Saturday evening saw the third installment of the Huckabee Forum series on Fox News. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee hosted the forum with three GOP candidates taking questions on the economy and unemployment from Wilmington, Ohio.

Original Air Date: Saturday, March 3 at 8pm ET on Fox News

Participants: Romney, Santorum, Gingrich

Full video courtesy of ElectAd.com

Ron Paul was invited to attend as well, however, he requested to be present via satellite and this request was denied by the Huckabee forum producers. See this report on Ron Paul’s absence.

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  1. I personally agree with Ron Paul where he says that Mike Huckabee and his Staff are “Arrogant” for not letting him particiapte in the Forum via Satellite. Ron is campaigning in Alaska, crying out loud!

    Besides, Huckabee is just the “surrogate clone” for Rick Santorum. He ALWAYS puts his foot in his mouth!

    On December 26th, 2011 – Mike Huckabee appearing on Fox News said this: “Ron Paul’s not going to be elected president. He’s not,” Huckabee emphatically stated.

    He then went on to say “I don’t want to savage Barack Obama,” Huckabee explained. “I disagree with his policies, but I respect him as a human being, I think he is a ‘decent, patriotic’ American.”

    http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/12/26/huckabee-ron-paul-cant-win-obama-a-decent-patriotic-american/

    Gee. When you listen to Romney, Gingrich and Santorum – you’d think Obama was the Devil incarnate!

    Isn’t it interesting that right after the 2008 Campaign, Anti-Ron Paul Neo-Con Mike Huckabee “landed” a real “cushy” job with Fox News? And meanwhile, Pro-Ron Paul Supporter Judge Napolitano, is “fired” from Fox News because of a “supposed” Business Decision?

    I bet millions upon millions of people are staying up late because they “hang-on-every-word” from Mike Huckabee. It’s so laughable!

    • We have to ask ourselves – “Why does the mainstream media (Fox News) refuse to cover the ONLY candidate with the true conviction to support and preserve our United States Constitution?” Unlike the other GOP Candidates, Ron Paul has the “Consistent Record” to PROVE it!

      You’d think that “Mr. Patriotic” American, Mike Huckabee, along with “America’s News Network”, FOX News, would go out-of-their-way to accommodate a Conservative Constitutionalist Statesman, like Ron Paul for the Huckabee Forum. In fact, if they are as “patriotic” as they say they are, they should have “moved” the Huckabee Forum TO Alaska so that Ron Paul could share his Wisdom and Thoughts with the FOX Audience. Instead, they got the mishmash of “twiddle-dee vs. twiddle-dum vs. twiddle-REAL-dum”.

      • For the love of God please STOP and think about it rationally for just one second. Ron Paul was invited and FREELY choose to decline. There are many instances of the media blatantly ignoring his candidacy, but this is not one. Quit crying wolf every second of every day.

        • Andres Martin

          OK. I thought about it for one second.

          Ron Paul is Campaigning in Alaska. Alaska is over 3000 MILES away from Ohio. Ron Paul wanted to participate in the Huckabee Forum via satellite, but Huckabee said NO.

          Huckabee KNEW Ron Paul’s Campaign Schedule, along with all the other Candidate’s Schedules. Why should Ron Paul change his schedule in order to “kiss the ring” of Mike Huckabee, when Mike Huckabee has already come out AGAINST Ron Paul? (And they say that the Liberal Media is “biased” – LOL)

          • I do agree that Mike Huckabee tends to put his foot in his mouth a lot. Huckabee should have explained better why Ron Paul couldn’t attend instead of making him sound bad by simply telling people that Ron Paul downright refused. Lets face it though, Ron Paul is not the most popular candidate and he is very likely not going to become president. Senator Paul did request to participate via satellite and it was turned down by Fox News producers probably because either they did not have the means to provide that service or did not want to work with the logistics that would be required. So, I agree with Andres Martin when you should stop pulling out these ridiculous conspiracy theories when they are obviously not very well thought through. I highly doubt that Fox News would allow Mike Huckabee to schedule the show specifically to make it impossible for Ron Paul to be present (even with their apparent dislike for Ron Paul’s ideas), it would be too inconvenient for Fox News to go through the trouble and give fire to people like you to cry “CONSPIRACY”. To sum up, your argument is mostly baseless, and your support for Ron Paul is, in my opinion, poorly chosen especially since he is still in some cases competing against candidates who have already dropped out.

        • It’s funny how so many people talk about how Ron Paul didn’t show up, but yet if you look at the topic of this forum… Jobs? really? jobs are the least of our worries here in america right now. I have been everything from homeless to a student to holding down 2 jobs (never dared 3). I can honestly say that it is not hard to find a job out there if you are really looking for one.. apply at fast food, at walmart, at target.. doesn’t matter so long as it pays. if you aren’t making enough, maybe you are spending too much! If I was invited to this forums as a presidential candidate i would decline based solely on the topic. Focus on the things that matter for crying out loud! big government, war, foreign policy, finances, corruption.. if we continue to focus on only the things that are affected by the big issues, then how are we every going to actually fix anything?

          • Bob I am unemployed. I have applied at Walmart, Target, Sears, Kmart and many positions. With no Retail sales backgrounds I don’t qualify.

            I am trained in Accounting, Info Systems, Office Administration, Desktop Publishing and Manufacturing and applying for anything I think I can do.

            Through no fault of my own I have been unemployed 5 times in the last 15yrs.

            I don’t think your past unemployment is the same as this period because this time it is very different. In the past I have had several interviews a week with up to 8 or 9 a week. This time I have had about 8 or 9 in 6 months. I look for jobs as a full time job.

            It has finally been picking up with 3 of those interviews the last 2 weeks. By the way we have stayed in the black vs the Red because we don’t overspend.

            I think even though there may be other things as equally important, jobs are very important. To say we shouldn’t be concerned about Obama’s driving business to reduce hiring is crazy.

            To be honest I don’t really think you have studied the issue at enough length and are making comments not based on facts.

      • Totally agree, they should have accommodated Ron Paul, but then where has Fox ever lived up to its ad “fair and unbiased” frankly in all the years it’s been running, it’s completely the reverse, interesting, how it accommodates other interviews by sat when it suits them….

    • Ron Paul was invited but requested to be present via satellite. That would have badly effected the personalism of the forum and frankly, not help Paul’s position. He had two weeks to rearrange his schedule to be there….as did the other candidates. Do you really think the other candidates didn’t have something else they could be doing. Come on…you’re so passionate about supporting Ron Paul that you can’t see things clearly. Ron Paul is a smart man with some good ideas. This would have been a perfect opportunity for him to share them. It was a bad decision to not be there…but it was his own. That to me displays poor judgement on his part. Not really a quality I would look for in a president. Too bad, because he seems to see things clearly otherwise.

    • You know how Michael, Tammy, and Devan all dodged the question Huckabee asked? “who impressed you tonight and have they convinced you to vote for them” which btw #1: points them to vote away from Ron Paul and #2: got a very clear desire from Tammy and Devan that they want a candidate who will be able to work with both sides. I thought that caused an unintentional backfire on what Huckabee was trying to do here. (make these three look better than Ron Paul” Considering what all three of these candidated have said repeatedly about how being libral is wrong and “doomed to fail” the only candidate capable of uniting the government is Ron Paul.

      • Most times I would agree with you about media bias, and sometimes about Huckabee being biased, but this time I have to ask, what’s your point?! That Ron Paul couldn’t jump his old, happy ass on a plane, fly down then back. Is he too good? Should Huckabee and the 3 other candidates “kiss Paul’s errr, ring”?!

  2. Ron Paul has lost all of my respect. Which is sad, because while I was not for him for President, I was hoping he would get a position in the cabinet and thus be able to help implement some needed reform. But, he’s shown himself to be against the people by getting delegates that will vote contrary to the caucus vote. He can’t possibly get enough delegates that way to win, but his front person in that Rachel Maddow interview made it clear that he thinks he can get enough to be a spoiler.

