Mitt Romney picked up delegates in 5 more states on Tuesday in California, New Jersey, South Dakota, New Mexico and Montana. The remaining primary will be on June 26 when Utah, the last state on the primary calendar, will vote.

Primary Results: CNN Election Center – June 5

Report from the Winston-Salem Journal:

Mitt Romney swept the five states holding Republican presidential primaries on Tuesday night — California, New Jersey, South Dakota, New Mexico and Montana.

The victories add to a delegate total that already exceeds the number needed to win the nomination. Romney has 1,398 delegates. He needs 1,144 to win the Republican nomination at the party’s national convention in August.

Romney will take on Democratic President Barack Obama in the fall.

After Tuesday, only one Republican presidential primary remains, in Utah on June?26.

Utah will wrap this up for Romney in a neat little bow. June will take us into the slow summer months where Romney and Obama will be sniping but, for the large part, the public won’t be paying much attention until August rolls around. We’ll be covering the race throughout the summer months as the rhetoric heats up.

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    • From the little I know I think it’s great. I don’t think it great though if Walker can rewrite a contract unilaterally. This is kind of what GM did and shafted the bondholders and hundreds of ma & pa shops while they go on making cars that just can’t compete.

  1. SSDP = Same Sh__, Different Politicians. When will Americans stop voting by the Name Fame and “anybody but” methods? Can’t fix stupid.

    • And they can’t be taught either, just try to find someone who voted for Nixon or didn’t vote for JFK. The American voter always votes for the winner.

    • Calling Americans stupid is such a wonderful way to change their voting habits! Have you considered a career in politics?

      • No that’s the easy way, the had way is coming.

        I got 16 trillions reasons to back up my statement, you need more?

  2. WELL… here we are.

    Another faked election number blurb from MSM and no mention of Ron Paul. CNN and FOX’s ratings have dropped dramatically this year as so many people using the net now see their lies and anti-Ron Paul BS that they’ve just stopped watching their MSM propaganda. Poor MSM. LOL

    Bring on Tampa and let Ron Paul speak to all. Maybe then MSM will finally be seen by the docile sheeple as the corporate BS voice they are.

    Long live freewill and self-determination.

    Ron Paul 2012

    • My understanding is that Ron Paul lost in part because there simply weren’t enough people out there to vote for him, or because many of those who expressed support for him on the internet did not bother to get into their cars and go into the voting booth. Alas, the internet, soundly won by Paul this year, sends no delegates to the convention and gets no one elected by itself!

      • KB:

        IMHO, the problem is that the “Ron Paul movement” has always been a cult of personality. It’s even called the “Ron Paul movement.” Politics is about organizing. Instead of focusing everything on Ron Paul, the movement should have groomed successors, and THEY should have run–with Ron Paul campaigning for THEM.

        And that is the problem. To Joe Schmo on the street, there’s this 76-year-old guy who seems to run all the time, and all they know is that establishment Republicans say he’s a nutcase.

        Why would the average person listen to him? The average person is looking for a job, or worried about losing it. The average person focuses on what the average person needs–which is, face it, how it should be. The problem with the Ron Paul campaign is that it never communicated to the average person–in clear, concise “bumper stickers” that sink in. Lectures are great for the knowledgeable, or those who have the time to listen, but for most people, you have to “dumb it down.” The message can be exactly the same, but try finding IMAGES that express what you want to say–and that includes “word images.”

        So it was a one-two punch–lack of recruiting CANDIDATES, and not stating the case simply and clearly enough to slam it into people’s heads. In 2016, I doubt that RP will run at the age of 80, and his son just doesn’t measure up. To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen: “we know Ron Paul, Ron Paul is a friend of ours, and Senator, you are no Ron Paul.”

      • My take is if he does lose it’s because the dumb a$$ voters don’t think what happened in Greece and Spain can happen here. So what’s a few 100 thousand board ups and vacant lots.
        So long as the printing press rolls on who needs tax money anyhow?

        The concentration camps are being constructed and the massive fence is being put up along the US border. A few of us see what is coming and have taken the Oath Keepers pledge but far too few. The Judas Goats are in place

  3. Without the need for a calculator, I’m going to say that with only 755 actual delegates, isn’t that only about half of what MSM say Romney has? Doesn’t he still need another 400 or so?

    I hope they’re bad at maths because they’re being paid to be and not as examples of the education system in the USA; or has corporate sponsorship gone so far that it’s now been renamed EduMACation? At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised.

    With affection. lol

  4. It is rather sad for USA and for US society that the only normal candidate Ron Paul has not majority. He was the only chance for USA and US nation and for the world. It seems that imbecyle from usa, who vote this Romney don´t understand it.

    • Well as you saw in Wi and maybe if you watched Calif, there are a lot of people who don’t want any change. If you had a plush government job with a strong union backing you up, well I can understand why you wouldn’t want any changes. Look the union bosses took a lot better care of their members than our elected officials took care of the country.

  5. I wonder if any of these idiots have ever heard of undeclared delegates… I guess all the people who are supposed to be covering the republican primaries have no clue what delegates are. Sucks this is their jobs and they have no clue how to even do it, lol.

    Romney DOES NOT have 1144 delegates, there is absolutely no question about that. MSN, CNN, this retarded site, all of them prey on the average American’s ignorance and unwillingness to look into things for themselves. Romney has 750, and Ron Paul has 230. It WILL be a broken convention and Ron Paul’s delegates WILL rule the floor. It will be like the movie 300. Romney’s delegates don’t even like him. Paul’s supporters know who they voted for and they make up the most loyal and energetic supporters of any presidential candidate in decades. You’ll never see the news report on that though.

  6. Notice how the Delegate Tracker in the upper right corner, shows that Romney only has about HALF of the delegates people think he has, and Ron Paul has TWICE as many as people think he has.

    (Just disregard the numbers to the left of it–provided by the Wall Street Urinal.)

  7. What is WSJ anyway? Wall Street Jerks? Just a guess. lol

    Behr

    MSM don’t want to tell the US populace the truth abut the numbers, or anything in the world as far as I know, just to keep them spoon-fed, dumbed-down and controlled. I believe Stalin and Hitler also used this tactic. Where are they now? lol

    As Shakespeare once wrote, The Truth Will Out. Sooner or later, the people always gets to know what lies they’ve been fed. Afteral, who here thinks that Oswald killed Kennedy? Time and tide turn men to dust, and shine truth glorious golden.

    If Ron Paul can get his voice heard in Tampa, and so in front of everyone, they this MSM BS will crumble and fall. That in of itself may inspire a mini riot or uproar.

    Ah well… lol

    • DT:

      Scares me. We voted in Obama because he said he was going to END the wars, and look what we got.

      But Slick Willard is PROMISING wars. Another Chicken Hawk just ITCHING to send our guys to some BFE to kill and die, for no good reason, with no end in sight.

        • Billy:

          I’m not so sure. This year has shown that money buys votes. Period.

          And Rmoney is projected to have at least TWICE the war chest of Obama in the fall.

          Of course, it took up to 17-to-one spending for Slick Willard to win some of the primaries, but I figure if they put a new chip in his plastic head, forcing him NOT to go off script, he should have this one, since EVERYTHING will have to go right for Obama for FIVE full months for him to survive.

          The economies of Europe are teetering. Even China’s growth has dramatically slowed.

          Meanwhile, we keep killing civilians with our video game missile strikes, and there are a dozen countries where things could blow up.

