The Los Angeles times is reporting a headline today that Ron Paul is “effectively” ending his campaign with a decision to stop spending money on future state primaries and instead focus resources on upcoming state conventions.

Story from the LA Times:

Ron Paul, Mitt Romney’s lone remaining rival for the Republican presidential nomination, announced Monday that he would stop spending money on the party’s 11 remaining primaries, in effect suspending his campaign.

The libertarian Texas congressman told supporters in an email that he would continue to accumulate delegates to the Republican National Convention, to be held in Tampa, Fla., in August.

“Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted,” he wrote. “Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have.”

Apart from President Obama and Romney, Paul has raised more money than any other White House contender this year — more than $36 million. His calls for strict adherence to the Constitution and his no-nonsense manner have spawned a vocal and well organized group of followers, but not enough to give him a realistic shot at the presidency.

Having won 104 out of the 1,144 delegates needed to capture the Republican nomination, Paul is in fourth place and has no chance of overtaking Romney, who has 966, according to the latest Associated Press tally. Rick Santorum is in second with 264, followed by Newt Gingrich, who has 130.

Paul’s success at winning delegates at state party conventions could push him ahead of Gingrich by the time the national convention takes place. The more delegates Paul wins, the more influence he can wield at the national gathering.

“Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process,” Paul said in his email.

The state conventions are Paul’s ripest opportunity to continue accumulating delegates and put his stamp on the GOP convention. I have no doubt he will accumulate more than Gingrich by the time the convention occurs.

I am not sure I would call this a suspension of Paul’s campaign since he is still intending to carry on and win delegates. If suspending a campaign is by definition not competing in the statewide primaries, then yes, he suspended it but only to devote expanded resources to the more attractive state convention contests. I’d call this a shift to accomplish the most he possibly can at this point in the most efficient manner.


      • Hon:

        I absolutely agree. A Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura ticket would draw from the entire political spectrum, but you have to have a party. They let the Libertarian party run off in its own direction. Didn’t grab the opportunity that AmericansElect offered.

        Missed opportunities.

      • Hon:

        I agree completely. We should legalize drugs AND TAX THEM. It would go a long way toward solving our deficit.

        Second, it would eliminate the drug crime, which would make a sea change in Mexico and elsewhere–even Afghanistan! It would also reduce crime here, since American ingenuity would bring the cost down and reduce the need for druggies to rob us to get their fix.

        Third, that would free up our cops to work on, you know, real crime.

        Fourth, if drugs were legal here, we’d GROW them here. Put Americans to work!

        Fifth, by having legal, tax-paying stores making the profits, we’d also have a handle on who’s using what drug. That would help the medical situation.

        As the video says, prohibition doesn’t work. The prohibition of alcohol caused the problems we now have with drugs. AND the end to alcohol prohibition eliminated nearly all those problems.

        Make it legal and TAX it.

  1. The media are lazy. They just report the bumpersticker idea, and that is that RP quit. I thought RP was saying he wanted to skip the popular votes in order to focus on convention delegates, which is where the real power is. But his announcement does seem to be speaking past-tense.

    This is the actual wording–see what you think:

    “This campaign fought hard and won electoral success that the talking heads and pundits never thought possible. But, this campaign is also about more than just the 2012 election. It has been part of a quest I began 40 years ago and that so many have joined. It is about the campaign for Liberty, which has taken a tremendous leap forward in this election and will continue to grow stronger in the future until we finally win.

    “Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future.

    “Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.

    “I hope all supporters of Liberty will remain deeply involved – become delegates, win office, and take leadership positions. I will be right there with you. In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy and what you can do to help, so please stay tuned.

    For Liberty,

    Ron Paul.”

        • Hon:

          I’ll tell you how the media view Ron Paul.

          (1) They see him as being too old. The oldest candidate in history to be elected was Reagan, and he was only 69 when he took the oath of office. Paul will be 76 before the election.

          (2) They see him as an outlier. When they hear his foreign policy, which is like NO other candidate, at least since Nader, they don’t think he has a chance. When they hear his support for legalizing drugs, they don’t think he has a chance. When they hear his policies about gold and budget and economics, they think he doesn’t have a chance. So they focus on the “horse race,” and they’re too busy reporting on what they see if the “horses’ behinds” to talk about issues.