    I know Daryl and Surfisher will come back with some vile, unfounded attack against me, but I always shrugged that off as just part of politics–every candidate attracts undesirables. Now I know that they truly do reflect Ron Paul’s character. Sad to see someone with so much potential for helping America resort to such unAmerican behavior.

    • Marlene,
      I agree with you that Daryl and Surfisher will probably come against you with some sort of anger. But I don’t think they are necessarily undesirables. They just put all their hope in the candidate and he is not doing so well.
      I don’t think running to spoil is so bad however. If he can leverage his delegate total to modify the platform it would be a stroke of genius. Sadly, I don’t see his current campaign course winning enough delegates to prevent Romney from winning on the first ballot and leaving the republican party in the grip of the tea party.
      If that happens we have a worse scenario developing. If Obama wins he will call it a mandate for his policies and if Romney wins we will have a republican jimmy carter. *sigh*

      • Darryl and Surfisher’s recent shenanigans are a surprise to me. Darryl’s post marathon on the last video baffled me. Their earliest posts were civil and contained less ranting. I suppose they feel they have the right after B. Anderson antagonized them so with less than acceptable replies. I guess they figured Anderson opened the flood gates after he just used blatant insults (with a video where Gingrich was deemed innocent of some charges or other.

        Marlene,
        One who makes unfounded claims should expect unfounded attacks. 🙂
        “Now I know that they truly do reflect Ron Paul’s character.”

        Augie,
        I disagree with you that Ron Paul is doing badly. He is 2nd in delegates which is all that matters. Now… 2nd isn’t really gonna win anything but last time i checked 2nd isn’t too bad in things that involve more than 2 people.
        However i agree with you on the point that Romney has a good chance of winning the delegates needed to get the nomination. He will do as Obama did and run on promises. Although i don’t see how people are still voting for him.Obama’s record is as clean as Paul’s. All they got on Obama was his birth certificate and his middle name. But Romney’s record of vulture capitalism and flip flopping should discourage any intelligent voter.

        Voting Obama 2012!!!
        Reasons Why (I’m assuming Ron Paul won’t get the nomination):
        1: Newt, Rick, and Mittens will just bungle the things Obama did (good or bad) and nothing else (positively)
        2: War, as much as i love the idea of foreigners dying, I don’t like the country going to wars I (being an tax paying American citizen) can’t pay for. All i hear from Newt, Rick and Mittens concerning foreign policy is, “War, War, Israel wants War, Go to war, Iran bad go war, Fence, Deportation, Illegals, War, Drug War. ”
        3: If we gave Bush a second chance….. We gave BUSH (the younger one) a second chance…..
        4: “We need to add ships, we need to modernize our aircraft….” -Mittens
        Does no one else see it. Romney is obviously war profiteering.
        5: On their policy regarding Iran and their nuclear program the Iranians probably found that we give free food to hostile nations that is “in the process of building a nuke” *wink wink* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17201046 (I know that Iran started its program before the N. Korean negotiations)
        6: Government can be big for all i care, they just need to tax us more if they want to be that big. Since government officials are clearly too chicken to even propose such a thing, things need to be cut. The peanut gallery won’t do such a thing. (cutting any Obama/Bush projects do not count as all the Republican candidates have said they will do so)
        7: I hate Romney plain and simple. In my opinion anyone voting for him is either Mormon or a moron. (A good number of Americans voted for Obama because he was black)
        8: I have more reasons, but they are either related to “Romney is slime” or “Pro-Paul”

        This country is in $15,461,091,000,000 of debt as of 2:19 A.M. March 5, 2012. There no guarantee that Ron Paul’s presidency will cut that debt but he would decrease, not increase, the deficit as the Stooges will. Heck the only reason i voted for Obama last time was because he promised to cut the debt in half.

        • Bryan A. —

          Good post! With one notable qualification — “One who makes Unfounded Claims should expect Unfounded Attacks. :)” — the logical exposition of the fallacy of Unfounded Claims is a warranted response, not an Unfounded Attack (or did you misprint ‘founded’).

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          Here is what I usually do with Marlene’s infirmities in her posts:

          Marlene — re: 1)”Now I know that they (RP supporters) truly do reflect Ron Paul’s character.”
          2) “Sad to see someone (Ron Paul) with so much potential for helping America resort to such unAmerican behavior.”

          1) illogical — a person’s character is immutable (per their own merit — cannot be ‘redefined’ by the views (right or wrong) of others).

          2) non sequitur — just a silly opinion (not a valid conclusion).

          —————————————————

          If Marlene perceives this as “some vile, unfounded attack against me” — then, I apologize for her misconception….

        • “Heck the only reason i voted for Obama last time was because he promised to cut the debt in half.” And we should take your advice?!

          • Charles Purvis — just noticed this.

            He voted for Bama????? For Bama’s promises?!?!?

            WOW — Bryan A. — I thought our Nation is going down the drain, because the Ignorant Many dictate to the Intelligent Few what to do!

            But an intelligent person, such as you, voting for Bama?! — now, I know there is no hope for us ever getting our Freedoms and Prosperity back!

          • Well for one thing its from Fox News.
            http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/5123-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada

            Darryl does make a good point. On the campaign trail, two weeks is a lot shorter than one might think.
            “Huckabee KNEW Ron Paul’s Campaign Schedule, along with all the other Candidate’s Schedules. Why should Ron Paul change his schedule in
            order to “kiss the ring” of Mike Huckabee, when Mike Huckabee has already come out AGAINST Ron Paul?”

            It’s only bad judgement if he thought this debate was worth more than his campaigning he did in Washington.

            When i first learned of his skipping out again i thought it was because of the fact that it was taped. (at least that’s what i gathered from the video). Maybe he knows what fox does with non-live clips lol.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGqPxn7njqM

            Asking to appear via satellite was a bad move on his part.

            I loved gingrich’s bit on the oil prices. Santorum fumbled a bit when he talked about corporate/small business taxes. When the bakery owner cried….. no emotion from Romney whatsoever.

          • If and only if Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination of the GOP i will vote Obama. I am a realist, if the war mongering GOP doesn’t back Ron Paul i can see Paul clinching 10-20% of the votes in a presidential election. By the way things are going, that heartless puppet called Romney will get the nomination. Now Surf it is in your belief that Obama = Romney. As true as that maybe, all i see Romney doing is undoing some of what Obama has done until he is voted out. Obamacare for example in practice reduces costs… in a couple of years and enforcing it is a cost we cant pay for. But the people have already spent tax dollars on implementing it, i will not stomach a sunk cost if Romney waltzes in and pulls out the rug underneath it.
            As you can see spending under Obama is gradually decreasing. I don’t see Romney doing the same thing.
            http://www.factcheck.org/2010/07/geithners-gdp-whopper/
            Surf as much as i want to see Ron Paul in the Whitehouse to sledgehammer the debt, the possibility of that is slim thanks to the idiots who think Romney is even qualified to do the job.

            Charles Purvis, please do not devalue the meaning of promises because of my decision to pick Obama’s promises over Mccain’s promises.
            On taking my advice, think of it this way. Imagine we’re a family living in a bad neighborhood. We all feel like we need
            a gun to protect ourselves. There might be a chance that I want that gun bought more than you. But i think it’s asinine to buy a gun on credit when we already maxed out ten other credit cards.
            I want the country out of the red, YOU want the country out of the red. Take my advice.

    • Actually, Marlene, Ron Paul can win and he’s doing so already. You can be witness to the first prophecy, Ron Paul wins the nomination, it is actually possible.

    • Marlene

      Oh Please. Vile and Unfounded Attacks that reflect Ron Paul’s Character??? That’s the problem, Marlene. You, like the Main Stream Media, like to “make-stuff-up” as you go along.