          Meanwhile, the gays will be screaming for more rights increasingly, and Occupy plans to disrupt the Dem convention, so the frightened public will have a resigned desire for the droning robot consistency of WMR, Inc.

          With all these conditions, and more, even a hand puppet like Willard Mittens Rmoney should be able to win in a walk.

          • All sounds good but we saw what it took in Wi for Walker to pull it off. He had to get Dem votes. To do that he had to cave in to union demands and wage a class warfare where brother fights brother. He like Lincoln did it but I don’t think Romney can get those Dem votes, hell he will be lucky to get enough GOP voters motivated to vote let along the Dems to vote for him.

    • DT —

      Read this book by Stefan Zweig “The World of Yesterday”.

      I read this nostalgic historical events book about 30 year ago — and still remember some notable points that may soon become true again!

      After WWI — Germany’s inflation got so bad, that they reached the point of printing money on just one side of the paper (to save on the cost of ink)! That is FACTUALLY verifiable!

      I can’t recall the exact numbers — but seems that one egg cost One Million Marks. I do recall that clerks used the blank side of the printed money as notation pads (since buying regular paper would cost much more)!

      One passage has been imbedded in my mind — A German woman going to the grocery store leaves her wicker basket full of hundreds of millions of paper Marks outside the door (since it is so heavy to carry). After exiting, she finds her basket stolen.

      Just the basket — since it had intrinsic value — not the paper money, which was dumped on the street!

    • Ron Paul MUST win a 5 state delegate plurality to be seated at Tampa! This is the ONLY GOAL all of us need to concentrate at this time! (Why do you think the GOP is pulling all stops to prevent this — because, once at the RNC Convention, Ron Paul will neuter this scum! And his supporters — the Real Americans — will surround the convention in the hundreds of thousands)!

      This has to be IMBEDDED IN ALL OUR MINDS — Get Ron Paul seated in Tampa! Nothing else is as important as this!

      After Tampa…depending on what transpires — other options (independent) for Ron Paul may be discussed (BUT NOT NOW)!

        • Goethe — there used to be 11 states. But the GOP Masters have been able to negate, delay, and challenge about 7 so far.

          The needed 5th was Louisiana, that was won by Ron Paul (but the Minority, which under GOP rules cannot have a quorum, was proclaimed by the OUSTED Chair as a win for THEM and a loss for Ron Paul).

          LA will now be sending 2 slates to Tampa (to be determined by the RNC which SLATE is valid in late August!) — the Duly Elected Ron Paul delegates, and the Impostor delegates!

          Unless something is done NOW — to STOP this PERFIDY (yes, I love this word!) this delay tactic will remove the State of LA as a Ron Paul lock until it is too late!

          Now, our hopes are placed in the Texas Convention (let’s see what pitfalls and frauds the Rmoney camp has prepared there)!

          Here is what transpired in Louisiana’s GOP Puppet-run Convention!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkZLIuC9wzU&feature=player_embedded

          • My guess is that the national GOP will seat the Louisiana Ron Paul slate–if it doesn’t make a difference. Also expect to see a “compromise” in which BOTH slates will be seated–with half-votes. And the LA establishment top dog will be invited as the “chairman” of the slate.

            That ABC affiliate report was actually a pro-Paul report, spending almost all its airtime on the majority position, calling them the majority, and noting that it was now up to the national dispute committee to decide.

            The reason I have been harping on the fact that the media are lazy is that ALL they care about is ratings. And ratings come from CONFLICT. Ron Paul supporters should be providing EVIDENCE of fraud (conflict) to the media right NOW.

            At this point, the media think the nomination has been settled–because that’s what the GOP establishment is telling them. They are lazy. They report what they’re told. And now that the race is “over,” they have NOTHING to report. It is what newsmen used to call a “slow news day.” They are LOOKING for any conflict to report.

            So instead of being paranoid and hating the media, Ron Paul supporters should realize the media just need to be thrown some red meat. Show them some respect. Get them to look at your evidence. Make it a scoop for one outlet. Tell them what to ask the establishment about the evidence. They’re lazy. They need to be led. But they are not really biased–they just want ratings. Give them the conflict they need to report, and you’ll be their best buddy.

  8. Billy

    Maybe a fitting song, and especially the title, for the bankster/PNAC puppeteers, and their Rep/Dem puppets (The Kenyan Obomber and the immigrant Obomney), could be Yngwie Malmsteen’s ‘Disciples of Hell’.

    A personal favourite of mine that they are more than welcome to take on board as their anthem. I’d suggest it to them if I knew their email addy. LOL

    • Hey, I’m all for electing the meanest barracuda in the water if he goes after other countries to bring home the bacon. Trouble is the barracudas we elect go after us, the people who put the in office.

    • Try, all of you, to comprehend this SIGNIFICANCE!

      Unless we assure a Ron Paul seating at Tampa — in order to expose nationwide and worldwide, the SCUM that has occupied our government — we’ll have a one-man-puppet-show (Rmoney “debating” himself, and winning)!

      • How – help me out – I have tried to do my own homework on how the assignment of delegates works along with the whole process but it is quite confusing and I seem to come up at some dead ends. What can each person do to help make this happen?

        • Erik:

          The primary system is a mess. The media watch the primary elections, in which people from all over the state vote. But that’s not where the delegates are selected. Sometimes there’s a separate caucus and/or convention that picks the actual delegates. Sometimes there’s a primary that doesn’t matter, then a caucus that does matter, and then a convention that is based on, but not limited by, the caucus. Cf, Louisiana.

          If you want to know what you can do, the first thing is to study the issues. Write your opinions and inform others. More importantly, find out about the system, and how it works. Then RUN as a delegate, or at least get involved in the caucus or convention.

  9. Unless the GOP Establishment (the corrupt Old Guard trying to save their money-milking positions) finally accede that Ron Paul has won a 5 State Plurality (which he did before all their frauds kicked in), and thus IS OFFICIALLY INVITED TO BE SEATED AT the RNC CONVENTION in TAMPA — Let Them Know WE WILL NEVER ACCEPT THE TRAVESTY OF A ONE-MAN-PUPPET-SHOW of Mittney talking to himself there!

    WE WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM — If he is not willing to allow Ron Paul to have his say!

  10. RAND Paul a Traitor — or Family Savior?

    Declaring his endorsement of Perfidy Mitt (within 3 days after the Biderberg Gang meeting ended).
    —————————————————————————

    1) At the Bilderberg Gang’s meeting near DC — their gang-members were freely discussing in the lobby of the hotel (for all to hear) best ways to kill Ron Paul and his top supporters. (Why would they do that openly, unless they were sending a CLEAR Message — desist, or perish).

    2) Hotel staff reported (unverified as of yet) that they saw the Mitt sneaking in and attending this Gang of NWO manipulators’ meeting. If true, that he attended, ON TOP of the VERIFIED List of Top US Officials, that were party to this meeting (The Director of NSA, Senator John Kerry, The Governor of Indiana, and others) whose only goal is to Destroy the USA, and usher a One World Government instead — the message, that our OWN Top Officials are PART of this Gang, sends a CRYSTAL CLEAR Signal that they can cover up anything they want (such as an “accidental” airplane crash, or “food” poisoning)!

    3) Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in 1983 shot down by the Soviets — remember the main stream media hullabaloo about this unfortunate “mistake” where innocent civilians died???
    No-one ever mentioned, and still few know, that the Most Dangerous Person to the NWO Gang, was on board that plane — the President of the John Birch Society!

