Seems like an endless drip of stories regarding Republicans open to a 2016 presidential run. The latest hints come from former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.

Report from CNN:

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum hinted Monday he may see another presidential run in his future.

“I’m open to that possibility,” the Republican said when asked on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight” about a 2016 White House bid.

“But we’re a long way…” he added, pausing, then continuing, “I’m focused right now on trying to stay involved in the fray and make sure that we do the right thing up on Capitol Hill right now.”

Santorum isn’t that surprising though I’d be surprised if he actually does run agaiun. However, the GOP establishment seems to be more excited about the prospects of Jeb Bush. Report via The New York Times:

Now that the Obama and Romney campaigns have closed their headquarters in Chicago and Boston, the attention of the political world is shifting to an office suite tucked behind the colonnades of the Biltmore Hotel complex here.

Mr. Bush is said by friends to be weighing financial and family considerations — between so many years in office and the recession his wealth took a dip, they said, and he has been working hard to restore it — as well as the complicated place within the Republican Party of the Bush brand. Asked this week about whether his father would run, Jeb Bush Jr. told CNN, “I certainly hope so.”

For now, however, “It’s neither a ‘no’ nor a ‘yes’ — it’s a ‘wait and see,’ ” said Al Cardenas, the chairman of the American Conservative Union and a longtime friend and adviser to Mr. Bush. “It continues to intrigue him, given how much he has to share with the country.”

I’m sure this won’t excite the comment crowd since both of these men would be considered more of a status-quo.

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  1. We do not need either one of them. We need Sarah Palin, or Alan West, or Herman Cain/ If wis. Covernor did, as reported invested in China we don’t meed him either. If that is not true he certainly would be a good one to consider.

    • Palin, I can come up with 12 billion reasons to vote for her. But we had the chance and chose to go 4 trillion the other way. No hope

        • Sorry but I never argue with success and she left the state with 12 billion more than when she came in . Romney left with a billion in the red, Palin left with 12 billion in the black. You saw who the GOP went with. Yeah I know there are some people who just don’t know how to count or they are color blind.

          • Billy:

            She’s a Northern Hillbilly. It’s no trick to balance a budget if you have free money pumpin’ otta the ground:

            Oil, that is. Black gold. “Alaska Tea.”

            They pay you in a new kinda dollar. I think they call it Billy-Yun dollars.

  2. “Christie has seen a massive boost in his popularity in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, with 77 percent of New Jerseyans saying they approve of the governor in a new Fairleigh Dickinson University poll released Monday. That’s up from 56 percent before Sandy. (Respondents from the first poll were re-contacted for the second one.)

    Gov. Chris Christie chats with former first lady Nancy Reagan. (AP)

    Christie even gets positive marks from 67 percent of Democrats. Just 17 percent of all registered voters in the Garden State say they disapprove of his performance.”

  3. A president named “Jeb?” Really? Sounds like a “Beverly Hillbillies” reject. Add “Bush” to the name and and you have a throwback to eight years that are best forgotten.
    Sarah Palin and her trailer trash family freak show will probably still be around, but do you really want to go there? Spread the Santorum!

  4. Goethe – I think your memory may be as short as . . . As soon as Christie were to declare himself MSM would start the destruction process – just as they did to Palin. (democrats didn’t even know BO’s VP’s name who they voted for) But they knew every small negative feature about Palin. Were you part of the “Good ‘Ol Boy” club she dismantled?

    What’s so wrong about using the resources in your state’s land to keep jobs going and no debt. Right now Colorado, Utah, Montana would give up one of their . . . to be able to give full pursuit to their mineral resources.

    I know of a minimum of three people on the comment pages, probably even Nate, that should right now be starting their Libertarian candidate’s ’16 campaign.

    • Sam: I didn’t say there was anything wrong with getting as much as you can from the oil companies. But when you poke a stick in the ground and it spouts silver dollars, you can’t take a lot of credit for having a good budget.

      As for Christie. I just copied and pasted a surprising statistic. I wasn’t making a statement.

      If Republicans were smart (they’re obviously not), they’d pick my governor, Rick Snyder, to run in 2016.

      He’d be the Democrats’ worst nightmare–and a bad dream for the GOP establishment, too. And, of course, that’s why they won’t consider him.