      Ron Paul is NOT a “Reform” Candidate, per se. If anything, he’s a “Revamp” Candidate. “You” look at the current structure of Government and they way it is “being run” as something that “can be fixed”. Ron Paul supporters look at Government as an entity that is COMPLETELY BROKEN and getting MUCH WORSE by the day. If you want to know “how fast” our Country swirling down the drain, just look at the “National Debt Clock”.

      http://www.usdebtclock.org/

      In order for the United States to “Reverse Course”, the Role of Government needs to change. It CANNOT be “fixed”. Ron Paul has “tried and tried” to awaken Americans to the ABSOLUTE NECESSITY of returning to the “Principles” outlined in Our Constitution and by listening to the “Advice” of Our Founding Fathers. However, the “Status-Quo” Establishments, along with the “compliant” Main Stream Media, have “set-out” to marginalize Ron Paul’s Message and make him look “Radical”. (Mike Huckabee included)

      If we would have all “Paid Attention” to Ron Paul’s “warnings and admonitions” throughout the years, we would have all seen that he was RIGHT by his “Predictions” coming True. He not only made the “Dire Predictions” if we continue down this “Destructive Path”, but he gives us the “Solutions” on how to Change it. How can any “Logical Person” argue with that when ALL the other Candidates “never-saw-it-coming”? There are MANY “Accurate” Predictions which were made by Ron Paul. Here’s just one…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

      • If we would have all “Paid Attention” to Ron Paul’s “warnings and admonitions” throughout the years, we would have all seen that he was RIGHT by his “Predictions” coming True<————-This is the key to it all that so many seem to either miss or totally ignore. As far as this election goes, it should be that simple. Right there is the CLEAR distinction between RP and ALL the others. Personally, I just wish I could hear him, if only once, say proudly and as loud as he could: "If you people had listened to me over the past 30 years, we wouldn't even be having this discussion now."

    • Marlene, I disagree with Augie.

      I’ve watched all the debates on CNN, and read most of the comments for the last debate. Anderson is always the one stirring up the troubles. I pretty much skipped over all his comments after that.

      ps: If someone slap you on your right cheek, would you really turn your face to the other side so that he can award you with another. Well, I would have punch him right back, and then call the police.

      That aside, I think Huckabee is mad at Ron Paul. If I were the host, I would have just said politely that Ron Paul couldn’t come, or if he is campaigning at who knows where… But no, he sounded so pissed, and you could sense it everytime he forced himself to say the words “Ron Paul”.

      Apparently he has also abandoned his “skinny” image, and slowly returning back to his old self. It’s a relief I didn’t invest in his book.

  3. Well Darryl Obama is the devil incarnate….Oh and Judge Napolitano has not been fired. They cancelled his show, but he’s still on fox every morning….

    • Ruth

      Is Obama the Devil? Or isn’t he the Devil? If Obama is the Devil incarnate, then why didn’t “Former Pastor” – Former Governor – “Mr. Patriotic American” – Mike Huckabee “warn” us all? Instead, he calls Obama a “decent, patriotic American”, while at the same time “vilifying” Ron Paul. (The ONLY Evangelical and Veteran in the Race)

      With that said, some other questions still remain – Is Mike Huckabee “Judas Iscariot” incarnate? If so, then how many “pieces of silver” did FOX News give Mike Huckabee to “Betray” the United States of America and his “fellow” Republican, Ron Paul?

      • Ron Paul is the only sane, proper, wise man and he would be really the best president ever. Obama is good, but he is too weak to fight against this whole establishment and his administration is ot optimal, he has a few bad people in his government too.
        Such idiots like these other 3 – Romney, Santorum, Gingrich shouldn´t be elected. It will be disaster for your country and your country will not survive the next disaster of Bush´s type and this 3 are just like Bushohitler. Don´t hurt your country. Bad president will harm your nation. You will pay for it. Romney, Santorum they are against peace, against prosperity, against life, it means in free translation: more debts, more wars and it can be that you or your friends, families will be cannon fodder in wars.
        And Ron Paul as the only politician, who candidates for presidential office, wants to restore prosperity and wants to restore peace.
        He will save additionally this republcian party. They don´t think that majority of this nation would rather vote Romney or Santorum or Gingrich against Obama. They remember Bush and everybody remembers Bush globally. Normal candidate like Ron Paul must get green light to win this nomination because he is the only chance for USA, US nation and for this republican party of disaster.

    • or maybe these 3 guys: Romney, Santorum, Gingrich are devil incarnate? They are oriented anti-life, they are oriented anti-peace and pro-wars, they are oriented anti honest regulations of free market, they want to rob and ruin own country and destroy lives of US people.
      There are two candidates. Ron Paul who is good, sane, intelligent and normal politician and Obama, who is as man decent, but he is worse as candidate as Ron Paul. I think that there is really no big choice.
      One normal, sane republican Ron Paul- the only hope for own country. Voice of sanity, he supports freedom, prosperity, democracy and peace.
      and one normal democrate, whose government is not very good- B. Obama.
      Reality of USA: Wars, ,,foreign aid,, green light for speculators and military lobbysts and 13 trillions debts and if you trust for such people as Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, you will ruin own country and own lives.

      • Cal

        What Religious People FAIL to realize is that “without” Freedom and Liberty, there will be NO RESPECT for Religion or the free exercise thereof. The Constitution MUST BE Protected FOR Everyone!

        SOPA, PIPA and now ACTA are attempting to “usurp” the Right for Freedom of Speech and the Freedom of the Press. (supported by Santorum)

        The Patriot Act has essentially Repealed the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. (supported by Santorum, Gingrich and Romney)

        NDAA was signed by Obama which essentially does away with the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments of the Constitution. (supported by Romney)

        Gingrich wrote the Forward to “The Third Wave” which the Toffler’s (authors) essentially say that the Constitution needs to be “done away with” and a new Constitution created.

        Ron Paul supports the WHOLE CONSTITUTION, not just “bits and pieces”. Religious People need to WAKE UP and look pass the Rhetoric. When it comes to the Constitution, it’s either they “Protect and Defend” it ALL or the Constitution will eventually become NOTHING to Protect.

      • “Obama is good, but…”, “if you trust for such people as Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, you will ruin own country and own lives.”, Cal, you need to let us worry about our own country bud! We could really give a rat’s @ss what you think of us, matter of fact you can kiss our red, white, and blue @ss!

    • Ruth

      A Biblical Case for Ron Paul on Four Issues of Importance to Christians

      In the debate among Christians about who should be the Republican nominee for president, the discussion is unfortunately informed more often by the Gospel According to O’Reilly and the Book of Limbaugh rather than the Bible. I have therefore undertaken in this article to apply Biblical principles to four issues that are under discussion in this year’s presidential campaign, which are or should be important to Christians, including foreign policy, life, education, and monetary policy. I conclude that Ron Paul’s positions are by far the most consistent with Biblical principles and indeed that the other candidates have decidedly unbiblical views on these issues.

      Before proceeding, please note that I have entitled this article “A Biblical Case…” because I am sure there are other applicable Scriptures and perhaps other better Biblical arguments to make on this subject, but I offer the arguments below in an attempt to help my Christian brothers sort out to what extent the candidates conform to Biblical principles on the four issues that are addressed in this article.

      1. Foreign Policy

      Matthew 7:12 (ESV) – “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

      Matthew 5:9 (ESV) – “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.”

      Romans 12:18 (ESV) – “If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.”

      Hebrews 12:14 (ESV) – “Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”

      Duet. 5:17 (ESV) – “You shall not murder.”

      A government is nothing more than a group of men who possess certain powers and authority over those residing in a certain geographical area. Relations between governments are essentially relations between groups of men. There is nothing in the Bible that exempts the groups of men known as governments from the commands of God.

      Therefore, applying the commands God gave, as quoted above, Christians should urge their government to do to other nations what they wish other nations would do to them. Christians in the U.S. no doubt would like their own country to be free from invasion, attack, assassinations, covert operations, or other violent and subversive interventions by other countries’ governments, so they should advocate a foreign policy that will not involve invasion, attack, assassinations, covert operations or other violent and subversive operations by the US government in other countries, and they should support candidates for office who will oppose such unbiblical practices.