          But it’s not just that. Here’s another fact that we just have to face:

          (2) They see him as just another Harold Stassen: a candidate who runs over and over and doesn’t seem to gain traction. Stassen started out as a “wunderkind,” but ended up being a laughing stock, because he didn’t realize he had become a joke. The media do not want to look like they are reporting on a joke.

          If Paul can groom a young replacement, such as his son, for 2016, I would bet you good money that he WOULD get PLENTY of media attention. Let’s not blame all our problems on the media.

    • Two Lefts Obama/Romney do not make a Right…Romney is no more conservative than a gay marching parade..Paul and his experience and honesty is a threat to a Country that has slipped on banana’s for so long they do not know which is East or West ..North or South..this country is dizzy with corruption and only Paul can stop the spinning..

  2. This is definitely not a suspension or ending of his campaign. Today (5/15) there are two primaries (Nebraska and Oregon). After that, there are 9 more primaries and 1 caucus. 4 of those primaries are winner-take-all. Some are “unbound” states in total, or have threshold-based delegate allocation. ALL have some sort of state (and possibly county or district) conventions to actually select the delegates. This is basically the same strategy the Paul campaign has been following, except that he may not be buying ad time in these states (which is a bit disappointing in Texas and California).

    The only states still to hold their “primary” are:
    New Jersey
    New Mexico
    South Dakota
    No-Mariana Isl (caucus)

    However, well over half of the states have not yet selected delegates, and that is where Paul feels the campaign’s money is best spent.

    • Neville: And that makes perfect sense. Why waste money and energy in contests that are either (a) meaningless beauty contests, or (b) winner-take-all, and would yield nothing.

      However, “carry a strong MESSAGE to the Republican national convention” sounds like he no longer hopes to win. “PARTICULARLY in state, local, and Congressional elections” sounds like he’s saying, don’t bother with the national ticket. “I hope. . .REMAIN deeply involved,” sounds like he is afraid they’ll fall apart.

      I guess we will have to wait and see what he means when he says: “In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy.”

  3. With all this support around the country that is helping him win by HUGE margins over Ron Paul, shouldn’t every single one of us personally KNOW more people that are supporting Mit Romney than there are people we personally know supporting Ron Paul?? Wouldn’t the numbers so far pretty much guarantee that? I DO NOT know 1 person supporting Mitt Romney. Since Mit Romey has had a total of 4,554,618 people vote for him so far in the primary/straw poll that have taken place so far and Ron Paul has had a total of 1,186,874 people vote for him in the primary/straw poll that have taken place so far, all of us should personally know twice as many people voting for Mit Romney than we know are voting for Ron Paul. I challenge ANYBODY to come up with 5 people they personally know who is voting for Mitt Romney.
    With Romney, in some states, beating Ron Paul in the straw poll on the first night of the caucus sometimes 200,000+ votes to Ron Paul’s 90,000+ where are those hundreds of thousands of Mitt Romney supporters the rest of the way through the caucus process? You would think with that much support, Ron Paul supporters would not even come close to taking over all of these conventions.
    Where is all of Romney’s support??
    We KNOW WTF is going on and it’s time we call Romney and the main stream media and the GOP out!!!


    The GOP IS CRAZY if they think Romney will bring in more votes than Paul. If the votes are NOT rigged, Romney does not stand a chance AT ALL.
    It’s pretty clear to me it’s all pretty much orchestrated theatre to make it look close and appear as if our votes a truly counted.
    RON PAUL’S campaign NEEDS to threaten to out those behind the fraud and if they don’t come clean, I AM ready as I hope everybody else is ready to take this country back by FORCE. There are so MANY of us they wouldn’t stand a chance and the military is on our side guaranteed. All they have are cops on their side and they will back down the minute they see what they are up against. If Ron Paul isn’t going to beat the fraud and cheats and stear this country in the right direction, WE NEED TO GROW A PAIR AND RISE UP AGAINST THIS TYRANNY!!
    If we do NOT, things will be a lot worse if we continue to let the control freak psychopaths who are running things now, continue to run things!
    All the signs are right in front of our faces telling us where we are heading and if you can’t see that it’s NOT A GOOD DIRECTION, then enjoy your happy place while it lasts because this election is our last chance. YOU ALL KNOW IT! WE ALL CAN FEEL IT!! SO LETS QUIT F****** around and either call the fraudsters and cheats out NOW or we do nothing, let them skrew our candidate and then we rise up, kick their asses and take our country back!! These are our only 2 options! There is no option of doing nothing about any of this and letting them do what they want!!
    Id like to avoid the fight so lets call these unAmerican SOB out TODAY!!!!

