Make a note as this will be a recurring theme on the GOP side heading into 2016. The hawkish brand of conservatism versus the libertarian non-interventionist brand of conservatism. Both will be on display in a variety of degrees given the gambit of candidates likely to run.

Report from Politico:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie is ripping libertarians — including Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — for challenging government surveillance programs and failing to understand the dangers of terrorism.

“This strain of libertarianism that’s going through parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought,” the New Jersey GOP governor said on Thursday at a Republican governors forum in Aspen, Colo. “You can name any number of people and (Paul is) one of them.”

“These esoteric, intellectual debates — I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won’t, because that’s a much tougher conversation to have,” Christie said.

“The next attack that comes, that kills thousands of Americans as a result, people are going to be looking back on the people having this intellectual debate and wondering whether they put …” Christie said before trailing off.

Rand Paul’s office wasted no time in immediately responding to Christie, report on that from the Washington Times:

“If Governor Christie believes the constitutional rights and the privacy of all Americans is ‘esoteric,’ he either needs a new dictionary, or he needs to talk to more Americans, because a great number of them are concerned about the dramatic overreach of our government in recent years,” Paul senior adviser Doug Stafford told The Washington Times.

GOP primary voters will be faced with choosing a course for 2016 and it looks like they’ll be getting some robust debate on this topic before the campaign even begins.

19 COMMENTS

  1. This is WHY the Republicans will not win the White House for many years. The Neocons, like Christie, have ruined the Republican Party and what it used to stand-for. They’ve turned the Party into a bunch of war-mongering psychopaths who support austerity at the expense of all Americans, including future Americans – yet to be born – by incurring MORE DEBT by SPENDING what is theirs.

    Neocons, like John McCain, called it “Generational Theft” when Obama and the Democrats do it – but as long as the Defense Contractors spend the BILLIONS of Dollars of the money of future generations of Americans, that’s completely ok.

    Chris Christie is an overgrown Neocon “windbag”. He needs to SHUT-UP and get back under Obama’s Skirt where he belongs.

  2. I wouldn’t put it pass these “whack-jobs” to commit a false-flag, just so they can get control of all the people. What gives them away is I’ve never heard or seen so much paranoia in my life. Plus, we are STILL over there – meddling in everyone else’s business. But of course, these Neocons will “blame” everything but US “interventionism” for ant terror attack.

    Neocon Mantra = “These people in foreign lands should just SHUT UP and “understand” WHY we are occupying their country and killing their citizenry. IT’S BECAUSE WE CAN!!!”

  3. “No Death Penalty and no Torture for Snowden”… says Eric Holden; if the Russians turn him over!

    WOW, how incredible is this! The US Attorney General states on the record that this particular person we promise not to torture or kill, if he gets delivered to us!

    What kind of Despotic Country do we live in NOW, and what kind of language is this (befitting a 3rd World Dictator) to come out of the mouth of an US Official under Obama, to state the USA Government won’t torture or ask the Courts to kill this American Citizen, because he exposed our government’s ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL spying on all its Citizens!

    The American People should send a message to Eric Holden and his Boss, The Wannabe Tyrant — Lil’ Hussein — that when your time comes to be judged, we won’t ask for such extremes either. A life time behind bars would be the just penalty for your continuous attempts to DESTROY THE US CONSTITUTION and turn us into your obedient subjects!

    Time to IMPEACH — wake up AMERICA!

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/07/26/edward-snowden-fbi-russia-nsa/2589319/

    • Cute excerpt:

      “Attorney General Eric Holder has appealed to Russia to extradite National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden by assuring Moscow that the U.S. would try him in a civilian court, would not seek the death penalty and would not torture him.”

      LOL — reading between the lines…’We won’t torture him, nor have him killed by a court decision….but we’ll do the next WORST thing….’ Amazing idiocy displayed by an idiot, who is employed by an even bigger idiot!’

      Time to IMPEACH — wake up AMERICA!

      • I did think it was embarrassing that the Attorney General of the United States now has to promise the President of Russia that we won’t kill or torture a prisoner. Fifteen years ago, Russia would have been the ones to look ridiculous if they suggested we were heinous monsters.

    • I think ‘Water-Boarding’ would be appropriate for BOTH BHO and AG Holder …

      thecolonel

  4. Christie is right: Paul is “dangerous” to the military-industrial complex and the GOP NeoCon Establishment.

    An article in Commentary

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/07/26/is-rand-pauls-foreign-policy-libertarian/

    discusses that ONLY Congress can “declare war.” Trouble is, of course, since WWII, we don’t “declare” anything, we just send the troops in without legal authorization. Yeah, yeah, there are silly things like the “Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,” but that’s not what the Founders intended, and certainly not Constitutional.

    The argument used to be that it would take too long for Congress to act. Another argument was that by “officially” declaring war, we’d turn the Cold War into another world war. But the Soviet Union is gone, and in the day of Twitter, it would only take seconds to get a vote of Congress, even if they are scattered across the country. We really should not have the president tell Congress, “you know what the U.S. just did??”

  5. HOWEVER, I Googled Paul’s foreign policy and found this distressing:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/rand-paul-marco-rubio-foreign-policy_n_3437020.html

    It contrasts Rand Paul and Marco Rubio. Of course, Rubio wants the U.S. to dictate to the rest of the world–and “not tolerate” (his phrase) totalitarian governments anywhere in the world. He wants us involved in Syria, and of course, unspoken is the point that if we do not continue to beat up on little Cuba, who will?

    There’s a big difference between “installing” a dictator (as we have) or “support” a dictator (which we often do)–and “not tolerating,” which means active offense.

    But before you praise Paul, don’t miss this line, which suggests that he’s a “Wolfowitz in Dove’s Clothing”–

    Paul said. “We must and should stand with our fellow Christians in the Middle East and around the world.”