      Moreover, Christians should not advocate an interventionist foreign policy that will inevitably produce unjust wars, the killing of innocents, and the subversion and overthrow of other countries’ governments, because to do so would be to thwart the command of the Apostle Paul in Romans 12:18 to live peaceably with all. Indeed, not only do interventionist actions violate Paul’s command in themselves, but they also provoke violent responses and thus perpetuate conflict, as the United States has experienced a number of times. Such responses are known by a term the CIA coined: “blowback “. It illustrates the truth that violence begets more violence, and as Jesus said in Matthew 26:52 (NIV), “[A] ll who draw the sword will die by the sword.”

      Furthermore, a foreign policy that advocates aggressive wars (that is, wars that involve the invasion of other countries and not the repelling of an invasion of the U.S.) is anathema to the Sixth Commandment, which prohibits murder. Wars of aggression are unjust (as the Nazi leaders learned from the Allies in the trials at Nuremburg), thus making the killing associated with them unjustified (even the killing of enemy combatants) and therefore murderous. Even just wars become unjust when the means by which the war is conducted are unjust, as in the killing of innocents.

      In addition, because rulers are not exempt from the commands of God, they too must abide by the law of the land in accordance with Romans 13. The law of the land in the U.S. is the Constitution, which gives limited powers to the executive branch and only allows for war in the event that Congress has issued a declaration of war. No war since WWII has been a declared war, which means that all wars since that time have been unconstitutional and illegal, in violation of Romans 13.

      To these arguments, one might object: What about all of the dictators and repressive governments in the world? Should we just sit back and do nothing about them? First, the U.S. government for decades has been a supporter, financially and otherwise, of repressive dictators throughout the world, including Saddam Hussein in Iraq in the 1980s, Hosni Mubarak in Egypt until he was overthrown in 2011, the Shah of Iran (whom the U.S. government installed after overthrowing the democratically elected Mossadegh), Pinochet in Chile, Noriega in Panama, Diem in Vietnam, and many others. If Christians are concerned about repressive dictators, then they should urge the U.S. government to stop supporting them.

      Second, if we were to operate on the principle that the U.S. must overthrow repressive dictators, there would be no end to war until our own country collapsed economically, because contrary to popular belief, wars destroy wealth, not only for those whose lives and property are destroyed, but also for those who pay for the destruction (e.g., U.S. taxpayers).

      Third, the best way to influence a country is through open and free trade, which leads to the exchange of ideas. As Ron Paul has said, “Ideas are very important to the shaping of society. In fact, they are more powerful than bombings or armies or guns. And this is because ideas are capable of spreading without limit. They are behind the choices we make. They can transform the world in a way that governments and armies cannot. Fighting for liberty with ideas makes more sense to me than fighting with guns or politics or political power. With ideas, we can make real change that lasts.” China provides a great example of this principle. The U.S. opened relations with China in the early 1970s, and since that time, owing to trade and the consequent exchange of ideas, China has liberalized more and more, and the people of China have prospered. Of course, China is not yet a beacon of liberty, but the point is that it changed for the better without the use of sanctions or bombs. It is no longer Mao’s China.

      The lesson is clear: The U.S. should stop installing and supporting repressive governments, stop overthrowing and attempting to overthrow other governments, and instead pursue peaceful commercial relations with other countries. (Note: This is precisely what George Washington’s foreign policy was.)

      Ron Paul is the only candidate who advocates a Biblical and Constitutional foreign policy. He is not an isolationist. Rather, he advocates peaceful commercial relations with all and denies the right of the U.S. government to intervene in the political affairs of other countries. His foreign policy is essentially the Golden Rule given by Jesus in Matthew 7:12, as applied to governments (remember, governments are just groups of men). Moreover, Ron Paul would refuse to go to war without a declaration of war by Congress, thus upholding the Constitution and the idea that political leaders are not above the law.

      Every other candidate (including Obama) supports an interventionist foreign policy, which is to say they advocate aggressive wars and military operations (e.g., Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and the coming wars in Iran and Syria), assassinations, economic sanctions (which do nothing but harm the poor, destroy the middle class in the target country, and solidify support for the existing regime in the target country), as well as violent and subversive operations in other countries. Rick Santorum, for example, recently cheered the assassination (murder) of Iranian scientists, calling it a “a wonderful thing” and saying he hopes that the United States was involved in their killing, and he has been beating the war drums against Iran more and more each day. He also apparently has no problem assassinating (murdering) American citizens without due process of law, notwithstanding the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits it. Mitt Romney advocates imposing “crippling sanctions” on Iran, taking covert action to overthrow Iran’s government, and even waging war against Iran to prevent it from doing something that the U.S. government and the Israeli government have already done hundreds of times over – obtain a nuclear weapon. Newt Gingrich agrees entirely with Romney’s approach on Iran. Like Santorum, both Romney and Gingrich approve of the disregard Obama showed for Biblical prohibitions on murder and the Constitution’s guaranty of due process when he ordered the assassination of an American citizen.

      (As an aside, Does any of the discussion about Iran’s nuclear program sound familiar? The people who are beating the war drums against Iran for its supposed nuclear-weapons program are the very same people who lied the country into war against Iraq in 2003 on the false premise that Iraq possessed “weapons of mass destruction,” notwithstanding abundant evidence at the time that no such weapons program existed. They led us into one crippling disaster, and hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives. Why should we follow them into the abyss this time?)

      Lastly, neither Santorum, Gingrich, nor Romney have any qualms about a president initiating war without a declaration of war from Congress. This means that they are willing to violate the Constitution that they would be sworn to uphold. Christians cannot support someone who would violate the law of the land without themselves violating Romans 13.

      Much more could be said about the immorality and illegality of the foreign policy of Santorum, Gingrich and Romney, and the disaster that would be unleashed on the world if one of them were to become president, but the reasons above are sufficient to show that none of the candidates other than Ron Paul can be said to comply with the Biblical mandates quoted above; indeed the other candidates advocate the exact opposite of those commands.

      What about Israel? Isn’t Ron Paul’s foreign policy against Israel’s interests? Actually, Ron Paul’s foreign policy would benefit Israel. First, he wants to end ALL foreign aid (because it is not authorized in the Constitution and is therefore illegal). Given that Israel’s enemies receive seven times more foreign aid from the US than Israel, this would be a net benefit to Israel. Moreover, Ron Paul advocates allowing Israel greater sovereignty. Currently, Israel must obtain the permission of the United States government before implementing any plans to deal with the Palestinians internally or Israel’s enemies externally. That is not sovereignty. Ron Paul would allow Israel to deal with internal and external matters without obtaining permission from the United States, and far from opposing Israel, he would advocate friendship and peaceful trade with it, as he would with any other country.

      Christians, it is not sufficient to say that the world is a violent place, that there are wicked people who are intent on the destruction of the United States, and that our country must destroy them before they destroy it. That view ignores what the U.S. government has been doing in the world for the last 70 (or more) years, and it is more akin to the Golden Rule according to Boss Hogg (“Do unto others before they do unto you.”) rather than the Golden Rule according to Jesus. If you are going to support an interventionist foreign policy, you must find Biblical support for it. I submit to you that there is none.

      2. Life

      Psalm 139:13 (ESV) – “You knitted me together in my mother’s womb.”

      Duet. 5:17 (ESV) – “You shall not murder.”

      As an OB/GYN, Ron Paul delivered more than 4,000 babies and saved many lives by counseling women considering abortions not to abort their babies. He supports a bill called the Sanctity of Life Act, which would define life as beginning at conception.

      Since at least 2004, when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency, Ron Paul has been introducing each year a bill known as the We The People Act, which would effectively overturn Roe v. Wade with a simple majority vote in Congress, by prohibiting federal courts from having jurisdiction over abortion-related cases and making federal-court decisions on that issue non-binding on state courts. This would return the issue to the states (which is where it should be under the Constitution), enabling individual states to prohibit abortions. How many thousands of lives would have been saved if the Republicans, who claim to be pro-life, would have passed this bill when they had the power to do so?

