect when our country is at the mercy of the Federal Reserve? ( <–for the layman)

          Romney's seeming inability to say "no" to some of the extremist republicans is just begging for more opportunities for the same kind of corruption that reeks in Capitol Hill's locker rooms. Oil, auto, energy, precious stones/metals, etc etc etc….offers are made, deals are done, someone high up couldn't resist saying "no" and here we are with skyrocketing gas prices(among other amenities that we "need").

          Get real. It is not that hard to be a successful American if you discipline yourself. As Mahatma Gandhi is well known to have said, "Be the change you want to see in the world…", it's not that hard to do if you actually take a minute to think about it. Many "independent" communities are sprouting up in the sticks of America, working towards self-sustainability. THEY are doing the hard work and living truly difficult lives just to get out from the thumb of the Federal Reserve. The real beef, Anna, should be with the Federal Reserve…not the presidents! And to be frank, if I were to find that one of the presidents were to flat out state they were going to get us out from the Federal Reserve, I would vote for them…instantly. All other issues are secondary to this fundamental crux of our downward spiraling economy.

          That is all and thank you for reading.

  52. Obama or Romney either good choice for america. Ron Paul is our best choice! STOP sending our money out to help other countries! STOP giving the militars more money for un-clear expenses! STOP our goverment creating panic and preparing false terrorism attack on american to get americans support on passing new laws that takes away our freedoms. Google “anti-Occupy law” and “National Defense Authorization Act” “USA Patriot Act and Phone Tapping” Our country is no longer what George Washington and our ancestors fought for. We need to raise our country to the start of a new era, CONGRESS DOES NOT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE BUT FOR THE LOBBYIST’S BEST INTEREST.

  53. I incorrectly addressed my last, and very long, response to Goethe Behr.I was responding to DT. I apologize to Goethe Behr.

    • Have the American People been reduced again to vote for the “lesser of two evils” — are there no other options?

      My conscience cannot allow me to vote for the “lesser of two evils”, because, that means that an Evil will still get elected!

      1) The Barack is the evil we know — a Socialist minded professional politician that will have most of its venomous teeth pulled out when republicans win more seats this election. Thus, it will lack the ability to do much more damage than it’s done already. If the Barack is “elected” it will end its last term in a whimper.

      2) The Mitt — the evil we don’t know…yet. But all indicators are that it is supported by the Central Banks. And that it supports Israel unquestionably to the detriment of our own national security (will start more unconstitutional wars to protect Israel, not the USA).

      Should the Mitt win, we may be in bigger trouble — since it assured itself of no competition for the next republican nomination (see the false vote it made the GOP do on its behalf — THE TELEPROMPTER “KNEW” IN ADVANCE HOW THE VOTE WILL GO…SHAME, SHAME SHAME on the Mitt creature):


      So, unless we vote for Gary Johnson — who wants to restore Liberty and Prosperity, what would you get instead:

      Final four years of ‘toothless’ BO — or 8 more years of the Mitt (with the possibility it has groomed its spawn — 5 Mormon Sons — to keep the dynasty going) for many decades to come…?!

      • 2008 to 2012 has left this country bitter and divided.
        Vote for the person who understands money, how to make money and lives on a budget.
        Don’t complain their budget’s bigger then yours.
        Somebody’s always is.

        You don’t have to like him.
        Vote for the repair.
        Vote for a the best mechanic.
        Get the thing fixed so we can get ‘there’ from where we are.

          • Search Bain Capitol on Wikipedia and get the facts ( straight. )

            Romney exclusively bought businesses that were closing doors and firing everyone.
            Not some.

            Democrats want everyone to forget Bain Capitol
            They found out Romney saved thousands of jobs.

            Obama will never mention Bain again.

            And hasn’t.

            You can get sued for slandering a businesses reputation.

            And 47% really don’t pay taxes.
            The unemployed never do.

            Obama dropped that truth from his campaign as well.
            He owns the 47% not Romney.

            Obama bought the auto industry and 13,000 lost their jobs.
            Obama took over energy; oil rig workers, coal miners and pipeline builders lost their jobs.
            Obama bought 5 green energy companies; every single employee lost their job.

            All 5 of his energy companies went broke.
            He never mentioned the job losses.
            Obama bought a Trillion dollars of the health care industry.
            Doctor’s are no longer taking insurance policies from any company, demanding cash, refusing medicare patients and retiring early.

            • Anna:

              It appears that when Bain started, the actually helped some businesses, and that’s what Willard is pushing–“the early days.”

              But after awhile, her realized you could make a lot MORE money bo stripping the wealth out of companies.

              This really is an excellent, clear, and easy-to-follow tutorial on the PROCESS of Bain:


              If you don’t have an attention span, at least watch beginning at the 2 minute mark. It’s only 9 minutes total. Well worth the time.

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