  4. This was in a later email from Jesse Benton, Paul’s chief strategist:

    “Unfortunately, barring something very unforeseen, our delegate total will not be strong enough to win the nomination. Governor Romney is now within 200 delegates of securing the party’s nod. However, our delegates can still make a major impact at the National Convention and beyond.”

    I think it’s clear that Paul does not think he can win. His goal at this point (and really ever since his 2008 run) is to influence the Republican Party and lay the groundwork for a win by a future Liberty candidate.

    • Ryan Belcher — this is yet another grievous blunder by Jesse Benton.

      The reason a petition is in the process to be filed to have Mr. Benton removed from Ron Paul’s campaign.

      at the weekend — the count was:

      Actual Delegates
      Romney —342
      Paul —109

      as of yesterday:

      Actual Delegates
      Romney —322
      Paul —128

      TBA at States Conventions: 1660

      Shows the Mitt is losing, while Ron Paul is gaining.

      • Surfisher – When Jesse Benton fully knows the actual delegate counts, what makes you think his statement was a blunder? Why would he regurgitate the mainstream media lies when he knows the truth? Ron Paul and Benton are using the mainstream media to their advantage brilliantly right now–because you can be sure no Ron Paul delegate or voter is going to be dissuaded from their efforts to advance Liberty. (We’ve been reading the same crap for months now and it has not stopped a single one of us yet; why would it now? Romneybots, on the other hand, accept whatever programming is fed to them.) People often do not take care when they think they are in control of a situation…

        Maybe this will make it clearer what is going on. Watch it twice if you don’t understand the first time.

        • OK:

          This is a little off-topic, but that video reminds me of movies that really annoy me. The hero knocks down the villain/monster/enemy, and immediately gets up and turns his back on them, without even trying to be sure the bad guy is down for the count.

          Back on topic, perception IS reality most of the time. The GOP establishment has said the GOP race is over. The media believe them and tell that to the public. Most of the public firmly believes that, now.

          It’s like the referee has already spoken.

          I agree that it will be very hard to explain to the public how it happened if Mittens doesn’t have his hand raised at the convention.

  5. He is NOT ending his campaign! I will be voting for him as will thousands of his supporters. Stop spreading lies, if he is TRULY as far behind as the lying media claims, what are they so afraid of that they must blatantly lie about him quitting! He has done no such thing, and they are all aware of it!

  6. Good analysis Nate. Definitely not suspending his campaign. He’s been massively successful at the conventions, because his grassroots support is well-educated on party rules. He fails in the popular vote because he doesn’t have the 10s of millions of Goldman Sachs and other financial institution donations that the Romster has to run ads and awaken the sleeping masses who seem to vote for whoever the TV tells them to.

    The MSM will be scratching their heads when he gives Romster a run for his money at the RNC.

    • Main Stream Media — the only truth they report is the date….


      ….Today, May 15th 2012 (true date) — after that, all is lies….

      • Surf:

        It’s not lies. The media are just superficial. You have to be CLEAR and CONCISE if you want your message to get across. They don’t want to have to think.

        I have to admit that I was totally confused looking at RP’s ACTUAL message. It sounded like something from Alan Greenspan.

        Either he’s in or he’s out, but who knows? The letter sounded defeatist–that this is just part of a long battle, as if this campaign had been lost.

        Maybe he was so vague because he doesn’t want the media to report that the real battle is for delegates–until after he has locked up enough to keep Slick Willard from winning.

        But, seriously, if even Jesse Benton doesn’t know what RP is saying, how can you expect a bunch of superficial reporters to figure it out?

          • Surf:

            It’s over a half hour, but right up front, the Ron Paul guy tells the press that Ron Paul can’t win, that Romney is only 200 delegates away at this point, that it’s a lost cause, but Ron Paul will work in other ways toward his goal. Sure can’t blame the media (including Drudge) for drawing the conclusion that “Ron Paul is Out.”

            On the other hand, the Ron Paul guy also said what I was saying all along–that the REASON Slick Willard has done so well is that the other candidates have given up. If the ABR (anybody but Romney) candidates had focused on HIM, they coulda made him toast. Instead, they beat up on each other “trying to be number two,” and gave Rmoney a boost.

      • Good one…RonPaul2012 …pick a running mate Ron make it a good one…for you maybe making history come November..