      • But Michigan is not doing well and you have the highest auto insurance in the country. No the governor has to have his state in the top 10.Pure Michigan: MSU Survey Shows Governor Snyder Has Lowest Approval Ratings in the Nation. No more bottom feeders

        • Billy:

          You tend to think two-dimensionally. Michigan’s problems have been building for a half-century, and most of them have come from outside. So a turnaround is going to take some time–and some creative thinking. That’s what Snyder is doing. And THAT is why his popularity is low–because he’s not handing out candy to either side.

          If you want to keep doing the same things, expecting a different outcome, pick the “popular” guys, like Willard.

            • BillY:

              I don’t know why you focus on one particular issue and beat it to death. And I don’t know why you think car insurance is a major concern, of all the things we could be discussing, but here’s the deal:

              You get what you pay for. If you want insurance that doesn’t actually INSURE anything, you can get it damned cheap. I hate insurance companies, but if you’re going to have it, it should do something.

              “Part of the reason Michigan is so expensive is because it’s the only state that guarantees unlimited personal injury protection, or PIP. That covers the policyholders’ medical costs in case of an accident, no matter who’s at fault, said Egan. Michigan is also the only state where coverage includes unlimited lifetime medical and rehabilitation benefits.

              “So, if you’re injured and paralyzed and need physical therapy or medical equipment for the rest of your life, that all gets covered by your car insurance policy,” said Egan.

              –I don’t know why you thought our car insurance was high, or why you think that is an important issue, but the real reason is that insurance companies have to actually INSURE here, and they don’t like it.

            • Classic example of the politicians taking the money out of the taxpayers pockets and getting a standing “O” for doing it. Insurance companies have always been in bed with the politicians. When the government mandates something that takes money out of your pocket it is a tax. Your great coverage has invited every scam artist in the country to your state to cash in on the lucrative
              payouts. Now if you catch them and put them in jail it will cost you even more. b Way to go Mich, I see why no other state has followed your example.

            • Right we had over 80 at one time but GM found it much easier to get in bed with the politicians rather than compete.

            • Sam: Nobody’s coming back. Southern sates bribed them with ridiculous tax and other incentives. The trouble with that is that there will always be another state willing to make a bigger bribe.

              One of our problems is that we are still sending more money to the feds than we’re getting back. When we first got into trouble, the feds should have started paying back some of that, such as giving the auto makers more contracts, until they could get back on their feet.

              At this point, we are trying to diversify, such as alternative energy.

            • You got to be kidding, with the junk that was coming out of Detroit. A real laundry list of mistake after mistake. Check the list of the worst cars ever made and GM sure tried for a monopoly on that. How long did they think the big tariff on Toyota would last? Right, when the gave Reagan a couple of million for a speech in Japan.

            • Billy: Apples and Oranges. Detroit’s design and quality control suffered from shared monopoly, but a rational competitor would have located where all the suppliers were located.

              The choice to locate outside of the area was due to the bribes by southern states.

    • Right Sam, I don’t know what her family has to do with running the state and I still have 12 billion reasons to vote for her if she runs.

      • Billy – the family issues are really nothing out of the ordinary. She did a lot of what most young women either did or would want to do, late in life she had an unexpected pregnancy and the child has Down’s Syndrome. Not unusual for a woman over forty. She chose not to abort – as much a right as the other way. Her daughter had a child out of wedlock. Gee i wander what the percentage of that is?? The families monies can cover the raising and expenses – better than probably 90 percent of other unwed mothers. nor did she ask the government to pay for condoms.

        Don’t you love the way Pravda MSM loves to position things.

            • Billy: I don’t care about her private life (and would rather not hear about it), but he voice is not all that is falsetto.

            • Billy: Yeah, an empty state awash in oil revenues. Put her in Alabama and she would never have left her stove.

            • Okay, what in her track record as governor don’t you like. We both agree on Romney as being not the man for the job for a number of reasons. So be specific on Sarah just like you were with Romney. I often miss something but not the 12 billion she left Alaska with.

            • Billy:

              Are you going to make me work? Damn. I didn’t pay much attention to her (nobody did) when she was up there.

              I was just saying that it is no trick to leave a surplus when they have so much oil money coming in–and such a small population–that they have to give everyone in the state a thousand bucks of excess cash. If she had a state with a high population and no free money, I think your opinion of her would be different.

              I mean, seriously. There are 4-1/2 times as many people in Chicago. Not counting suburbs.