      Rick Santorum, by contrast, did not support the We The People Act, but he did VOTE FOR FUNDING FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD, and he has supported rabidly pro-abortion candidates for office, including the notorious Arlen Specter and Christine Todd Whitman, while they were running against pro-life candidates. How can a person claim to be Pro-Life and still vote for and support those things? Moreover, how can a person claim to uphold the law of the land and vote to fund Planned Parenthood, when there is no authority in the Constitution to do so? This is lawlessness.

      Newt Gingrich has previously supported federal funding of abortions in cases of incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother. Even if you think abortion in such cases should be legal, there is no basis in the Constitution for providing federal funding for abortions. Gingrich also sponsored the Global Warming Prevention Act of 1989, which would have, among other things, eliminated the federal ban Ronald Reagan imposed against funding international groups that perform abortions.

      Mitt Romney is notorious for his conveniently timed flip-flops on abortion. As recently as 2002, when he was running for governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed a Planned Parenthood questionnaire stating that he supported a woman’s so-called right to choose. Ted Kennedy summed up Romney well when he said that Romney wasn’t pro-choice or anti-choice, he was multiple choice.

      Lastly, Christians should consider that a candidate’s position on war is just as relevant to whether or not he is pro-life as his position on abortion is. War in the 21st Century inevitably involves the killing of innocent civilians. There is no way to drop bombs on a house in a neighborhood without killing innocent people. Moreover, in unjust aggressive wars like those that Santorum, Gingrich and Romney advocate, all of the killings are unjustified murders. Christian conservatives need to stop taking their marching orders from neo-conservative talk-radio hosts and start taking their orders from the Bible. We should take seriously the Bible’s teaching on the value of life, including the lives of those in other countries, and we should evangelize people with Bibles, not bombs.

      3. Education

      Eph. 6:4 (ESV) – “Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.” (emphasis added)

      Deut. 6:6-7 – “And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. 7 You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.” (emphasis added).

      God gives children to their parents and charges their parents with the responsibility to raise and educate them (i.e., to bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord). Nowhere in Scripture is the government given any authority or responsibility to educate children.

      Ron Paul supports the biblical role of parents in educating their children and opposes the encroachment by the government in the parents’ freedom to educate their children as they see fit. He believes that no country can remain free when the government has more influence over the knowledge and values transmitted to children than parents do. Ron Paul would uphold the law of the land on this issue – the Constitution – which gives no authority whatsoever to the federal government to meddle in matters of education. Ron Paul would work to eliminate the disastrous Department of Education, and he has also introduced legislation that would give homeschoolers a tax credit (not a welfare voucher with strings) of $5,000 per child for educational expenses. He also has promised to veto any bill that encroaches on homeschooling parents’ rights. Homeschooling Christians will not find a greater friend in this campaign than Ron Paul.

      Rick Santorum, on the other hand, apparently does not have a problem with disregarding the Constitution when it comes to education, given that voted for the No Child Left Alone Behind Act, and he voted to double the size of the federal Department of Education. He also supports the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). As Wikipedia states, the IDEA act has grown in scope and form over the years, just like every other big-government program. If you want more of these types of programs and mandates, which will grow and metastasize, then Rick Santorum is your man. Santorum also has taken $100,000 in taxpayer money to pay for his children to take part in an online charter school, and he did so by claiming residency in Pennsylvania while he and his family actually lived in Virginia. That kind of practice sounds suspiciously unlike what an honest, small-government conservative would do.

      Newt Gingrich worked with Jimmy Carter to create the Federal Department of Education, notwithstanding the lack of any Constitutional authority for such a thing, and one of his noted accomplishments in the House was the dramatic increase in the department’s budget that the Republicans passed. As for homeschooling, Newt’s idea of “protect[ing] the rights of homeschooled children” is “ensuring they have the same access to taxpayer funded, extra-curricular educational opportunities as any public school student.” What?! Who cares about that? We simply want to be left alone. Newt also proposes education welfare programs, including a “Pell Grant-style system” for grades K-12, which would get all participating schools – public, private, and homeschools – on the public dole and under government control. He also wants to make sure children are being adequately indoctrinated into the government’s view of American history, which would have to be done by some sort of federal mandate or funding threat. More government, more government, more government.

      Mitt Romney, like Gingrich and Santorum, sees no difficulty in flouting the Constitution concerning education. He believes that the Federal Department of Education plays an “important role” in education, and he advocates more government involvement in education, such as standardized testing, merit pay programs for teachers (presumably directed in some way by the federal government), and taxpayer-funded “scholarships”.

      The proposals and records of Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney show that they have little or no regard for the law of the land or for the fact that government has no Biblical authority to raise and indoctrinate children.

      4. Sound Money and Ending the Federal Reserve

      Lev. 19:36 (ESV) – ” You shall have just balances, just weights…”

      Deut. 25:15 (ESV) – “A full and fair weight you shall have, a full and fair measure you shall have, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.”

      Proverbs 11:1 (ESV) – “A false balance is an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is his delight.”

      Micah 6:11 (ESV) – “Shall I acquit the man with wicked scales and with a bag of deceitful weights?”

      Deut. 5:19 (ESV) – “[Y]ou shall not steal.”

      In Biblical times, weights and balances were what people used to measure how much goods were worth for purposes of purchases and sales. Using improperly weighted scales was a way to steal wealth and purchasing power from others. The modern equivalent to weights and balances would be money, and the modern equivalent to stealing purchasing power from others would be the use of paper money (1) that is unbacked by any real asset and (2) that can be and is created out of thin air for the benefit of those in power.

      When government prints more money, there are then more dollars in the system chasing after the same amount of goods. Prices inevitably rise, thus robbing people of their purchasing power. However, because not everyone in society will immediately realize the fact that more money has been printed and the effect it will have, prices do not rise immediately or uniformly. In fact, it may take a while for the new money to work itself through the system. Those who receive the new money first benefit the most because the prices of goods and services will not have risen yet. These beneficiaries would include the federal government and investment bankers like Goldman Sachs. People at the end of the chain, like retirees and those on fixed incomes, receive no benefit and in fact lose purchasing power because of the rise in prices. In other words, with more money chasing the same goods, people on fixed incomes will find that their money will buy fewer goods. Thus, the fiat-money system transfers wealth (i.e., purchasing power) from the poor and middle class to the politicians and their financiers. Under this system, the U.S. dollar has lost more than 90% of its value since 1971, when Richard Nixon finally severed the dollar from the gold standard. This is a dishonest system, equivalent to unfair weights and measures.

      Ron Paul is the only candidate who understands the immorality and unconstitutionality of this monetary system. In fact, he wrote a book against the system, called End the Fed. Ron Paul advocates a return to honest, sound, Constitutional money (i.e., money backed by gold and silver).

      The other candidates generally do not even talk about monetary policy, but when they do, their statements show that they will largely perpetuate the status quo. Rick Santorum believes that we need inflation, that is, we need our purchasing power to be stolen from us. See this video at about 2:40. His views are taken apart by Tom Woods in this video.

      Mitt Romney’s biggest donor is Goldman Sachs, one of the chief beneficiaries of the fiat-money system.. Thus, he is unlikely to do anything about this immoral monetary system.

      Newt Gingrich talks about auditing the Federal Reserve, which is good, but he does not go far enough. Auditing the Fed will reveal to some extent how much the Federal Reserve is used to enrich the Wall Street banks, but what we need is honest money. Gingrich has nothing to say about that.