    If they have the power to alert the USSR in 1983, to shoot down this plane, and guarantee them that ALL Western Governments (including our own) will REPORT it as an “Unfortunate Mistake” (which is what transpired then) — isn’t that a clear show of might, that they can do anything they want to ANYONE (and our corrupt government will do their best to cover it up)!
    ——————————————————————————

    So, did Rand Paul betray his Father — or is he trying to save his life!

    • Turn out the lights.

      The party’s over. I find it hard to believe that Rand would endorse Romney unless his Dad really had given up.

      Sounds like Ron sent the boy out first. Now, when Ron says Willard is the Second Coming of George Washington, we won’t be surprised.

      • Goethe —

        Ron Paul will never endorse the Mittney! RP is 76 — so can tell the NWO enablers to GO TO HELL!

        • I’m not so sure.

          Yesterday’s front page, main story on the official Ron Paul site (http://www.ronpaul2012.com/) is that Ron Paul has conceded that he won’t be president.

          That’s an odd thing to say, considering that (a) no one has the required pledged votes, and (b) there’s still a lot of dispute as to what “pledged” means. We’re still two months from the convention and a lot of things have been happening. Why give up now??

          Throughout the primaries, RP slashed Rmoney’s opponents. I don’t remember hearing him attack Slick Willard. Do you have any examples of RP doing a serious attack on Rmoney?

      • I don’t recall The BO resorting to such obvious strong-arm measures — seems the Usurper of the White House will depend on the Fixed Electronic Voting Machines to assure his win in 2012!

        But, the Mttney has displayed total disregard (and this video below is a most severe proof) HOW TRANSPARENTLY OBVIOUS HIS FRAUDS MAY BE, since he depends on the MSM to cover them up — in order to steal the Republican Nomination away from the ONLY TRUE AMERICAN, Ron Paul!

        After witnessing the months of frauds done on his behalf, does he TRULY expect THE REAL AMERICANS to vote for him (or is he just nuts)?!

        Here is Fox News *Reality Check* latest:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvS2DYoAF_4&feature=player_embedded

        • It should be noted that WXIX is not some “podunk” station in the back woods.

          It’s the Fox affiliate in Cincinnati, Ohio.

      • As I don’t think his endorsement carries that much weight it might have been best to what………..? ? ? Guess he could have come out and said “I cannot support such a shyster”. I don’t know what his platform was when he ran in Ky. Status quo GOP or more like his father? ?

        • I will inform THEM, as I’m doing now (and they can read it here, since all internet posts are read and filed by our own government to some Alphabet Agency…that has already made profiles of us all) that what the Bilderberg Gang can do to a FEW of us, we the Many, may just do the same to their ALL their Members (their list of International Criminals has been posted)!

          In PLAIN WORDS — You, the New World Order Disciples, may kill some of us, but never ALL Real Americans! WARNING to all such One World Government Gangs— kill one of us, and start your OWN ENDING (we know you by Name and Place (just like you do us), but there are Millions of US, vs you, Few SUBHUMAN Creatures!

          All True Americans — Fight for what’s Right! Ron Paul to Win in Tampa —or else…!

  11. Here are the Anti-Americans that attended the NWO meeting by the Bilderberg Gang!

    Bilderberg Meetings

    Chantilly, Virginia, USA, 31 May-3 June 2012

    Final List of Participants

    Chairman
    FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

    DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
    GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays plc
    USA Ajami, Fouad Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
    USA Alexander, Keith B. Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency
    INT Almunia, Joaquín Vice-President – Commissioner for Competition, European Commission
    USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners
    PRT Amado, Luís Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF)
    NOR Andresen, Johan H. Owner and CEO, FERD
    FIN Apunen, Matti Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
    TUR Babacan, Ali Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs
    PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister
    FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
    FRA Béchu, Christophe Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire
    BEL Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of
    TUR Berberoglu, Enis Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper
    ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia
    GBR Boles, Nick Member of Parliament
    SWE Bonnier, Jonas President and CEO, Bonnier AB
    NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
    AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt
    SWE Carlsson, Gunilla Minister for International Development Cooperation
    CAN Carney, Mark J. Governor, Bank of Canada
    ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País
    AUT Cernko, Willibald CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG
    FRA Chalendar, Pierre André de Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain
    DNK Christiansen, Jeppe CEO, Maj Invest
    RUS Chubais, Anatoly B. CEO, OJSC RUSNANO
    CAN Clark, W. Edmund Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group
    GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice
    USA Collins, Timothy C. CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
    ITA Conti, Fulvio CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A.
    USA Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E. Governor of Indiana
    USA DeMuth, Christopher Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute
    USA Donilon, Thomas E. National Security Advisor, The White House
    GBR Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc
    ITA Elkann, John Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
    DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus
    USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co.
    AUT Faymann, Werner Federal Chancellor
    DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
    USA Ferguson, Niall Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University
    GBR Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
    CHN Fu, Ying Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs
    IRL Gallagher, Paul Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel
    USA Gephardt, Richard A. President and CEO, Gephardt Group
    GRC Giannitsis, Anastasios Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens
    USA Goolsbee, Austan D. Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business
    USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
    ITA Gruber, Lilli Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV
    INT Gucht, Karel de Commissioner for Trade, European Commission
    NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
    USA Harris, Britt CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas
    USA Hoffman, Reid Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
    CHN Huang, Yiping Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University
    USA Huntsman, Jr., Jon M. Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation
    DEU Ischinger, Wolfgang Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE
    RUS Ivanov, Igor S. Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council
    FRA Izraelewicz, Erik CEO, Le Monde
    USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard
    USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
    USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard
    USA Karp, Alexander CEO, Palantir Technologies
    USA Karsner, Alexander Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc
    FRA Karvar, Anousheh Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies
    RUS Kasparov, Garry Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia)
    GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords
    USA Kerry, John Senator for Massachusetts
    TUR Keyman, E. Fuat Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University
    USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
    USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
    TUR Koç, Mustafa Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
    DEU Koch, Roland CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE
    INT Kodmani, Bassma Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council
    USA Kravis, Henry R. Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
    USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
    INT Kroes, Neelie Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda
    USA Krupp, Fred President, Environmental Defense Fund
    INT Lamy, Pascal Director-General, World Trade Organization
    ITA Letta, Enrico Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD)
    ISR Levite, Ariel E. Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    USA Li, Cheng Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution
    USA Lipsky, John Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University
    USA Liveris, Andrew N. President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company
    DEU Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG
    USA Lynn, William J. Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc.
    GBR Mandelson, Peter Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel
    USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
    DEN Mchangama, Jacob Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS)
    CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group
    USA Mehlman, Kenneth B. Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
    GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
    FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations
    PRT Moreira da Silva, Jorge First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD)
    USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
    DEU Nass, Matthias Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
    NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
    ESP Nin Génova, Juan María Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank
    IRL Noonan, Michael Minister for Finance
    USA Noonan, Peggy Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
    FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc
    USA Orszag, Peter R. Vice Chairman, Citigroup
    GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitri Managing Director, Titan Cement Co.
    NLD Pechtold, Alexander Parliamentary Leader, Democrats ’66 (D66)
    USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
    NLD Polman, Paul CEO, Unilever PLC
    CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. Chair, Torys LLP
    ISR Rabinovich, Itamar Global Distinguished Professor, New York University
    GBR Rachman, Gideon Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times
    USA Rattner, Steven Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC
    CAN Redford, Alison M. Premier of Alberta
    CAN Reisman, Heather M. CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
    DEU Reitzle, Wolfgang CEO & President, Linde AG
    USA Rogoff, Kenneth S. Professor of Economics, Harvard University
    USA Rose, Charlie Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
    USA Ross, Dennis B. Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy
    POL Rostowski, Jacek Minister of Finance
    USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
    NLD Rutte, Mark Prime Minister
    ESP Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya Vice President and Minister for the Presidency
    NLD Scheffer, Paul Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University
    USA Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
    AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
    FRA Senard, Jean-Dominique CEO, Michelin Group
    USA Shambaugh, David Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University
    INT Sheeran, Josette Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum
    FIN Siilasmaa, Risto Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation
    USA Speyer, Jerry I. Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer
    CHE Supino, Pietro Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG
    IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
    USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital
    TUR Timuray, Serpil CEO, Vodafone Turkey
    DEU Trittin, Jürgen Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens
    GRC Tsoukalis, Loukas President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy
    FIN Urpilainen, Jutta Minister of Finance
    CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG
    INT Vimont, Pierre Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service
    GBR Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
    SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB
    USA Warsh, Kevin Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
    GBR Wolf, Martin H. Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
    USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company
    CAN Wright, Nigel S. Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister
    USA Yergin, Daniel Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates
    INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group

