With the Senate having stripped the Obamacare defunding language from the House-passed continuing resolution to fund the government, House Republicans have regrouped and will send another measure to the Senate with the intention of delaying the Obamacare individual mandate and employer mandate. Speaker Boehner and President Obama have both drawn lines in the sand, so to speak, regarding what kind of continuing resolution they’re willing to endorse. In Boehner’s case, he’s looking to at least limit some effects of Obamacare while the President says he’ll accept nothing less than full funding and implementation of his signature health care initiative.

Report from Politico:

House Republicans will vote to pass a one-year delay of Obamacare in exchange for funding the government, a plan that drastically increases the chances of a government shutdown this Tuesday.

The decision was announced by the GOP leadership in a closed meeting Saturday afternoon, according to sources present. Republicans will also pass a separate bill to fund U.S. troops if the government shuts down, GOP lawmakers said. The House’s funding measure will keep the government open until mid-December.

Additionally, Republicans will adopt a “conscience clause” that delays until 2015 an Obamacare requirement that employers cover birth control as part of their health-insurance packages.

The move puts Senate Democrats and the White House at loggerheads with House Republicans, a standoff that could lead to the first government shutdown since 1995.

The House has already passed two measures which fund the entirety of the government but have either tried to delay or withhold funding from parts of Obamacare. The Senate has voted to fund the government as well but their continuing resolution included funding for Obamacare. The President, for his part, has vowed to let the government shutdown by pledging to veto any legislation which reaches his desk and does not fully fund and implement Obamacare.

Which side is going to blink first in this debate? If the government shuts down, which side stands to gain and/or lose? Where does the blame get assigned?

16 COMMENTS

  1. If they do shut down the government of course it will be due to GOP! They will own this. They have tried now 41 or is this the 42nd time they have tried to stop ACA? Must be some serious money involved for them to do so many times!

  2. Bama: I’m not so sure. I heard a poll that said that the public would blame the GOP by only a 36 to 34% ratio. But you never know which way the public will go.

    I would disagree with the assertion that this is between Obama and Boehner. I think Boehner would love ANY excuse to get beyond this. It wasn’t his idea, and he is not committed to it.

    Besides, from what I hear, most of Obamacare is already funded, and the staff for it are considered “essential,” so they will go on, even if there is a shutdown.

    • Goethe Bore — you are clueless.

      So, crawl back to England and leave America alone, kid —Goethe Bore…your euro trash “advice” here is unsolicited, and thus unwanted.

    • Goethe…the house and the senate keep playing that old game of “Red Rover”. The odds of defunding the Affordable Act are incredibly slim. The chance that Obama wouldn’t veto such a budget, is even slimmer. Realistically, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul know this. What they may not know is exactly how a government shutdown will stall the economy and affect the financial status of every American, including the top 2 per cent. In the event lawmakers blow the Monday deadline, about 800,000 government employees would be forced off the job without pay.The military’s 1.4 million active duty personnel would stay on duty, but their paychecks would be delayed. About half of the Defense Department’s civilian employees would be furloughed. The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, known as WIC, will shut down. Only mandated expenses (social security, medicare, critical services such as veteran’s healthcare, patrolling the borders and controlling air traffic) will be paid until those monies are exhausted.

      After the shutdowns of 1995 and 1996, Republicans were roundly blamed. Their approval ratings plunged, and President Bill Clinton sailed to re-election. I am sure this hangs heavy on House Leader John Boehner’s mind as he struggles to appease his Tea Party element.

      • Tess Liehard — reality check:

        1) It is your boss, Barrack Hussein (the one you get paid to shill for here) that is responsible for this shutdown, by his refusal to negotiate at all. It is well known that in a crisis deals are reached in the last minute, but your boss, Obama, displayed his disdain again, and in his usual megalomaniac trait ordered the shutdown with 7 minutes left on the clock.
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        2) You are right on one point: “The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, known as WIC, will shut down.” Obama will again go after the weakest and most defenseless Americans to drive in his dictatorial points — as he did when he said there was not enough money for school children to be allowed to tour the White House.

        It is interesting that the MO of shills like you is always decrying that Women and Children will be the first to suffer — to touch the minds and hearts of the people in order to sway their opinions by such puerile attempts of pernicious propaganda. This is truly despicable and HEARTLESS on your part (for you to use the handle “Trueheart” is an oxymoron — thus your most apt monicker should be: Tess Liehard, since you lie, and lie hard, on Obama’s behalf).