    That strikes me as a VERY “dangerous” policy. It means not supporting any Arab country, and it means NOT supporting Israel. But more importantly, since Christians are such a tiny minority there, it makes us “allies” with the natural losers in any conflict there.

    But wait, now he’s talking about “standing by” Christians around the world?? Omigod, even Bachman isn’t that nutty.

    • that’s the biggest problem with Tea Partiers – they don’t understand Spirituality vs Religion. Paul, who claims to be a Libertarian and a Tea Party – can’t be 100% both. He should have said,”standing by Humanitarianism” – but stay the f**k outta other countries’ affairs.

      • Sam: I have to agree with that. Scares hell otta me that Rand wants to fight Crusades all over the globe. His dad never suggested that we meddle overseas. What in the hell is he thinking?

        I think the answer is that Rand is a “politician.” He is trying to build a coalition for his own power and glory. In this case, trying to pull in the religious right, I guess.

        But I question your comment about Tea Partiers. Since a lot of people “belong” for their own reasons, you get a lot of idiots and crackpots–including bible-thumpers. But I don’t think the common ground among Tea Partiers is religion. Bachman and Santorum want to pervert the message, and Rove and Fox got involved to twist TP to their own selfish fetishes. But I think the common ground is worry about debt and taxes.

        It’s too bad that Libertarians couldn’t co-opt the frustration, instead. If TP people had been behind RP in 2012, Paul would probably be president.

        • Goethe, i am on your side with this one. You know i’m knee deep in spirituality. But the West is about power, control and BS about religion. That has been the reason for every war since Moses boogied out of Egypt. My guess in the East, as many battles for the power and control of an Emperor and his dedication to Hinduism or Buddhism. Every Tea Party i know is a Christian fundamentalist or at least a strong Christian.

          Libertarians are picking up steam, but we should have caucuses regularly. i am a Tea Party member as well. We can move the GOP “progressives” into our stream by showing them that is where the silent Independent voters are – simply in abeyance – waiting for the right leader. We are close to center and some bend a little left and some bend a little right. I’m betting Black and Asian Conservatives would back us..

          Paul should have been POTUS. he is still only one man. We have to build our party now, maybe get Trump to build us a party – probably have to take down the first election (2014) as GOP’ers. The ideology can be in place and start the snowball..

          • Sam: Yeah, I guess that’s Ron Paul’s failing. He had “followers,” but no “partners,” and alas, no “heirs.” Everyone thinks Rand is just like Ron, but it ain’t so. I loved seeing him use the filibuster as it was intended, and for a good purpose, but he just has too much ambition; wants power too much. So he’s willing to pander, and he’s wiling to betray himself (such as kissing up to Willard last year).

            Ron stepped out of the shadows, with a unique brand of Libertarianism that could be supported by a WIDE range of people. He even offered liberals a reason to follow–with his anti-war stance, his pro-privacy stance, and his support for individual rights.

            And that’s the thing that name throwers don’t want to admit: that we do have things in common. And most people in this country are for individual rights.

            • Sam: But I’m not so sure about “silent independent voters.” Sounds too much like Nixon’s “silent majority.” they’re not about awaiting a leader. they’re about apathy.

              Look at the polls even in Syria. 20% want Assad out, 20% want him to stay, and the “silent majority” wants to be left alone. Most people in all countries just want to avoid eviction and discomfort–and beyond that,their attention is filled with whose sports team is best, whose religion is best, and keeping up with the Kardashians.

              We tend to think that we all stood up to throw out the British, but even then, there were MANY loyalists who wanted the status quo, and many, many more who were afraid of the radicals and terrorists (“patriots”) who were leading us god-knows-where. A minority fought off the Hessians, and the deed was done. And, likewise, Washington was called “King George” by the Teapartiers of that time, not trusting or believing in him or anyone else in Philadelphia (before DC).

              It’s always one minority against another minority, fighting over what to do with the rest of us. Always.

  6. Are there NO Real Americans left in Congress and Senate?!

    Or are they all cowards?!

    Are both these bodies polluted with anti-Constitutional and American-hating scumbags, that NOT a Single ONE of them will START IMPEACHMENT proceedings against the creature that has usurped for the first time the US Presidency — Barry Sotero, or Hussein Obama….whatever its real name is???!!!

    We all know the charges — but, no-one in Congress or Senate has the guts to be a Real American, and challenge this Usurper of The White House according to Verified Records!

    Contact your Congressmen and Senators, and TELL them this is the reason Barrack Hussein Obama MUST be IMPEACHED! And if you fail to support its impeachment, don’t expect to be reelected!

    The BO lied on all its promises — and once elected did the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it said. THAT’S PERJURY! Also, the BO NEVER supplied its original Birth Certificate — but had a fake published!..

    WHO IS THIS Barry Sotero or Hussein Obama, remains a question to THIS DAY!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8

    Make this 2 minute video viral!

  7. IMPEACH Barack Hussein Obama — it stumbles-and-bumbles AND STUTTERS (which is usual for this political creature to try and come up with an answer it is not prepared for) while trying to decide what it is: A DICTATOR or NOT….LOL!

    ABSOLUTELY THE BEST VIDEO THAT MAKES THE CASE FOR IMMEDIATE IMPEACHMENT !!!

    Time to IMPEACH — make this SUPERB 15 minute video viral.

    Also, nice exposure of Hitlery Clinton!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfB7xihoqVo

    If any of you here are true Americans, give this post a thumbs up.

    Thank you!

    p.s. Don’t worry about the NSA (Nazis Spying on Americans) profiling you, they’ve been spying on you illegally for years, and the only way to stop them now is to have Obama IMPEACHED!

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