      Conclusion

      In this article, I have not discussed the fact that Ron Paul is the only evangelical Christian in this race (Santorum and Gingrich are Catholics and Romney is a Mormon). Nor have I discussed Ron Paul’s high moral character (e.g., honest, consistent, married to the same wife for 55 years vs. Gingrich’s three wives and alleged open-marriage proposal, etc.). Much more could be said on those issues. However, on the four issues I have identified, which are or should be of great importance to Christians, there is only one man among the four remaining contenders whose approach approximates the Biblical approach – Ron Paul. The other three candidates will grow government, will launch more murderous wars, will ignore or be ineffective in dealing with the abortion issue, will continue the expansion of the government’s involvement in education, and will do nothing about the monetary system that is systematically robbing you of purchasing power and giving it to investment banks. I therefore urge my Christian brothers to abandon Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich and support Ron Paul. Oh, and by the way, he can beat Obama.

      http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/eversden1.1.1.html

      • You pick and choose certain verses to support your argument, then use blatant lies as factual representation of their records. Very Christian and pious of you. All I can say is we will pay as much attention to you as we do your “blessed” Ron, the weak, unrealistic isolationist who doesn’t have a clue about Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, geopolitics, national security, and the resultant needed foreign policy!

  4. And I’m saying this as a Ron Paul fan… he should have made arrangements to be there. This is the largest media forum to get your views out there where a large number of people will see you and hear your message.

    • What should he deliberate with these 3 fellows, who are out of their minds if Obama is devil or not? Ron Paul is normal, he is sane, has program. I think that even this republican party wants him as president.
      If somebody is devil then there are 3 persons: Romney, Santorum and Gingrich and additionally they are morons.

  5. Personally, I think that if a debate such as this is to be held, it should be planned far enough in advance to allow candidates to “plan” to attend. As Huckabee noted, the 3 candidates that did attend had to make major changes to their plans in order to do so. What this means is that the states they were already in, already campaigning in and talk to got pushed aside. This essentially means that Mitt, Newt and Rick told the states, or communities, that they were in, “Ohio is so much more important than you, that I’m going to drop everything I’m doing here and run to Ohio.” Why would you want to make candidates choose one state over another, one community over another? Why not plan the debate far enough ahead to allow candidates to participate without choosing one state over another OR have all candidates participate via satellite so that they don’t have to choose one state over another? Or how about having the debate in a state that was close enough to the West Coast, where most of the candidates were, that the candidates could have participated and kept their commitments to other states?

    Myself, I would have loved to see Ron Paul at this debate as he would have shined like gold in my opinion. However, he made a request to participate via satellite so that he wouldn’t have to abandon the work he is doing in another state. Fox, even though this was well within their means and reasonable, denied this request and then tried to make it look as though Ron Paul had no desire to participate at all. Anyhow, you can look at Ron Paul’s decision in one of two ways; 1) He had enough respect for the people of the state he was currently in to not abandon his campaigns there for a last minute schedule change or 2) He didn’t think this debate was important enough to abandon all other campaign efforts to be there…. Honestly, I am disappointed that I didn’t get to see Ron Paul in a Fair debate forum, however, I respect him for having the Integrity to keep the commitment to address the people and not leave last minute.

    • You know, these your candidates: Romney and Santurm and Gingrich are the same guys like conncetion between Bush and Hitler and it is not good solution for your country and having such presidunce like Bush everybody should know it. Bad president again and you from USA will get kick in a..s from him and your country will not survive the next bushohitlero moron. You have choice till now and you can change.
      Ron Paul wants prosperity, peace, freedom, democracy. He is real conservatist, sane, intelligent, tolerant and he can speak english ( it was such president in your country, who could not even speak englisj and who was laughing stock for the world and who is responsible for all or majority of troubles of your country – just G.W. Bush ).Be now wise, find common sense and vote Ron Paul, who is sane, good, proper candidate, who has program and who loves USA.

    • Hubert, Ron Paul is 4th in bound delegates. Ron Paul is 2nd in bound and unbound delegates because of the way his campaign is being run.

      One estimate has Paul at 143 in bound and unbound delegates as of March 3 2012. These delegates are as firebrands like Surfisher and Darryl. They can be surely counted as bound with great certainty

      On a side note, it is really uncanny how Santorum has come so far. You should see how much campaign money he has compared to the other 3 candidates. Hes running a successful campaign on food stamps as one might say. 🙂

  6. Then where is the problem in this debate? Unemployment and why is it unemployment? Because presidents ( Bush, Clintons, now Obama ) of USA, their government and their lawmakers ( Romney, Santorum, Gingrich ) spend money for wars, foreign aid and use national money for their own pockets.
    And if such guy as Romney says that he supports business ( it is the truth, he supports of business and prosperity of big corporations and businesss and propserity of big corporation means unfortunatelly more profits with costs of unemployment ) the same thing is with wars- wars spread debts. And Romney- big businessman in pockets of global, criminal establishment and speculators is co-responsible for wars ( yes, for every war ) and for unemployment- he has liquidated a few companies in USA to make profits for his own pocket and such people should be not presidents.
    It is time for normal president, who will restore the country – Ron Paul.

  7. I was never going to vote for Ron Paul anyway, but at what other time has any network held any kind of debate or forum ON THE ACTUAL DAY OF VOTING in any state, and held that forum on the opposite side of the country? Sure, it’s only “arrogant” if you care about the people in Washington state, but as a Washingtonian myself, I’d like to tell Huckabee and Fox News to go shove it up their collective asses. Can you imagine any network holding a candidate forum in Ohio on the day Iowa voted, or New Hampshire, or South Carolina? Yet even though Washington has a higher population than any of them, that blowhard Huckabee thinks it’s “arrogant and blatantly indefensible” for a candidate to want to campaign in Washington on the day we voted!

  8. Fed Up with the FED – by Ron Paul – March 5th, 2012

    While the Fed has recently released an unprecedented amount of information on its activities, there is still much that remains unknown. Predictably, every push towards transparency has been fought tooth and nail. It took disclosure requirements enacted within the Dodd-Frank Act to get the Fed to provide data on its emergency lending facilities. It took lawsuits filed by Bloomberg and Fox News to provide data on discount window lending during the worst parts of the financial crisis. And it will take further concerted action on the part of Congress, the media, and the public to keep up pressure on the Fed to become and remain transparent.

    Transparency is not a panacea, however, as a fully transparent organization is still capable of engaging in all sorts of mischief. Ironically, one of the Fed’s more egregious recent actions, adopting an explicit inflation target, was hailed by many as another wonderful example of transparency. Yet if you think about what this 2% inflation target actually is, you realize that it is an explicit policy to devalue the dollar and reduce its purchasing power. And it adds up quickly over time. Two percent annual price inflation means that prices rise 22% within a decade, and nearly 50% within two decades.

    It is worse than that, however. This explicit 2% target also fails to take into account that whatever measure is used to determine price inflation, be it CPI, core CPI, PCE, etc., will always be chosen with an eye towards under-reporting the true rate of inflation and price rises. Pressure will be exerted on those calculating the price indices, so as not to alarm the public when prices begin to accelerate.

    Of course, government officials claim that price increases do not affect the average American because they can always substitute hamburger for steak, or have cereal instead of bacon to protect their family budget as prices rise. But the American people don’t overlook the fact that their quality of life has suffered because of the Federal Reserve and price inflation. What will they substitute when hamburger and cereal go sky high?

    The Federal Reserve continues to keep interest rates low in the hopes of boosting lending and consumption. But keeping interest rates at zero discourages saving. Why stick money in a savings account earning 0.05% if it is guaranteed to lose at least 2% every year? The Federal Reserve created the largest debt bubble the world has ever known with these sorts of policies. The extended zero interest rate policy only eviscerates thrift and savings—the true building blocks of prosperity. Capital will continue to be depleted, infrastructure will fall into disrepair, and the United States will be a mere shadow of its former self.

    It is well past time to end the failed monetary policy that encourages this mistaken preference for cheap money now, rather than real wealth in the long run. Transparency and a full audit of the Federal Reserve is a start and something we must continue to pursue. And, if those in power don’t have the stomach to bring the Fed out into full daylight, the American people deserve at least the right to conduct their economic transactions in the medium of exchange of their choosing.