    Rapporteurs
    GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist
    GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Foreign Correspondent, The Economist

    • Chantilly – Theories are now being spread around that the Bilderberg Conference is actually illegal. All attendees could literally be arrested for breaking a certain law.
      Every year corporate CEO’s, international lawmakers, major banksters, royalty and leaders of countries worldwide attend the Bilderberg Conference.
      This exclusive meeting has always, in the past, been shrouded in secrecy. Now people are theorizing that by meeting “off the record” as they do, they are actually breaking a very important U.S. law.
      As reported on Digital Journal the 2012 Conference is currently running. That article lists the current list of attendees, with some very important people included.
      Due to the secrecy surrounding previous meetings, little is known about what is discussed. However, some journalists and rogue reporters have managed, over the years, to infiltrate the event, or learned from insiders what the various subjects under discussion were.

      • The Logan Act
        “Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both…”

        To be absolutely clear –Any citizen without United States authority who speaks intentionally of influence with foreign government officials about disputes or controversies any country has with America shall be fined and imprisoned.

        Americans attending the Bilderberg conference in Chantilly, Virginia this past weekend violated the Logan Act. Given this is America these individuals are innocent until proven guilty, however that is a process for the courts. Each American citizen attending the meeting should prove to a jury of his or her peers that in fact they did not engage discussion with foreign government officials with the intent to influence the conduct of that foreign government in the context of an existing dispute or controversy with the United States. It is not up to executive branch officials, legislators, police, military or media to decide their guilt or innocence –it is up to the courts. That being said, it seems clear sufficient probable cause, motive and opportunity exists to issue arrest warrants.

    • so basicly you just put together a list of random names together and call them “NWO’
      people you need to get your lives in order, stop hating, and start putting your support behind the winning guy, I am sure we all can agree we don’t want Obama in office another term and according to the real count R-O-M-N-E-Y ( some people don’t know how to spell his name, you know they never got past kindergarten or something like that) is less than 40 away, all of which i think we can agree he is going to get. Ron Paul is just not going to get it, and I can guarantee that Ron Paul is going to support Romney.
      you get paid to do this right, its the only reason i can think of, that you are all still at this…

      • Manhunter:

        It’s about character. Believing in a cause. Not just “winning.”

        The essence of Rmoney (and you know why we spell it that way) is to win at any price. To say anything you have to say to win. To do anything you have to say to win. To destroy anything and anyone in order to get whatever he happens to want this week. An opportunist of the highest order.

        The nomination has not been fully purchased at this point, so it is quite appropriate for men of conscience to stand for something–at least until the battle has been lost. If nothing else, the effort of Ron Paul’s supporters is to create a platform of ideals on which Willard will have to run. Personally, I think that’s a waste of time, since his ideals have always been disposable as soon as they have become disadvantageous in some (any) way for him. And history has shown that platforms are not worth the paper on which they are written.

        As for Surfisher’s NWO list, it is anything but random. The only mistake he made was in not citing his source. I’m not saying I agree with everything Surf says, but one cannot deny that his fervent dedication, and to suggest that he’s being paid is just ludicrous, aside from being unnecessarily insulting.

        Goldwater famously said, “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” Regarding Rmoney, one might slightly paraphrase the second half of that quote to say, “and PANDERING in the pursuit of A PRIZE is no virtue.”

      • Did Ron Paul give his support to Bush?

        Could be we need a few less educated people running things in DC as we all know what the highly educated ones have done thus far. Those Greeks are pretty smart too, going to be interesting to see just how smart they are.

        • Billy:

          I Googled all over the place, and I can’t see where Ron Paul endorsed George Bush. Maybe he slid under the radar and the establishment didn’t think it was necessary He was just one of over 400 reps to them, and it was clear that he wouldn’t endorse the wooden man or Kerry.

          Rand is different because (a) he’s a senator, (b) he’s in a state that could conceivably vote for the Democratic candidate before hell froze over, and (c) the GOP establishment cares what Rand thinks.

          The GOP establishment sees him as young and malleable. Step number one was to tell him if he wanted to have a future, he’d better bow to Willard. Rand thinks he can compromise and apologize and kiss butt and maintain his integrity. Follies of youth.

          I think Ron Paul just didn’t bother to comment on whether he “endorsed” Bush.

          • My post was in response to another that stated RP would support Romney. Guess I answered with a question, something I do all too often. Maybe that’s why I’m still single, LOL.

      • MNHNTR

        Sorry. But you can’t spell the “Champion of the 1 Percent” – Romney – without the word “money” – thus his name is Rmoney.

        What do you have “In Common” with Rmoney anyway? If elected, he’s only going to “Look Out” for the Rich Bankers and the Elitists. He could “Care-Less” about you and me – he like any other Politician that only wants your vote. If you look at the Policies, Rmoney and Obummer are the SAME! Wake Up and get your head out of the Right/Left Paradigm. And STOP watching FOX New or listening to Rush Limbaugh. They will only make you STUPID!

    • DT — he is missing the tactics.

      Of course Rand discussed it with Ron, before going national!

      (placate Rmoney’s storm troopers, and avoid the Bilderberg assassination promise).

    • These guys are nuts.

      Rmoney is NOT ever, ever, ever going to consider RP for VP. Never, never, never. Silly amateur political wishful thinking.

      If I were to bet, I’d say Rmoney will pick Walker, since he’s the current darling, and has shown that he can suck up to the billionaires better than anyone.

      However, I am beginning to think that Rmoney and Ron Paul had a deal going into this–to have Paul snipe at Rmoney’s challengers, one by one. But NO way would Rmoney pick RP for VP, and more importantly, why on earth would RP want a job that has been called more worthless than “a warm bucket of (spit)”?

      I think Paul was promised Secretary of Treasury early on, and he stayed in the race to fend off Willards opponents–and to keep Willard “honest” (as if that were possible).

      I expect to hear a “leak” to this effect before the convention, to keep RP’s adamant supporters from fighting at the convention.

      As for Rand, he’s cuter than a button and wants to play the game to get ahead.

      • I agree with you that RP didn’t even make tho long list for VP but I don’t know about Rand. He was not the GOP pick of the litter in Ky but he sure was popular when it came vote time. However, his platform was the same as any politician running. (Smaller government, lower taxes etc). He was backed by the tea party and they too were popular.