        Barrack Husein has shown that he has the power to do anything, even disregard the US Senate — so why would he cut the “Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children” if he is for protecting the most vulnerable Americans? The answer is that Lil’ Hussein cares naught for the American people — his only goal is to assure his yoke on the USA: its good for a despot to turn free citizens into obedient subjects, by any means possible!
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        Tess —is the money you are being paid to be Barrack Hussein’s mouthpiece so great, that you are willing to sink so low and do whatever it takes to shill for him?

        Do you have no heart left to stop your pernicious propaganda here — or have the 30 Pieces of Silver you receive to post such dead dogma replaced it?

        Have you lost your principles, your common sense, your integrity, your ability to look yourself in the mirror and not cringe in disgust for your loss of scruples and goodness — just for the sake of many $$$$$$?

        “Qvo Vadis” Tess…?

        • Qvo Vadis? The use of a dead language isn’t impressive.”Whither goest thou?”. Peter said this to Jesus (John 13:36). Or are you referring to the book or the movie?

          On to No 1…Read carefully. I am not employed by any one person nor any firm nor any government agency. By writing such rotten garbage, you will soon become the victim of your own lies.

          No 2…For a person who feels the need to use ten and twelve letter words you are incredibility dumb. You do not understand the structure of the government and place a tremendous amount of blame on one person. In reality, there is plenty of blame to go around.

          To disparage my name is classic bad manners. To denigrate my character is profoundly immoral. To continue to reference “thirty pieces of silver” is grossly irreverent.

          • Any doubt the “Tess”character is an Obama shill — who else but an organization paid to disseminate misinformation that benefits their employer uses “code names”…?
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            Tess Trueheart states on September 5, 2013 at 7:13 pm :

            “Tess Trueheart wrote the above [as ‘prairieflower’]. Prairieflower was a typo. It is (or was) a code name.”
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            Nate: I thought you drew the line at paid shills, and banned their posts here….

    • Goethe – the Pubs will still get blamed because the MainStream will back HIM, but I believe the non-informed are getting informed and just maybe the MSM will be forced to give a more honest opinion of what is happening and what “The People” want.

      Yepper, it doesn’t matter what the votes are – POTUS has already spent the bucks to start ACA.

  3. The Defense Department is set to release it’s plan for how to handle a potential shutdown. Activities necessary for “protection of life and property” will be maintained. The exemption covers “intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance activities required to support national or military requirements necessary for national security,” Sounds like NSA is intact.

  4. It will be interesting to see what happens if the shutdown occurs, which seems inevitable.

    It sounds as if not much will be felt. Social Security checks will still go out. If THAT were a risk, there would be major turmoil. They have also said that the military is protected, and “essential” workers will continue. So I’m wondering if it will be felt at all.

    I think the repercussions will make a big difference. If people feel they have really lost something, they might come to think that government is a good thing, after all.

    BUT–if people don’t feel a pinch, they will probably wonder if we really need most of the government, anyway. And that could really empower the tea party.

  5. King Bama upset that his minions won’t obey him blindly, orders government shutdown.

    Instead of negotiating to avoid putting further hurt on the American people, Barrack Hussein again displays his narcissism and places himself above all others.

  6. Folks: Here’s a question I’d like to post on the related threads, because I’m asking for a response:

    Both houses just voted unanimously to pay government workers retroactively for time lost. I mean, it was a nice thing to do, for people who are being used as pawns.

    HOWEVER, how can Tea Party legislators rationalize paying people for NOT working?? Isn’t that exactly counterpoint to the Tea Party philosophy? If they’re not on salary, shouldn’t they be paid only for the hours they work?

    Billy, in particular–what’s your feeling about paying bureaucrats for NOT working??

  7. Goethe…I have been waiting for Billy to respond. He can sum up a situation in one or two sentences. Sometimes, I agree, sometimes I don’t but I always feel a smile coming on when I read his post.

    Myself, I think they should be paid since they are willing and able to work and the shutdown is not of their doing. The House’s piece-meal promises employees will get their back pay when the shutdown is over and they cannot go back to work while the shutdown continues. 800,000+ is a lot of votes they are pandering to.

    However, when Ted Cruz and followers created this shutdown, they should have made absolutely sure there would be no pick and choose of who will be paid and who will not be paid. The president, the Senators, the Representatives, Staffers, anyone on the federal payroll (or dole) paychecks should have been cut off. Under this unbiased setting, how long do you think a shutdown would last?

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