The days and hours are ticking down to Election Day in November but this Monday (10/22/2012) will bring us the final Presidential Debate between President Obama and Governor Romney. The topic will be foreign policy and you can better believe every other word out of Governor Romney’s mouth will be “Benghazi” and/or “Libya.” Perhaps mix in a little “Fast and Furious” and you have a recipe for the expected topics. On the other hand, President Obama will probably mention the death of Osama Bin Laden and his particular part in that death, as he well should. Of course, the Middle East, I expect, will dominate a lot of the discussion along with China and the fiscal situation in the European Union.

Report from The Guardian on the final debate prep:

Barack Obama is scheduled to fly to the Camp David presidential retreat near Washington later for three days of seclusion to prepare for the third and final debate with Mitt Romney on Monday as polls suggest the race remains too close to call.

Obama and Romney swapped jokes at a charity event in New York on Thursday night but there will be few jokes on Monday at the debate in Boca Raton, Florida, an encounter devoted to foreign affairs.

The president had enjoyed high approval ratings in foreign affairs until recently, mainly as a result of the killing on his watch of Osama bin Laden. But the Republicans see the president as vulnerable over the assault on the US consulate in Benghazi that left the US ambassador and three other Americans dead.

Obama’s 2008 Republican presidential opponent John McCain took the president to task yesterday/Friday, over his choice of words during an interview on Jon Stewart’s Daily Show on Thursday night in which he oddly referred to the deaths as “not optimal”.

“The optimal line, of course, is very regrettable and makes me a little sad,” McCain told Fox.

Obama used the description in response to a question from Stewart, who was the first to use the word “optimal”.

Some other topics, according to the story:

As well as Libya, Obama and Romney are set to argue over Iran, Syria and the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Obama administration officials have hinted that Obama, in his second term, with no election to be fought, would be braver in tackling the Israeli-Palestinian issue, which, like Tony Blair, he views as a source of friction in the Middle East and elsewhere in the Muslim world.

On Iran and Syria, Romney and Obama are not particularly far apart in terms of policy, despite Romney sounding more bellicose than Obama on both issues.

This will be hard-fought discussion on Monday I imagine with the President hoping to reverse the recent trend showing the polls heading positively toward Governor Romney.


  1. Hmmm. . .

    I guess everyone else has a social life.

    Anyway, it is sounding as if this could be another year like 2000, in which one candidate wins the popular vote and the other wins the electoral vote–and the election.

    While Gallup shows Romney ahead in total voters, that’s only because the white folk in the south are going against Obama by 22%. Obama is ahead in the north, east, and west.

    • I’m here to slog through the news with you. Your southern theory is interesting but I read Rasmussen is also showing an uptick for Mitt as well. Polls out tomorrow and Sunday might illuminate it more. I’m most interested in the state polls, Ohio specifically, which certainly shows a tighter race now than a few weeks ago. Virginia now tied, NC going Romney and Florida has the last 7 consecutive polls with Romney leading.

      Next week will clear the air.

      Who needs a social life? This is a presidential election year!

      • Nate: I agree that Romney changed the game by coming out swinging in the first debate. But his fans were overly orgasmic about the Gallup poll showing him far ahead in the popular vote. I was just pointing out that the size of the gap was mostly due to white guys down south who refuse to consider Obama.

        I also believe that the change is largely due to the media thinking the horse race was looking decided, so it was in their financial interest to boost Romney. For instance, if you look at Obama’s answers in the first debate, by themselves, he looked sophisticated, composed, and in control.

        If the media had not used a split screen, for instance, I think the impression would have been very different. Most of the negativity against Obama in the first debate was that not only did he seem to think Romney’s charges didn’t deserve reply, but while Romney was speaking, Obama was looking down, which APPEARED as if he were a little boy standing in the corner. Without the split-screen, I think that debate would have been seen as more of a draw.

        If Romney’s polls continue to improve, you can be sure that the media will try to find ways to cut him down, TOO. Their goal is always to have everyone on the edge of their chairs, anxious to hear what their favorite pundit has to say next in this “very, very close race.” They’re not biased, they’re just money grubbers.

  2. Mr. Behr, if Romney wins the popular vote but Obama wins the electoral vote, do you suppose those stats that have already passed National Popular vote laws will change their minds? IIRC, that effort was a direct reation to the 2000 situation, but perhaps none of them ever thought it could go the opposite way. Perhaps Californians, and citizens of other states, wouldn’t appreciate having all of their electoral votes cast for a Republican. Of course, the laws aren’t effective yet, because enough states haven’t passed them to make them binding — they don’t actually go into effect until states totaling 270 electoral votes have passed it, and so far, the tally is only up to 137. But I just think it would be so delightful for states like CA and MA to have to cast their electoral votes for a Republican because he/she won the national popular vote.

    • Marlene:

      I haven’t followed that issue, but it’s another case of trying to meddle with the brilliance of the Constitution. The Electoral College had several purposes, one of which was to assure that states and regions would not be ignored. The Founders didn’t want candidates to spend all their time in the most populous states.

      The irony is that we have gone to the other extreme. Instead of doing all their campaigning in New York and California, the candidates are spending the majority of their time in places like Virginia, North Carolina, and Wisconsin–and, yes, Ohio–which have between TEN and 18 electoral votes.

      People in New York and California might forget there’s an election going on.

  3. Historically there have been remarkable initiative and efforts taken by US government in making ease and stability in Middle East aiming to have a tangible result of cordial, and peaceful co-existence between Israel and Palestine.

    My question to both the Presidential candidates, what course of actions would be followed on post election era by the future President and Commander-in Chief of USA to establish a solid peaceful co-existence between Israel & Palestine and to safe the world from the catastrophe of war and miserable economic, social, political & environmental havoc.