        Now Rand is a GOP ans it seems there is only one GOP candidate still in the race soooo………

  12. Hey have you guys clicked on the R12DC link lately? I would if I was you guys. I has been updated, they have not updated it on this site yet.

  13. Never mind they just updated it, and with Texas, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky this weekend… it does not look good for Ron Paul.

    • Logan:

      If Rand and Ron had not caved, there could have been a fight. Most people don’t realize that the primaries and caucuses don’t usually PICK the delegates, and that the delegates are NOT “bound” to vote for the people picked by the primary voters. There COULD have been an honest fight on the floor–the first since Chicago, 1968.

      It’s not that I want to see chaos, but it would be nice to see some honest discussion. Every convention since 1968 has just been a scripted TV show–not even as spontaneous as “reality tv.”

      • Yeah but your boy Walker had to cave in to the police & fire unions to pull off the win in Wi. That’s why I think the country is over the edge. It would take a RP to stop the fall but it’s too late. Just too many voters don’t remember Chicken Little. (Big government & a massive army spread all over the world will protect them)

        Remember RP’s response to protection, “That’s why you have the 2nd amendment”

  14. It is sad that there is ni]o mention of ron paul in the post. There should be based on how many comments talk about ron paul. I wish people would take the time to inform themselves and not be so influenced by media that ignores him.

      • Billy Malone

        Directly from Ron Paul Media:

        The CBO Sees the Economic Cliff Ahead

        Last week the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) issued its annual long-term budget outlook report, and the 2012 numbers are not promising. In fact, the CBO estimates that federal debt will rise to 70% of GDP by the end of the year– the highest percentage since World War II. The report also paints a stark picture of entitlement spending, as retiring Baby Boomers will cause government spending on health care, Social Security, and Medicare to explode as a percentage of GDP in coming years.

        While the mainstream media correctly characterized the CBO report as highly pessimistic, they also ignored longstanding errors of methodology in CBO estimates. And those errors tend to support arguments for higher taxes and government spending, when in fact America needs exactly the opposite.

        As Paul Roderick Gregory explained in a recent Forbes column (http://tinyurl.com/cf746dl), CBO has always applied wrongheaded assumptions inherent in Keynesian economics when forecasting future deficits – no matter how many times both history and economic theory have proven such assumptions incorrect. In particular, CBO seems wedded to two enduring Keynesian myths: First, that higher taxes necessarily increase federal revenue and have no negative effect on the economy; and second, that lower government spending hurts the economy. Neither is true, of course.

        CBO also fails to factor in unexpected wars and expensive foreign entanglements, and we should not assign too much validity to predictive models based on peace. Judging from the actions and rhetoric coming from both parties in Washington, new military entanglements in Syria and Iran may well spike military spending in coming years.

        Despite these sobering budget realities, the CBO report suggests that a solution is possible with merely a few minor adjustments in the way Congress handles economic issues. But what we need are not minor adjustments, but rather a fundamental shift in our philosophy of government. If we could come to our senses about the proper role of government in America, and what level of government interference is appropriate in a free economy, we would quickly find that there is no reason for government to spend so much, borrow so much, and tax so much.

        If we simply allowed markets to work free of governmental or Federal Reserve interference, bad debt would be liquidated relatively quickly and malinvestment would be curtailed. Scaled-back regulations would encourage businesses to expand. Lower taxes would jump start investment and spur job creation.

        This is not rocket science, it is Economics 101. All it would take is for government to get out of the way. There would be some short term pain, of course, but only by allowing the bubble to burst and bad debt to liquidate can we ever hope to begin building a real economy again.

        The CBO report was alarming to most simply because they know neither party will take the steps necessary to avoid eventual fiscal calamity. Instead, despite their rhetoric, both parties want to maintain the fantasy that “deficits don’t matter.” But the CBO report, combined with what is happening in Greece and the European Union, should finally make the undeniable case that economic realities apply even to industrialized first world economies. We must take concrete steps today to avoid having America become the next Greece.

        • They got the guns, badges, and the court rooms. They are not about to give up those 6 figure salaries. True they have created many a board up and vacant lot but so long as there is one host left the parasites will survive. Keep in mind, parasites vote in this country anyhow.

          • Billy:

            Speaking of “they got the guns, badges. . .” is anyone else as uncomfortable as I am about the Louisiana video, showing “cops” taking down the majority chair?

            Turns out, these guys were OFF-DUTY cops who work for the highest bidder, to do the bidding of a private person–against the rest of us–while wearing a cop uniform. That really bothers me.

            Seems to me, we should pay our cops a high enough wage that they work for US and ONLY us. They should NOT be moonlighting as hired guns for the fat cats. And they REALLY should not be wearing their police uniforms, even if such “Hessian” activity is allowed.

            • First off there is no such thing as a high enough salary. No matter what you make, if someone comes along and says they can get you more few will turn a deft ear.

            • Billy:

              Forget the salary. Pay them what you want.

              Cops should NOT be allowed to hold second jobs. Period. Rationalize it as needing to be able to call them at any hour. Whatever.

              Most important: cops should never, never, never be allowed to use their uniform to intimidate people (when they are not on duty).

            • But that’s why they have a union that says they can and as Walker found out he needed said union to keep his job. You state what should be I state what is. Nothing is going to change so long as the parasites have a host to feed from and remember, “The World Is Not Enough”

  15. I am not arguing with you, I am not a Ron Paul supporter but I do admire you guys for being so loyal, I was just pointing out the change, because when I post my first post they have not change the tracker yet on this site, and I don’t think this weekend will end good for Paul.

    • Oh I’m sure you can find many a wall street banker who is just as devoted to Romney. The sheep are ready to be fleeced and Romney is just the guy to do it. They have invested big money in their boy and expect great returns.

  16. Also I now they don’t have to follower the primary voters but they have a tendency to and I think they should but I can see both ways.

    • Logan:

      Right now, I think Ron Paul’s supporters feel betrayed, even duped.

      If it turns out that RP and Rmoney were in cahoots from the outset, there will be hell to pay.

    • It’s all about fear and greed. Romney has both working for him now. Like what happens to your state if you don’t support him and he wins? The earlier you jump on the band wagon, the better if he wins.

      • Billy:

        Obviously, if your state doesn’t support Romney and he wins,
        he’ll load up your state with debt, take all your liquid assets,
        then divide up and sell portions of your state to the neighboring states.

        • Goethe Behr

          Sounds like what Goldman Sachs did to Greece and what the Central Banksters are doing to the rest of Europe.

            • Surf:

              Wow, cosmic! I was doing some searches just last night, and one of them related to the original Star Trek episode, “BREAD AND CIRCUSES.” That’s the one about the planet that evolved like earth, but the Roman Empire never fell, so the gladiators were being televised. . . .

            • DT: Yeah.

              I guess that’s the point of what we’ve been talking about:

              STUPID minds think alike–and vote together.

              “Brilliant minds think independently.”

              By the way, that reminds me of the Apple slogan, “Think Different.” Some people complained that it should be “think differently,” but they missed the point altogether. Apple wasn’t talking about the “process” of thinking, and the “manner” of doing so. They were talking about the GOAL–think “different.” It’s like when you say, “Think BIG.” You wouldn’t say “Think bigly.” 😉

  17. Just want to say to you guys it’s been a pleasure discussing this political cabaret with you these passed few months.

    I look forward to any more new developments this Autumn, when Obomney gives the presidency to Obomber without a fight.