    My Response:

    Romney says he’s not going to “waste time” looking at the Fed. Santorum and Gingrich hardly ever talk about the Fed. The Media directs it’s audience “away” from discussing the Fed. And the American People are just too “Dumbed-Down” to even understand the Fed. It looks as though the “Boiling Frogs” Scenario is working very well.

  9. I like Ron Paul. He’s a decent man. I can’t say that I agree with him 100% of the time, but still, I like him. What I can’t stand are some (not all) of the Ron Paul supporters. The very active ones that are constantly posting on all of the media comment sections are nothing like the candidate they claim to support. They name call and try to defame the other candidates and their supporters every chance they get. They have nothing of the civility that Ron Paul has. It’s too bad. He would probably get more support if these supporters weren’t so uncouth.

    • Seth

      There comes a point when the Anger and Frustration at the “Establishment” Regimes (Democrat and Republican) who have lead us down the Wrong Path (without our Permission) reach a fever pitch, that the People begin to DEMAND to be Heard.

      War: There is NO Difference between the Democrat and Republican Power Elites. They both turn a “Deaf Ear” to the People. We watch the News as more of our young people come-home from Another Undeclared War either in Coffins or without parts of their Bodies. And for what? So the “Special Interests” (Defense Contractors, Oil Companies and the International Bankers) can make “Record Profits”?

      Healthcare: Again, there is NO Difference between the Democrat and Republican Power Elites. They won’t listen to the People. The Democrats and Republicans have BOTH KNOWN that “Government Run” Medicaid and Medicare have MASSIVE Waste, Fraud and Abuse – and yet they DO NOTHING to “Correct” it. Instead, they “jam” through another “Government Run” Health Care System (Obamacare), that the People DON’T WANT, thinking that they can “fool” the People into believing that the Waste, Fraud and Abuse will just “magically” disappear and it will Save them money.

      Social Security: Again, there is NO Difference between the Democrat and Republican Power Elites. The Social Security “Trust Fund” has been RAIDED by these “Jackasses” (without our Permission) to pay for other Government Programs and Re-Election Schemes. Social Security is a “Trust Fund” where the People’s Money is supposed to be Segregated so that the People will have Financial Resources during their later years wherewith to pay for the cost of living. Instead, these “Jackasses” STOLE the money and replaced it with the-ever-Decreasing Government T-Bills. What a “sell-job”.

      Bail-Outs: Again, there is NO Difference between the Democrat and Republican Power Elites. BEFORE the 2008 “Meltdown” of the Financial Sector of our Economy, Statesmen like Ron Paul and Austrian Economists “predicted” that the Government would “Bail-Out” the Financial Sector to “Protect their Collective Asses”. These Democrat and Republican Power Elites INVESTED and LEVERAGED the People’s Money so “heavily” into the “Casino” (Stock Market) that THEY DECIDED it was the only remedy to SAVE THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSES. They did it anyway as the People said HELL NO! They did the SAME for the Insurance Industry and the Auto Industry. Instead of letting these Sectors and Industries go through a “Controlled Bankruptcy”, which would have saved our Economy, they permitted the “merger” of State and Corporate Powers (Fascism) to “Trump and Kill” Capitalism. Bond Holders (Investors) and the People saving for Retirement (401K’s) Lost Everything! But Wall Street, Government Employees and Unions are doing just fine.

      The Federal Reserve: The Federal Reserve Central Bank is a “Private Institution” which is “Governed” by a small group of International Bankers. They produce the money which we use as a medium-of-exchange. They “Loan” it to the Federal Government “At Interest” which the People pay through the “Unconstitutional” Income Tax. They are NOT Transparent, so the People can see what they’re doing. They’re NOT privy to any oversight by the Congress. They make their own Policies. They “say” their mission is to:

      – conduct the nation’s monetary policy by influencing the monetary and credit conditions in the economy in pursuit of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates
      – supervise and regulate banking institutions to ensure the safety and soundness of the nation’s banking and financial system and to protect the credit rights of consumers
      – maintain the stability of the financial system and containing systemic risk that may arise in financial markets
      – provide financial services to depository institutions, the U.S. government, and foreign official institutions, including playing a major role in operating the nation’s payments system

      If We-the-People just look at Food and Energy Prices we can see that the FED is a FAILED Experiment which is NOW out-of-control. This is an Institution that DOESN’T HAVE TO EXIST and We-the-People need to take our Monetary System “away” from the International Bankers and “back” into the hands of the People.

      The Constitution: Again, there is NO Difference between the Democrat and Republican Power Elites. Our Constitutional Freedoms and Civil Liberties are being “whittled away” as the Economy sinks and we embark into ANOTHER WAR. Obama signed the NDAA Legislation on New Years Eve, so the People wouldn’t notice. This “legislation” permits the Government to “order” the Military to arrest, indefinitely detain and even ASSASSINATE American Citizens because the Government “deems” them as being an Enemy Combatant (Terrorist). Habeas Corpus and the provisions provided by the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments are “all-thrown-away” because the Power Elites say so.

      You can say what you want about Ron Paul. He cherishes your Constitutional Right to your Freedom of Speech. However, don’t you think for a moment that he’s not just as “Angry and Frustrated” with the Government as it’s currently being run. His Supporters “get it” and we know that the “Establishment” is doing Everything in their Power to “stifle” his Message and to commit Crime of Voter Fraud and Intimidation. It’s up to “We-the-People” to End this Garbage by supporting Ron Paul IN MASS!

  10. I don’t recall seeing this debate on this site the only one I saw was the one coming up on March 19,2012

    9pm ET on PBS
    Location: Portland, OR
    Sponsor: Oregon Public Broadcasting, NPR, PBS, The Washington Times and the Oregon Republican Party
    Participants: TBD
    When was this one posted?

      • Mitt Romney = Judas Goat

        If not aware of this olden days’ meaning — here it is:

        When sheep are led to be slaughtered, they instinctively feel something is wrong. So, mill around and bleat, but won’t enter the gate leading to the one waiting to smash their heads with a sledge hammer. So, a Judas goat is placed in the pen. The Judas goat is trained to associate with sheep or cattle, leading them through the gate, and passing it safely — while its own life is spared, the ones flowing get their brains bashed!

        Mitt will lead us — and at the end of the gate, Bama will wield the sledge hammer….

  11. Didn’t Ron Paul participate in another forum via satellite because he was in Washington, DC (WORKING)?

    I don’t recall any brouhaha that it somehow cheapened the debate.

    Mike Huckabee cheapened the debate.

    Ron Paul isn’t represented so it is not a fair debate therefore I will not be watching it.

  12. Ron Paul should have been on this debate.

    The Fractional Reserve banking (our country borrows money from the Federal Reserve) is the root cause of all these problems.

    Ron Paul is the only candidate that is taking on the issue of the Federal Reserve.

    I am very disappointed you did not allow him on.

  13. OK. Everybody has had a chance to listen and read about all the Candidates.

    Barring any Catastrophes and/or Wars, I have some questions for all you “Political Junkies” out there:

    1.) With a new President leading our Nation, do you think the “Debt Ceiling” will continue to be an issue throughout his Presidency?

    2.) With a new President, will there be continued “Budget Deficits” throughout his Presidency?

    3.) With a new President, will the “National Debt” continue to grow throughout his Presidency?

    4.) With a new President, will there be a “Balanced Budget” during his Presidency? If so, when?