  7. Ron Paul is the best candidate. He must fight effectively to the end. He fights for his country and for his nation. He is the only normal, sane, wise presidential candidate and he means improvement and changes. He must try henceforth.

  8. My thoughts:

    1) Ron Paul HAS to become our next President! The mantle of delivering us from this evil government is being thrust upon him — and he, being the brave Patriot, WILL accept it…we just need to do our part to assure his win in Tampa (make sure all National Delegates are aware of RNC rule #38)!

    2) Seems his team though, is pulling back the reins:

    a) Benton SEEMS to be conceding to Mitt (perhaps a ploy to have his hawks relax)?
    b) What is worrisome is the transparent attempt to conciliate with Rmoney (the bartering of principles is the downfall of liberty).
    c) The plea to have Ron Paul supporters respect the BLATANT Frauds perpetrated in front of their own eyes (that one is a shocker — rather than expose the GOP’s PERFIDY, the people are asked to close their eyes, be mute and accept their disenfranchisement for the sake of DECORUM)!?

    3) Benton further astounds us with the comment that Ron Paul may, or may NOT, speak at the Tampa Convention (ploy, subterfuge or just plain betrayal)? Ron Paul HAS to make his speech in Tampa (which will finally give his message a national exposure)!

    4) Benton seems to indicate that the goal is no longer to win the presidency, but rather to eventually change the Republican Party by the election of a few Ron Paul supporters in key positions (long term wishing, rather than a spot on solution — the nomination of Ron Paul)?

    My apodictic statements — and you can bet the farm they’ll transpire (unless Ron Paul wins)!

    A) Mitt Rmoney will NEVER become President (his “followers” are apathetic, and Ron Paul’s true supporters will NEVER vote for him, but will write him in instead — meaning Mitt will lose about 10% of the Republican vote and possibly 5% from the Libertarian one).

    B) Therefore, the BO will be reelected by a landslide.

    C) All of the myopic visions of Jesse Benton’s goal to have some Ron Paul supporters get elected in order to give the Republican Party “new vision”, will come to naught — since the BO will have 4 more years to finish the destruction of our nation he started (and by the time he’s done, the BO will also be successful in destroying ALL opposition…such as a “NEW” Republican Party ).

    D) Under the BO’s second term: Expect the disappearance of ALL individual Freedom, a total collapse of our economy, loss of right to private property, a police state that tells us what to do…or else…! And that’s just the tip of the iceberg!

    The ONLY Logical Conclusion that follows to prevent the above is:

    Mitt Romney HAS to withdraw from the race now IN FAVOR of Ron Paul, and pledge his total support of Ron Paul! (Failure to do so, will result in Mitt becoming an UGLY footnote in US History — as the one that ASSURED the BO’s DESTRUCTION of the USA, because he, Mitt, was too selfish to assume he may win — when faced with the FACTS he NEVER could)!

    Send this to the Mitt — Resign NOW in Favor of Ron Paul, or be cursed LATER as the one that Destroyed The USA!

    Below is Jesse Benton’s message:


  9. Peace, Ron Paul supporters! Ron Paul has not quit, his strategy hasn’t changed, the campaign goes on and the delegates will be working for us in Tampa! There is more to his message than what first meets the eye. Read, read, read but don’t be mislead by the negative operatives posing as Ron Paul supporters or MSM. There is more to this story, have confidence, stay positive, keep working and donate!

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    “We, as a group, now have a greater moral responsibility to act than those who live in ignorance. Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it.” – Ron Paul, Rally for the Republic

  10. Ron Paul to WIN in Tampa — see HOW below!

    Superb article — must read!

    Some key points:

    “Romney’s Achilles’ heel is a moral one. It is the sum of all of the cheating that has been done in his favor by the party. For example…
    In Oklahoma, party officials pulled out a ballroom divider to cordon off Ron Paul supporters and shut them out of participation. Later they turned out the lights. Voice votes that were clearly lost were declared won….In Virginia, at a district convention, officials coaxed the Ron Paul delegation outside and then locked the door. The pastor of the church that was hosting the event was, himself, locked outside.”

    (And the parade of GOP frauds in favor of Mitt goes on: nearly in every State!)

    Add to this breaking rule #11 —“…the GOP wasn’t bound by its own rules when it chose to provide material support to Romney while the race was still ongoing.”