    Until then, abiento.

  18. Where are the actual results? How can we find out how many votes Ron Paul received. What kind of a joke is this where we vote and the results can’t be found anywhere???

  19. I’ll put it in a few words:

    Unless Ron Paul himself tells you to quit — Don’t!
    (and that will never happen!)

  20. *What we learned from this GOP Primary Election*

    Just a few months ago, anyone telling me that there was such a thing as election fraud, would have raised my eyebrows.

    And with a smirk, I would have responded: “Yeah, sure, it probably happens from time to time somewhere in the Deep South, where some toothless rednecks rock back-and-forth on their front porch, with a shotgun on their lap, while tilting a demijohn of moonshine…. But, not here, where we are all civilized” — would have been my crushing retort.

    Do I feel now the Fool, the Snob, the Idiot, the Naive, the Misguided, the Imbecile, the Moron, the Dupe, the Dunce, the Betrayed — YES!

    IT WAS SHOCK AND AWE — What the GOP did! They managed to grind down all my beliefs in Liberty and Justice for All INTO NOTHINGNESS!

    The SHOCK was their constant manipulation to do elections behind closed doors. The AWE was their TRANSPARENT Fraud at all State’s Conventions — in their zeal to elect their fair-hair child, the Mittney, the GOP displayed Nazi Tactics without regard they were being recorded for all to see.

    Their ARROGANCE for this BLATANT display must rest in their assurance that they are Above the Law, while we, the people, count for nothing!
    ————————————————————

    What happened to us America — when did we blink to lose All?!

    • Having grown up in Chicago, I would have been stunned if there were anything but fraud in any election.

          • Surf:

            It’s hot out. Have a beer. We love you, but we’re worried about you.

            As Bugs Bunny used to say, “unlax.” [OK, so that never DID make sense.]

            Anyway, ya gotta laugh, since there is so much to cry about these days.

            (BTW, I caught the Caesar reference, tying back to the Bread and Circuses.)

            When you believe in a movement and the leader appears to be saying he was just kidding and seems set to fall in with Captain Heinous, whaddayagonnado?

      • Billy Malone — nonsense! That was localized to Chicago — and was Never NATION WIDE Exposed (as it is now)!

  21. Comprehend its Meaning!

    The Texas State Organizer for the Paul Campaign has requested that YOU do not make our delegates into targets for the establishment! If you want to list the number of Paul delegates and/or alternates in your Texas CD, DO NOT GIVE THE CD number! If you say there are 2 delegates in CD#”X”, they will be able to find out who they are and cause these people problems! DO NOT GIVE out any State wide delegate totals (Yes, I know no one even has this yet, but if you figure it out, DO NOT give it out). AND MOST IMPORTANTLY DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE RELEASE ANY NAMES! PLEASE allow our delegates anonymity! Look at what has been done to known Paul supporters in other states! Arrested, broken bones, displaced hips, punches, etc., they do not need problems. It will all be written about years from now, but from here to Tampa BE QUIET! Loose lips sink ships! There has already been too much info released! I realize everyone wants to know so they can cheer our success, but we had the success we had BECAUSE we were low key, under the radar at the convention. Which is the best way to win by the way, coordinated, organized, and low key!

  22. IN THE NEWS; Dignitaries launch the new S.S. George Bush.

    SPECS:
    The ship uses an ever-increasingly amount of fuel,
    has no rudder, not enough armor,
    takes its crew from one country after another
    (for no apparent reason),
    leaves before they’re all back on board,
    and never gets around
    to bringing them back to the States.

  23. REGARDING THE LOUISIANA CONVENTION

    [From the horse’s “mouth”]

    National Campaign Manager John Tate condemns Shreveport event’s “UNNECESSARY CONFLICT” and applauds its “POSITIVE CONCLUSION”

    LAKE JACKSON, Texas – The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign released the following statement [including:]

    “. . .we also wish to highlight and APPLAUD the fact that the convention ended on a HIGH note reflective of the COOPERATION ALL Republicans. . .

    “. . .Romney campaign’s Louisiana Chairman, Scott Sewell, who GRACIOUSLY said ‘that he supported the effort and would do everything he could to make sure the delegation was seated’ in Tampa.

    “Despite the divisiveness that characterized the Louisiana state convention INITIALLY, we are thankful that the Paul and ROMNEY CAMPAIGNS TOOK THE HIGH ROAD. . .

  24. http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/06/10/on-rands-endorsement/

    Jack Hunter gives a convoluted apology for Rand Paul’s endorsement:

    (1) Rand Paul would endorse any Republican candidate. It doesn’t matter what that candidate stands for, or doesn’t stand for. “My party, right or wrong!”

    (2) Rand Paul MUST endorse that candidate in order to “qualify” to run for president, himself. It is necessary to “pay his dues” by selling his integrity.

    (3) Rand Paul wants the big money of the NeoCons in 2016, so he has to “play the game.”

    (4) Rand Paul thinks that voters are stupid, so you have to have a party “label” to run on, and if you can show that you will sublimate your opinions to the party, you’ll have a better chance.

    (5) Rand Paul believes that the end justifies the means. So he will go along and play the tame and do politics-as-usual, because, you konw, once he gets in there, he’ll do things differently, by gum, by golly. [Hmm. . .who ELSE said he would do things differently if HE were elected president? Who was that again?]

    (6) Rand Paul thinks no one will remember this, anyway. It would stand out to stand up for beliefs–and that’s, you know, dangerous. It’s better to lie low, play the game, go along. And nobody will care. It doesn’t matter WHAT you do, because no one will care.

    (7) If Romney is elected, and is worse than George Bush. [Hold on now, here’s where it gets real “Alice-in-Wonderland”] If Romney is horrible as president, Rand Paul will be able to be a powerful voice against him because [wait for it, wait for it] BECAUSE HE WAS FOR HIM BEFORE HE WAS AGAINST HIM. In other words, one Romney against another.

    (8) “This is unfortunate. It’s also how politics works.” “. . .political pragmatism.” [direct quotes]

    (9) Most Republicans don’t like Ron Paul, but they like Rand Paul, because he is “one of them.” He plays the game. He’s all about winning, not primarily about ideals.

    (10) Rand Paul is bowing and giving tribute to Romney so that the public and party will think Ron Paul has given up, allowing the Ron Paul delegates into the convention. . .so that. . .they can. . .vote for Romney.

    I’m sorry, but to me, Jack Hunter seems like a pompous, self-important prig who thinks he knows more and is more important than you. He says it’s ok to play the game, because like Obama, Rand will promise to change things when he is elected. Will he? That brings us back to the old saying, “trust me.”

    The essence of the Ron Paul campaign has been to stand on principle, and not to back down. Jack Hunter and Rand Paul want to PRETEND to be “one of them” in order to gain power and influence. Explain to me again why this is not “politics as usual”?

    • This kid (Hunter) in the 8:42 minute video posted above, does excellent rationalization for the Rand endorsement of the Mittney (and one valid point — political goals can be negotiated for the preservation of principles)!

      His eloquence is based on two premises:

      1) Rand Paul will still exist in 2016
      2) Rmoney will win the Presidency

      However, should either premise become invalid — his argument collapses into nothingness.

      • Surf:

        Well, I wouldn’t necessarily say that.

        I agree that the tone of his video is apologetic and rationalizing. He even says it’s just the way the game is played–but that also means you’re willing to stoop to the game.