    • If Mitt gets into the White House — expect An American Tragedy!

      Mormon Mitt won’t allow Catholic Ryan to be anything but his doormat (to be disposed of when the time comes).

      His 5 Mormon Sons are getting groomed to take over…and create a Dynasty of little Mormon Mitts for decades to come!

      Now, that is truly scary!

  4. The one thing the debates have done for America is to show us the man the media will not show. Obama is being baked.

        • Nate:

          Naw, that’s in the other thread, about legalizing pot.

          (knock, knock, knock) Who’s is it?

          It’s Nate man. Let me in.

          (knock, knock, knock) Who is it?

          It’s NATE, man, I think the cops saw me, let me in.


          It’s NATE, man!


          Yeah, man, Nate!

          Nate’s not here. . .

    • If Mitt gets into the White House — expect An American Tragedy!

      Mormon Mitt won’t allow Catholic Ryan to be anything but his doormat (to be disposed of when the time comes).

      His 5 Mormon Sons are getting groomed to take over…and create a Dynasty of little Mormon Mitts for decades to come!

      Now, that is truly scary!!!

  5. Nate — could we start a betting pool here, with the winner getting the middle of a doughnut?

    If so, I’d like to propose this:

    Seeing that the BO is no longer a shoo-in, what date do you pick it will start another War (to assure its second term)?

    I’d say: Sunday the 4th of November.

  6. We need to elect someone who will help put Americans back to work. I am afraid that the Vacationer-In-Chief has been too busy with his social life and vacations to be a real president. I think Romney has the skills to do this. The rest does not matter to me. I want to see American a strong and working place for my grandchildren. I truly believe that Obama’s policies have hurt America and therefore we must put Romney in office. He was not my choice but he is the choice of the Republican Party. I’m Independent but I must vote my convictions. I love this country that my forefathers came to for the Freedoms we enjoy. To protect these freedoms that we are beginning to squander I will do what I have to do. Obama has to go!

    • Hazel:

      Regarding putting people to work, people would scream if Obama were able to provide jobs the way FDR did. So all he can do is help make the economy work.

      His main job was to stop the free-fall, which he did. Stock market doubled. Historically high profits. Booming productivity. You can’t blame Obama that all that wealth is not “trickling down” to you.

      As for “vacationing,” he didn’t vacation as much as Bush. I’m just sayin’. . .

    • Would ask all that find merit in the below to SPREAD IT! Thanks.

      VOTE for Gary Johnson (do not write-in Ron Paul, please)!

      Here is why:

      The Establishment fears Ron Paul so much that they will do anything to stop him and his (our) movement for Liberty on the election level (since so far they have not been able to control the internet, and thus shut us down completely)!

      The Major Networks will show after the election NOTHING for Ron Paul (not even that he got ANY of the Vote, for that would be admitting that some actually dared to write-in his name).

      The Apparatchiks have been instructed to shred all write-in ballots where Ron Paul’s name appears (for proof just watch after the election and see if Ron Paul is even mentioned, let alone how many votes he got)!

      Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 States — so a vote for him is a vote COUNTED against the wannabe despots of America! (Plus, if he breaks the 5+% level, the Libertarian Party (Ron Paul’s original party) will be eligible for federal funds to the tune of about 90 million dollars for the next election — and no longer will be a financial shoe-string operation!!!).

      VOTE GARY JOHNSON (or write-in Ron Paul if you must) — as long as you vote for what you realize is BEST for our Nation, and NOT get bamboozled into voting again for the “lesser of two evils”: the Kenyan Barack or Mitt the Mormon (this path only leads to more and bigger evil, for the next election cycle…should there be one)!!!

    • Amazing that the people have been bamboozled into thinking that either Barack Hussein or Mormon Mitt are a solution — when both are AGAINST these principles upon which our Nation was built!

      PRINCIPLES we must stand by!

      “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….” Thomas Jefferson

      “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

      “When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.” DOROTHY THOMPSON

      “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” —Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

      “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” EDMUND BURKE

      “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN

      Voting for either anti-American — Barack the Kenyan or Mitt the Mexican Mormon — would only be legitimizing the further government corruption that seems to have no end!

      VOTE for Garry Johnson — who stands for these principles, and is on nearly all 50 States ballots (unlike my 1st choice, Ron Paul, who is NOT on ANY States ballots) or face the dire consequences of failing to do so — TIME TO WAKE UP AMERICA!


  7. Just Say NO to Rmoney — VOTE for ANYONE but Mormon Mitt!

    The Mormons stripped the richest man in the world, Howard Hughes, not only of his life, but his entire fortune (that is how the Mormons got financial power to jump start their cult)!

    Now another Mormon wants to do the same to our entire Nation!
    And his 5 Mormon Sons are waiting in line to finish US off!

    *Vote FOR Gary Johnson* — Do NOT vote for Mormon Mitt (or Barack Hussein) the lesser of two evils!

  8. Unless you VOTE for Gary Johnson — we won’t have an Election, but puppet Selection!

    You want a prediction — here is an APODICTIC one:

    The American People LOOSE, regardless which one of these two puppets (Barack Hussein or Mormon Mitt) gets “elected”!


  9. I don’t usually double-post, but I think this is unusually interesting. I received a final poll request from Ron Paul-dot-com.

    It said–

    Poll: Who are you voting for?

    Participate in our final poll before the election and tell us who you’re voting for. Options include Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, Jill Stein, Ron Paul (write-in), Someone else and Nobody

    The part I thought was interesting was that ONLY TWO candidates had automatic links provided–Ron Paul and Barack Obama. Could this be a sort of left-hand endorsement?

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