    It is the American Way to support an underdog — Ron Paul in this case — “People get very excited about an underdog who can win — especially if he is an underdog that was kept down by nefarious means.”

    Read this superb article — and pass it on!

    Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012!

    (there are no other options!)

  11. Government is an ever growing Parasite — Unchecked it will eventually engulf the Host it feeds on (We The People), until it sucks US dry. At which point it will HAVE to Collapse, since the feeding is over once the people have been bled to death.

    Unfortunately Parasites have no brains — so cannot foresee their own Demise once they end us.

    Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012
    (there are no other options!)

  12. the Irony of all this hate is that Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are actually good friends…… I am all for a Romney/ Paul ballet

  13. , like the majority of the MSM is trying to ignore Texas Congressman Ron Paul’s campaign but that isn’t going to make it go away . Dr Paul is doing great , he just doesn’t talk to the Liberal Lamestream Media because he knows as we know that they are less then bias in their reporting. Romney supposely won Maine and Nevada and yet Dr. Paul will have the majority of delegates in those and a dozen other states come this August in Tampa . Take this into consideration PLUS the revelation that Rule 38 of the RNC rules which state that “no delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional district to impose the unit rule.” and you can see that there is going to be a upset in 3 months . Romney and the RNC will pay dearly for violating Rule 11 , and the swing vote from romney to Paul will be evidence of this .

  14. If Ron Paul the Isolationist gets elected every Tom, Dick and Harry terrorist will have a field day and all hell will break loose.

    Pre WWII all over again. The only thing that would save us then is if Paul got a got dose of reality and saw reality. Then he could resign or change his policy.

    Thank God that before WWII Winston Churchill changed the course of England’s Isolationism.

    Paul targets young folks because they are not old enough to understand that Isolationism is the worse threat to America. I’m 57 and know better.

    We need to fight wars different. Use our strengths. Bomb them instead of invading them.

    • Tim:

      Or we could, you know, HOT invade or bomb countries.

      Ron Paul is not an isolationist. Just the opposite. He wands an AGGRESSIVE policy of diplomacy and trade.

      Instead of threatening and abusing other countries, negotiate and compete economically. Involve them. Lead them in healthy ways.

      Teddy Roosevelt said we should “walk softly and carry a big stick.” But our recent history is stomping around like a two-year-old, throwing international tantrums–destroying both our economic health and becoming an international laughing stock.

      Maybe if you were a few years older, you’d remember the lessons of Vietnam. . . .

      • Ron Paul is a classic Pre and Post WWII Isolationist. His heart is in the right place but Isolationism never works because the bullies have always taken advantage.

        England under Chamberlain tried this route and then were surprised when Germany took advantage.

        Right now Syria has finished killing in Homs, Syria and is started going in houses in another town and killing whole families. The death toll is over 10,000 so far.

        We shouldn’t start attacks because it is in our best interest but because people are being killed.

        We should the attack the dictator only if possible. No invasion. No nation building. Do it by air. Shouldn’t cost more than 1 mil to do it. No Trillion dollar invasion.

        Isolation is an response to tyranny by not responding to it and has nothing to do with trade. On the other hand we have traded with China and now they think they own us.

        We should only trade with people with the same values as us. Why would you trade with Syria, Iran, China, etc… who will use the money to abuse there own people.

        Also I was in the Navy in 1973. I am 57. Teddy Roosevelt would never have been an Isolationist. Read his saying again.

        I like everything Ron Paul says except Isolationism. I am forced to support Romney now and actually like Paul better as a person. If he ever sees the folly of Isolationism I may actually support him. But this is a deal breaker. It is very very dangerous.

        Obama could bring down America. Isolationism can bring down the world. America can’t be Imperialist if we are protecting those who can’t protect themselves.

        • I started writing my other response while you were posting this one… Tim, I do agree with you on one thing–when we do take military action (when Congress declares a war)they should do it surgically, not massive scale.

          • Tim & OK:

            With today’s instant communication (cell phones, Twitter, Facebook, etc.), there is absolutely NO REASON to continue to have ANY war without a legal declaration. The Constitution requires that CONGRESS declare war.

            Congress abdicated its responsibility, primarily, to AVOID responsibility. Blame it on the President, and the President claims to have “secret information” that made war necessary. And of course, the President always says immediate action was required.


            With current technology, the President should be required to consult with the Vice President (President of the Senate) and the Speaker of the House. They should then be required to send an immediate call for a declaration of war. The whole process could be completed in minutes, and we would once again have a Constitutional government (in this regard, at least).