        I think the whole thrust is to try to shift Ron Paul supporters to being Rand Paul supporters, but that reminds me of the old slam against Dan Quayle: “Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy.”

        But, yeah, that’s the idea. But in the process, he loses his credibility, in my book. He’s Ron’s son. The world would forgive him for being loyal to his father. There’s no reason to kiss up to Romney, except to become one of them.

        Where I disagree with you is that it’s based on Willard winning. Rand will be much better off if he loses, and that’s what the kid says. If Obama wins, then the field will be open in 2016. Parties very seldom re-nominate a loser, with exceptions such as Adlai Stevenson and Tom Dewey, neither recent. That means Willard will be history.

        The kid is talking strategy, not ideals. When I talked about strategy, I meant to focus on a “market” and to “market” to that group–telling the truth, but in language they would best understand. That’s honorable and effective. But the kid is talking about hiding real intentions, pretending to be something he’s not, glad-handing, schmoozing, and doing all the other politics-as-usual. His goal is to win at any cost.

        There have been stories of candidates who sell their souls, thinking they’ll eventually do the right thing–after they get into power. But then they find that either they have no soul left, or they have made so many concessions that they no longer have any power left.

        Generally, the GOP just picks whoever was second in line last time. That would probably be (gag) Santorum, according to the establishment, but he will probably face back into the woodwork in four years. So Rand would be one of the rising stars.

        My guess is that Rand will spend the next four years running around the country, picking up chits, the way Nixon did between 64 and 68.

      • So what if Rand supports the GOP candidate and he loses? Half of congress is going to support a loser.

    • Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do. I’d say he made the right choice. others like Bob Barr & one or two others chose principle and lacking party support, were voted out. Bottom line is it’s better to have Rand in than out.

  25. oops.

    I meant “subordinate” above, not “sublimate.”

    And while I’m at it, I meant “play the game,” not “play the tame” (stupid fingers!), but now that I think of it, he’s playing it TAME, too.

    • I’m sure you have seen the paragraph where every word is misspelled and the meaning is still there. Just hope we can move on from the Spain & Portugal issue, LOL

    • Lawsuit Against the RNC and GOP Fraud — Finally TODAY!
      ————————————————————————————

      Spread this far and wide!!

      PLEASE WATCH & SHARE!!

      Today, Monday June 11th, the lid is to be blown wide off the FRAUD that has been going on in the elections this year!!

      This lawsuit will also LEGALLY unbound ALL Delegates and protect them as well!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPt2nlyfmfc&feature=player_embedded

  26. After all the needed venting — Let us focus again!

    What, We The People (forget about the rest) must do:

    1) Assure Ron Paul is on the ballot in Tampa (get those needed 5 States affirmed ASAP)!

    2) Assure Ron Paul is on the ballot in Tampa (get those needed 5 States affirmed ASAP)!

    3) Assure Ron Paul is on the ballot in Tampa (get those needed 5 States affirmed ASAP)!
    ——————————————————————————————
    Invest all your energy and efforts to ASSURE, ASSURE, ASSURE Ron Paul gets that 5-state plurality!

    His speech alone will Rock the World! And the outcome may shock complacent America!

    • Ron Paul to WIN — Or American to END 2012!
      (there are no other options!)

      The Mittney will never defeat the BO!

      And If the BO gets reelected, we’ll reach the Point of No Return. (Four more years of this usurper will GUARANTEE the disappearance of the 2nd Amendment — and most likely the disappearance of many visible opponents he has, and certainly the core of the supporters of freedom, in their hundreds of thousands, will be whisked away to FEMA Camps, never to be heard of again — thanks to his NDAA). I would not be surprised if the BO in his second term enacts a law whereby He, for the “good of the people”, can be win a third term. All empires end with a dictatorship — and since ours is nearing its end, why expect it to be different. It’s good to be the King — and the BO is a willing Nero (and then his progeny could become a Dynasty).
      ————————————————————-

      On the other hand:

      To his own surprise, Ron Paul has reached a stage that could not have been foreseen at the beginning of his campaign. He actually can depend on more committed patriotic delegates, then Rmoney can count on his forced-through “bound ones”!

      I say, push to Tampa — and see how many will vote their Conscience! We might just get surprised how many patriots still exist in our nation!

  27. Surf…

    In regards to the Vote Fraud Remedy, some people aren’t sure if it’s legit or just a scam to get the names and ID’s of Ron Paul delegates and supporters so they can be put on the ‘watch list’ like other supporters have already been.

    So in short, this video is BS. The GOP/RNC is a private organisation and these ‘elections’ are merely for the private organisation’s benefit, not the ‘voters’. It’s NOT a governmental body and so is NOT required by Law to adhere to any ‘code’ of voting. Afteral, it’s just to asses who the people might want as a speaker, NOT as a President. THAT vote hasn’t even begun yet.

    So, don’t forget, it’s just a private vote in a private club; nothing more.

    The Law has no say in it’s running!

      • Billy: I disagree.

        You can have privacy and power–at a price.

        As noted above, you can even buy yourself some cops if you have the money. The one percent simply don’t live like the rest of us.

        • But everything private has a price and if someone is willing to pay more the privacy is gone. ex….the atomic bomb secret to the Russians.

          • Billy:

            Now you’re disagreeing just to be disagreeable.’

            Meeman’s point was that the government can’t legally meddle in party matters. That has nothing to do with government secrets. Give a guy a break.

            Likewise, your disagreement with me, saying money CAN buy anything was exactly my point–that people with money make a mockery of our Constitution. There are some things that money should NOT be able to buy–such as elections (including primaries).

            In your example of selling bomb secrets to the Russians, doesn’t that dispute your OWN disagreement with Meeman, now saying that government CAN’T keep secrets? I mean, geez, you should at least agree with YOURSELF, unless your name is Willard!

            • Just my nature as I have learned very little in life via agreement. It’s when I disagree I seem to learn the most. Anyhow it has worked for me and I’m always open for change. As you may have noticed I read just about every post.

  28. I saw Rand as speaking in what he did not believe — just like the US hostages did on Iranian TV in 1979-80 (you could not see the gun at their backs, but knew it was there).

    The main similarities that struck me (whereby the hostages were trying to alert us to read between the lines of what they were forced to say): Changes of posture, blinking and then vacantly staring, fluctuation of the voice, unneeded pauses, aversion of eye contact, then direct eye contact (ALL according to the words spoken).

    Draw your own conclusions — but mine are that Rand was FORCED to do it because of a very good reason (one that may not be discussed now)!

    Only a FOOL would assume that a son of Ron Paul’s wonderful family will betray his father (there is a VALID reason behind this move…and that’s all I’ll say about it)!

    Try and read between the lines on your own (and don’t pass it on when you figure it out)!

    • Massiel:

      Have you actually looked at Romney’s record? He calls himself a “businessman,” but he is not, and never has been. He’s been a gambler and speculator–who destroys the dreams and lifework of BUSINESSMEN (and women). He’s hardly done anything constructive in his whole life. He’s a one-man wrecking ball, who goes into usually healthy companies, loads the up with debt, takes huge fees upfront, stops all research AND maintenance, and after the company is crushed under his debt, he picks the bones and sells off the parts.

      Judging from his career, the first thing he’d do as president is tear down the Statue of Liberty and sell the copper for scrap metal.

      • So why isn’t that a businessman? He is very successful at what he does. If he were running for president of any country other than this one I sure would support him.