  14. Banker left “Speechless” by Irish Journalist

    Irish journalist Vincent Browne confronts the ECB’s (European Central Bank) Klaus Masuch demanding to know where the money is going.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCHu1kRT6hU&feature=player_embedded

    The Bankers are SCREWING the People of Ireland and FINALLY an Irish Journalist asks the “tough questions”. Why aren’t the American Journalists asking the “tough questions” like” Why is the FED “dumping” $100 BILLION into the Economy EVERY MONTH, just to PROP-UP the Stock Market, the Banks and to pay for Government Expenditures – when jobs, corporate earnings and the housing market are still in-the-toilet?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lsEAsETdoo&feature=BFa&list=UU_FouojmbzN_jwBVkroDQBw&lf=plcp

  15. Did you see that guy cry about how his relative volunteered to die for his country and did. Then forced Mitt Romney to apologize for it, and he did.

    What a joke.

  16. guy from ohio: “you said you wouldn’t cut veterans benefits, but will you INCREASE them?”

    mitt romney: [says a bunch of shit about how he respects the military – but never answers the question]

    it was a yes or no answer mitt, quit being a douche

  17. Wow 0_0. First thing, Santorum is an evangelical. Second thing Gengrich is just as intelligent as Dr. Paul. Hmm… Romney… he’s as conservative as my uncle, whom didn’t even vote for Ragen. Anyone that believes any level of government can tell you ya have to buy a private product simply because you exist, isn’t a conservative. Don’t get me wrong I like Dr. Paul. His fiscal policies are the best in the bunch. He’ll never get the republican nomination though for one simple reason. His forgien

  18. Wow 0_0. First thing, Santorum is an evangelical. Second thing Gengrich is just as intelligent as Dr. Paul. Hmm… Romney… he’s as conservative as my uncle, whom didn’t even vote for Ragen. Anyone that believes any level of government can tell you ya have to buy a private product simply because you exist, isn’t a conservative. Don’t get me wrong I like Dr. Paul. His fiscal policies are the best in the bunch. He’ll never get the republican nomination though for one simple reason. His forgien policies. The republican base isn’t going to nominate, let alone elect, a man that won’t stand with our allies. The simple fact is a nuclear Iran is one of the worse things that could ever happen. An Islamic extremist cares not for this life or this world. If they were to cause a massive nuclear war and all die from the fall out, they’d be pleased as punch. A true conservative would know that. Hell even Romney knows that. Dr. Paul doesn’t really fit into the republican mold persay. He’s more a libertarian. What he should do is help develop the libertarian movement going on in the nation, because the country really needs it. As I’ve come to find out, the vast majority of independents are fiscally concervative but socially liberal. As such they are ready for a party to represent them. Also did you know that the majority of registered voters are registered independent?

  19. I rofl at that video. It’s sad the amount of misinformation on the web today. The truth is Obama said “under my plan of cap and trade electricity prices would necisarily skyrocket. It doesn’t matter if I think coal is good or bad, coal plants will have to retrofit their operations. They will pass this cost onto the consumer.” That simple statement speaks volumes. He knows increasing taxes will increase gas prices, thus increasing everything else. His reasoning for doing this is so we will all go out and buy electric cars. Even though a study in Vancouver stated that if 10% of the cars there were electric the grid would shut down. Makes ya wonder what our grids can withstand. Gas prices are high because of a simple economic principle, supply and demand. Gas prices went down when we hit a recession because demand went down. As the worlds economies are on the rebound and emerging markets, like India and China, are needing more oil based products than they did in the past, demand is outgrowing the supply. If you don’t believe that then explain to me how a few years ago natural gas prices were 500% higher than they are now. No need I’ll tell you why, it’s because several years ago we just started fracking, hydraulic fracturing. This greatly increased the supply, and even Obama’s EPA says it’s not harmful to the environment. He says drill, drill, drill, isn’t the answer but wants to release some oil from the federal reserves to ease the pressure at the pumps. So he’s lying somewhere and looking at natural gas I’d say it’s about drilling.

    Now for OWS. Their biggest problem is they’ve been lied to. It’s sad when you think about it. Growing up thinking you’re a special little flower that you’re perfect in every way. Never really being challenged. Being told that everyone is a winner. Then to land into the harsh reality that is the real world, after taking courses that wouldn’t land you a job in an up economy. Piles of debt because your whole life you were lied to. And the bureaucrats are getting worse trying to create a dependent generation that can’t eat without government approval. Government is entirely too big and getting bigger by the day. Slowly but surely we are losing every freedom our forefathers fought and died for, as we slowly slip into a socialist welfare state like Greece. And like Greece and all the others over there, we’ll in time go bankrupt. Socialism like communism doesn’t work. For those of you who don’t know the difference, both are the government control of Capitol. One distributes wealth by need the other by deed. I like my freedoms so OWS grow up and join us in the real world.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75KERKwEQM

      It’s more of the fact that the schools children are taught in, especially high school, teaches kids that they all can go to college and all get a college level job. Now i don’t know about you but i personally think not everyone can be doctors, lawyers, what have you. I personally saw the demise of “How to live alone” type classes at my local high school. They were replaced with “How to get into college” programs. Kids are so busy trying to fatten up their collegiate resumes that they don’t know squat about living on their own.

      Colleges of today are driving tests, with the degrees becoming driving licenses. You don’t particularly need either to drive properly and safely.

  20. You Paul folks do realize that Ron Paul will be lucky to win Texas. In fact I would be shocked if he did.

  21. Answer Mitt Romney/Rand Paul will be the proposed ticket in 2012. Unless a conservative Rick Santorum/Newt Gingrich ticket is struck.

  22. Ron Paul is running on principle and has even admitted he has little chance to win but wants to have his ideas be heard. Kind of like voting for Ralf Nader or Jesse Jackson who is running to make changes.

    If you fold are not being realistic about his chances then you are in for a big letdown.

    This has happened to me in 2008 and it took me like 6 months to get over it. My original candidate this time was also taken out. This time I was prepared.

    You would think being 57 that these things wound not bother me any longer.

    Don’t let it crush you.

  23. The belief that because Obama is a great Orator, does not mean he is a good Debater.

    1) As Orator (meaning: during an uninterrupted monologue) Obama’s reading of the tele-prompter is superb — he has the hand gestures down pat, the movement of his head to stare at an upper left, or right, diagonal, while taking a pause to underscore his point and thus allowing time for applauding, before he stares at the camera again and delivers the next segment of his PRE-WRITTEN Speech. His mastery of delivering dogma as “truth”, is only second to Goebbels propaganda abilities.

    2) As Debater (meaning: the ability to prove whose ideas are valid vs those that are illogical) — Obama is lost without the tele-prompter. Unless the questions were submitted beforehand, and his answers scripted, he gets annoyed when asked something he did not expect. When stumped by a question he does not know the answer, Obama becomes peevishly angry, he whails, clutches his hands, shakes his head, and responds with the COARSEST of Cliches! Then, he stumbles and bumbles his way trying to correct his outbursts by spouting irrelevant dogma! Pathetic — is the only proper word describing his debating “skills”.

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    For those that believe BO is a great orator — you are 100% correct!

    For those that believe BO is a great debater — you are 100% wrong!

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    Note this — when BO ran in 2008, he had NO record to be debated.
    Now, he has a horrible record as president — so anyone (without skeletons in the closet) will DESTROY this small-minded, perfidious clown!

    Ron Paul — who is a CONSTITUTIONAL Patriot — is best equipped to dismantle BO’s socialist dogma in a one-on-one debate for the Presidency!

    The rest have the ability (since a logical high-school kid can make Bama look silly in an unscripted debate) — but don’t have a clean closet (and Bama will attack their skeletons, since he can do nothing else).

    So, unless you do your best to elect Ron Paul — you’ll be party to the ignominious reelection of BO!

  24. Ron Paul is losing for one reason and one reason only. He is in last place. I was very upset when my first choice in 2008 and 2012 were both taken out by others in the race but in the final analysis they didn’t have enough support to get past the attaches,

    I watch Huckabee every week and have never heard him say a negative thing about any of this years candidates.

    For those who think its Ron Paul or nothing, that they will vote for Obama, I say you must really want the end of America as we know it. I also say you really must start to listen to your own candidate.

    Do you really think Ron Paul would agree with re-electing Obama. Hell no.

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