          • Latest Willard Quote:

            “If I’m elected,
            you won’t have to wake up every day,
            wondering if the president is on your side.”

            That is–if Rmoney is elected, you’ll KNOW he’s NOT on your side.

            That would relieve the anxiety of not knowing.

    • Tim, quite the opposite. The very reason we are the target of terrorists in the first place is because of our interventionist, war mongering foreign policy of the last few decades. (I’m in my forties, by the way. Not far behind you there, Tim.)

      Terrorists don’t hate Americans because of our freedom or because most Americans are Christian. They hate us because we have been over there occupying the Middle East trying to mold their politics and killing massive numbers of innocent civilians along with military targets, for decades. It was no acccident or coincidence that 9/11 was perpetrated on the anniversary of Israel becoming a nation. This was to send a message to us that THEY WANT US TO LEAVE THEM ALONE and get the hell out of their business and mind our own.

      If we had some foreign nation meddling in North American affairs for decades with a large military presence trying to enforce their foreign agenda and using force to do it, what do you think America would do? I can guarantee you, we would make 9/11 look like a day at Disneyland. I’m not saying what they did was right, don’t get me wrong here. I am saying AMERICA CAUSED IT by our reckless, disrespectful foreign policy that goes against everything our Founding Fathers said about foreign policy.

      Ron Paul’s policy is the same as Thomas Jefferson’s. “Free trade and commerce, entangling alliances with none.” That is NOT isolationism. Our current policy has more of an effect of isolationism, truth be told, because so many nations now hate us and wish we would disappear off the planet because of the oppression and death and destruction we wreak around the globe. If you want isolationism, look at North Korea. Ron Paul favors non-interventionism. There is a huge difference. And he is not against going to war IF IT IS NECESSARY AND IF CONGRESS DECLARES A WAR as per the Constitution, which unfortunately has been ignored by the last several presidents.

      Running around the globe with our military and forcing our will upon other nations has not made us safer; it has caused tremendous backlash and we are never going to pull this nation out of debt and avoid an inevitable complete implosion of our currency and financial markets someday as long as we are spilling blood and treasure being the Empire policing the whole world. It’s out of control and we need to get back to minding our own business, and only getting involved in wars when absolutely necessary. We keep borrowing billions from China to pay off yesterday’s interest while our debt continues to grow exponentially, and this simply cannot go on forever. I think Ron Paul makes a lot of sense. He has opened my eyes to a lot of things. It’s about much more than just wanting more peace and less war. It’s about ensuring the future of this nation’s very existence.

      • You need to read my post again. We should not invade, occupy or nation build.

        Also if you take out the people who are killing there own people, who cares about taking them out.

        You Isolationist folks are really saying that in response to 9/11 or to the killing in Syria that only if we had played nice with the thugs they would learn to love us.

        You are dealing with those who want to enforce there ideas for world domination on us. Christians may have started this nonsense during the crusades but in the modern world you need to take out the bullies in Syria, Iran, North Korea just as we did in Germany. Not the country but the bully.

        I keep getting the responses about bombing countries. We should bomb the leader of the country.

        That said we should have the congress declare the war. In secret so we can have the ship send the planes in 5 minutes later.

        Also Isolationism = non=interventionism.

        • Tim, I agree with you up to a point. Sometimes war is necessary. I cheered when Bush said “We’re coming after you, you guys who did this (9/11), we’re going to hunt you down.” It’s unfortunate that instead of being a well organized, limited operation focused on getting OBL, instead this turned into the longest running war in our history. The way it’s turned out is not OK in my book. It’s all about profiteering for the Military Industrial Complex.

          And Obama just signed an agreement that will keep us in Afghanistan until 2024?!?!? This is NOT the change I voted for!!!!!

          Anyway, I do agree with a lot of what you said. It certainly would be much better than what we’re doing now.

          I still disagree on your definition of Isolationism, because that suggests that we would never ever go to war, and that is not Ron Paul’s position at all. People tend to misunderstand him on that point. He has said many times, “If we’re going to go to war, then Congress must declare that war, and we need to have a plan, a goal, and an exit strategy, and then go fight the war, win it, and come home. Not go off without a proper declaration of war and then stay overseas forever, with no end in sight.” That’s not verbatim, just to the best of my recollection, but it’s not hard to find clips from the debates this year and that’s basically what he says.