        • Billy:

          It just depends on how loosely you want to use the term. The dictionary says that a Businessman is “someone employed in business.” And business is defined as “an occupation, profession, or trade.” So if you’re a plumber or priest or professor or politician, you’re a “businessman.” By the dictionary definition, every politician is a “businessman,” because he’s in a profession.

          There are denotations and connotations. By denotation, I’m a businessman, you’re a buxinessman, all God’s chillin’ are businessmen.

          But when I hear the term “businessman,” to me, it also means someone who builds and constructs, someone who employs others, someone who tries to have a positive influence, in addition to making a buck.

          Personally, I don’t consider a person a “businessman” if he’s a lying, stealing, cheating, destroyer of other people’s dreams, communities, families. To people like Willard, it’s not enough for him to win–he wants to be sure that others lose.

            • Billy:

              I think on the Romney scale, bums are “businessmen,” too–if they are beggars, which are, of course, “independent contractors.”

            • Look I don’t knock Romney as a businessman he was very successful at what he did. And with that one man wrecking ball record he got himself elected governor, was very successful at draining to pockets of the voters who elected him and did little or nothing to improve the employment problem . Now he is the GOP frontrunner for president with all that baggage, this guy is unbelievable for sure. Or am I overlooking the stupidity of the American Voter?

            • I’m a Conservative Republican who leans toward Libertarianism. Because of what FOX News and Rush Limbaugh have done to Conservatism, the Republican Party and Ron Paul, there is NO WAY I could ever vote for Mittens Rmoney, let alone Obummer for President. They are both the SAME in every way.

            • Billy:

              The system is set up by banksters to allow bloodsuckers like Romney to destroy successful American companies, communities, families and dreams to make a buck for those who never built anything.

              The idea that he has “shown that he can put people to work” is simply ludicrous. His record is just the opposite.

              Mittney cannot honestly present himself as a “businessman,” which is a more honorable title than he deserves.

            • But it would seem the voters would have it no other way. They see the same board ups and vacant lots that we do but come election time they put the same shysters in again and they in turn reward people like Romney. Romney represents the board ups and vacant lots and the voters are indeed thirsty for more of the same. Either way this time around they get what they want.

  29. The role and purpose of a business man is to fleece the general public of their money, wealth, power and sovereign strength.

    The purpose of the freeman is to resist such attempts at all costs and live a free and decent life without interference and molestation from corporate gangsters.

    Freemen live. Corporate Slaves have ID Cards!

    Which one are you?

      • Billy

        I know it’s not the same in your country but here we still stand on rights and the law when it comes to who is and who is not a slave of the state or a corporation.

        Some years ago I was stopped by the Police whilst driving my car. I wasn’t breaking the speed limit or driving crazy so when the officer approached my car I asked why he’d stopped me. His response was, “I didn’t recognise your car.”
        I kid you not.
        He then asked me if I had any ID on me.
        I’m English and I’m in England. You don’t need to know anymore than that since I haven’t committed an offence or broke any law, unlike you for stopping me driving without any lawful or legal reason.
        After walking around my car with his associate, trying to spot something wrong with my car to justify his existence, and found nothing wrong, they both got back into the state’s owned police car and drove off, leaving me within 12 feet of my actual destination. I suspect they stop a lot of people their as you can’t get a mobile phone signal to call the station or a lawyer.

        Some are corporate scum that think they can do anything they want the second they put that uniform on. Some are not. The latter seem to be outnumbered these days.

        Remember, corporate owned slaves have ID cards to identify themselves as being under the restrictions of a corporate mandate. Free people need no ID cards anymore than does a bird or a tree.

        This is not 1984, despite their best efforts to intimidate people into thinking it is.

        Born free, live free, die free, or else bow down on your knees slave.

        • But again capitalism can’t compete with socialism but capitalism will always win out in the end. Guess it the old greed vs fear scenario. Fear is stronger than greed thus people are willing to give and give until there is nothing left to give. Well my mama read me the story of Chicken Little & Uncle Remus was one of my favorites. That’s about all the education anybody needs to make it in a free society.

          • I don’t know the story of chicken little and uncle remus, sorry, but I have to disagree on the capitalism winning in the end, comment.

            There is no greater display of socialism than having a family. So when all corporations are turned to dust, the family will remain and so socialism inevitably carries on.

            But hey, what do I know?

            • You can Google in Chicken Little it’s short. Family socialism too has to give way under most circumstances. It can only survive so long as some form of capitalism supports it. When a problem child comes along (an alkie)you may find mom spending the money set aside for college to help the black sheep of the family. Capitalist invest, socialist spend.
              As for Uncle Remus Remus…………very difficult reading in it’s original form and all meaning is lost in the translations.

    • DT:

      It’s June. By August, ALL the delegates will be WillarDrones™.

      And if he’s elected in the fall, he’ll have the same disdain for democracy that he has shown so far.

      I’ve been saying it for months. We need at least one third-party in this country. . .

  30. Off-topic, except that we discussed the issue previously:

    Michigan chalked up its first victim of the repeal of the helmet law. Didn’t take long:

    DETROIT FREE PRESS–A Ferndale man died early this morning when police say he lost control of his motorcycle and crashed in Oak Park. The driver missed his exit to Greenfield Road, attempted to cut across pavement that had rumble strips and lost control, according to Michigan State Police’s preliminary investigation.

    The man and woman were ejected from the motorcycle.

    Police said the the man, who was NOT wearing a helmet, hit his head on the pavement and slid about 45 feet. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

    The woman, who is from Georgia, HAD a helmet on and was taken to Beaumont Hospital to be treated for CUTS AND BRUISES.

    A helmet saved my life years ago. Cnograts to the Michigan legislature for becoming the country’s REAL “death panel.”

      • Billy:

        Or, in this case, they sold their souls to do the wrong deed for the right reason.

        To me, a helmet is simply necessary equipment. If you don’t wear a helmet on a bike, why bother with seat belts, bumpers, or even brakes on a car?

        • Sorry we only agree it’s a good idea to wear a helmet. As it being a law ? ? ? Once they get their foot in the door the next thing will be health insurance by law. Guess that bring us back on topic in a way. As for seat belts, they were offered as options back in the 50’s, the bumpers on the Model T’s were much stronger than today’s that are mandated,
          and brakes have been stagnated because of regulations. Cars would have had electric brakes long ago if it were not for government regulations. Hell, there would be no need to even drive a car if it were not for government regulations and highway deaths would be a thing of the past. Computers can do a much better job than humans and they don’t drink.

  31. Well that’s mostly BS.
    There are already computer driven cars on the roads. (Overseas) And they have accidents.
    I have seen ‘electric breaks’ and they are not that good. Also there are no real regulations against the development of them, there just not as practical.

    As far as standard safety equipment.
    If you get in a wreck and become a vegitable, your on the public dime.
    Just like if you get sick and have no insurance, your a public tax bourdon.
    I would totally agree that Romneycare is not a great solution, But I have not seen anyone else putting forward another options, and until they do that I want them to shut up.

    I have been without insurance most of my life (Until about two years ago) And yes if you get sick your a tax bourdon, the problem is that people make 50+k a year and still don’t get frecken insurance.

    Better option to shut up, you give me a better option and I’m onboard, lord knocks there should be a better option.

  32. On that note, didn’t have health care until about six years ago, when I got tri-care in the Army, lost my eye and took a face/brain injury, that’s all the army would cover when I got out, anything else and I had to be dieing before I could get treatment/medication.

    Finally have medical care now by way of my job.

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