          Anyway, I think we agree on more than we disagree, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness on the topic.

          • I have thought about this over many years.

            Assuming that you KNOW what’s really going on inside a country (on both sides of an issue), and assuming you have the divine wisdom to determine what is the right path for other peoples to follow, where do you draw the line? There have bee regimes in Africa worse than anywhere else. And if you look into what’s going on, there isn’t a government on earth that “deserves” to exist. So where do you draw the line?

            I was in a meeting this week with two people who said we should have joined Hitler in fighting Stalin. How do you make such determinations of just WHO is worse than someone else?

            It would be great if we could determine absolute WORST government on earth at any moment, and focus on just that ONE regime at a time.

            It would be great if the nations of the world could agree on that point–the way that GHW Bush got UNIVERSAL agreement that the “Gulf War” was the right thing to do. I don’t think there was ever a world leader like GHW Bush–a true leader is someone who leads, and others naturally follow. (Unlike his cowboy chicken-hawk son, who just wanted to run out, guns a’blazin’, cameras flashing, and not caring what anyone thought, or caring about consequences.)

            I agree that we had to respond to 9/11. But as OK said, it should have had SOME kind of plan, goal, purpose, limit. . .

            After 9/11, even the FRENCH were saying “we are ALL Americans now,” for crying out loud. A better president (like his father) would have USED that good will for good result, instead of squandering it and nearly destroying our own country in the process.

            The MANNER in which this decade-plus of war was waged may eventually be viewed by history as America’s “Spanish Armada”–wasting the nation’s wealth, power, and influence in a silly attempt to “punish” the world.

            I am not an isolationist, but in our immediate communication world, there is no longaer ANY reason that ANY president should EVER commit us to a war without a constitutional declaration of war FROM Congress.

  15. I’m surprised that Nate didn’t start a new discussion about Slick Willard “achieving” the delegates he needs to get the nomination. Or doesn’t Texas matter?

    Are we simply ending the discussion here?

    Will Ron Paul supporters sit out the fall election? Go over to support the Libertarian candidate? Abdicate integrity and support Rmoney? Focus on the locals and let Willard twist slowly in the wind? [That’s a Watergate reference, for you kids.]

    What about the convention? Will the Ron Paul supporters continue to get as many delegates elected as possible? Try to run AS “Romney delegates?? Try to abstain from the first ballot? Push Rule 38 interpretations? Walk out?

    Is it all over already? Is there anybody out there?

    • Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012!

      Here is the difference btwn Perfidy Mitt and Honest Ron Paul:

      On one hand (more apt: underhanded) — the Mitt (who’s only real support is NOT for him, but AGAINST the BO — the usual voting for “the lesser of two evils” mentality) knows he needs to resort to all frauds and crookedness, to have a chance to win the nomination (in order to lose to the BO). These are the forces of the Dark Side.

      On the other hand — there is Light! Ron Paul’s message of what is TRUE is irrefutable. It has ignited the hopes of all good people in our nation (and around the world) that Truth will win out over Lies, Good will trample Evil, Liberty will prevail against Tyranny, Government will bow to the Will of The People (not the other way around as the BO and the Mitt desire), all senseless Wars will be put to an end (we’ll speak softly again, but also carry a big stick), The Law of the Land will be the Original US Constitution (and all the hundreds-of-thousands of OPPRESSIVE Laws, Rules and Regulations passed unconstitutionally will be NEGATED), that the Citizen will be Sovereign AGAIN (and Government will become the Subject), that US Money will have Intrinsic Value AGAIN (not Promissory Notes printed ad hoc by a Private and Corrupted to the CORE Organization: The Feds) thus guaranteeing Prosperity once again…and the list goes on!

      Despite the organized effort by the controlled media (here and abroad) and the nefarious means of our crooked politicians and their hired thugs, The People have embraced the Last American Patriot — Dr. Ron Paul — and the liberty flame that burns within us WILL NEVER be extinguished!

      Our time is NOW (since we’ll reach the Point of No Return if the BO or the Mitt steal our Nation away from US) — We, the REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE, will fight for this cause that is Just and Honorable! You, the Despots in Power NOW, may spill our blood, but unless you kill us all, We, The Real American People, WILL END your reign of tyranny and corruption!

      Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012!
      (there are no other options!)

  16. I’m not big on politics, but would love to see ron paul run for president. He has a lot of good points compared to the other two.

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