              I’m not crazy about her quitting her job because she wanted to be a celebrity. I’m also not crazy about her falsetto voice, but mostly her falsetto brain. The things that come out of her mouth would be hilarious, if they were intentional.

              I think they ought to address her as Half-Governor Palin.

            • You are now just using up ink and paper, LOL. Like I posted before, few if any can match her track record and get this, she wasn’t Alaska’s first and last governor. Maybe the youngest, maybe the first woman, maybe the first native born and maybe the first to know how to veto pork big time but not the only governor Alaska ever had. You want efficiency in government, debt reduction big time, and job creation, Shara has a can do resume that few can match.

            • Billy: excellent point. Some people do the job. Others talk about it. Incessantly.

              Rick Snyder is only two years in office. My guess is that opinion of him will be quite different after four.

            • Okay, just the facts, After 2 years in office Rick is running with a 36% approval. Not much better than after the first year. Sarah had a 93% first year and 75% after the second. Interesting her disapproval ran at 9%.

              As for Rick being pro-life and wanting to tax the internet, well ………just don’t think his record is up to what Sarah’s was at the same point in time. Being a CPA though I would give him a second look after his first 4 in Mich.

            • Billy:

              There are SEVENTEEN (17) U.S. CITIES with more population than the entire state of Alaska. With those few people and billions in oil revenues raining down on them–so that the GIVE each citizen over a THOUSAND dollars a year.

              You just can’t compare that to a real state–that has people and problems.

            • But Alaska now #6 is right next to Virgina and Minnesota. Virgina has a lot of people as does Minnesota. No more bottom feeders, I don’t care about all the excuses.

            • Michigan is also ranked 48 out of 50 as one of the worst run states in America. Nice part of being at the bottom is there is only one way to go. I’d kind of like to vote for a guy who was in the top 10.

            • Billy: Also, you tend to cherry-pick stories that support a point even if they don’t make sense.

              In this case, your point was supposed to be that Rick Snyder was “unclean” because of this story you “pulled out” that said ONE survey said Michigan ranked #41 in places to live–and I would guess fricken SNOW was one of the criteria.

              But the most important point is that the story was PUBLISHED a month after Snyder took office, referring to a study that was done BEFORE he took office.

              I know you’re anti-Michigan, but the boy just bragged about cutting ONE-THIRD of all regulations in agriculture in just two years. I thought that’s what you wanted.

            • Hey I love Michigan. Spent many a summer on Lake Mack in Holland. Still got relatives there. My sister just moved back there from Florida. Just think a state that had billions & billions on dollars flowing in year after year from the auto industry could have invested the money rather than just spend it.

            • Billy: We didn’t waste it. At one time, we had the best streets and highways in the union, and we laughed at states that had toll roads. I agree that there should have been more of a rainy day fund, but when you have 20 years of economic monsoons, it’s amazing that we’re in as good a shape as we are.

              Imagine if cars suddenly ran on water and industry ran on solar power. Texas and Oklahoma would not survive the way we have.

            • Billy:

              You work WAY too hard at being disagreeable.

              You know very well that my point was that we had a lot of auto-related INCOME and that was drastically cut in a very short period. Since the entire state was built like a house of cards on the auto industry–and its suppliers, of all kinds–it has been hard to deal with the dominoes that fell. (Yet, the federal government continued to take more money than it returned to the state every year.)

              If the oil income dried up in Texas or Oklahoma–especially Alaska–I doubt that they would do as well as we have.

            • House of cards my a$$. Detroit used the EPA to stomp out competition. Oh it started long before the EPA with the seal beam headlight and the type of glass that could be used. Then the tariffs. Anything but compete on a level playing field. Many of the best products in the world for automotive use, coming out of Detroit, were replace with the worst. 80 + car mfgs were cut to 3 in America. Like the demand for cars was the reason most went out of business.

  5. I’m intrigued as to why it’s only (and thankfully relatively few) ‘tea party’ people that can’t see that Sarah Pailn is an idiot. While that might be harsh, it’s true. Worldwide she’s a laughing stock and demonstrates this every time she appears on tv, radio or in print.
    I have no issue with her being a conservative but question whether even she understands exactly what this means. Inarticulate, incomprehensible, uneducated and obviously completely idiotic. How she gets the support of anybody outside her own family astounds me.

    AND I’M NOT SAYING SHE IS A BAD PERSON!!

      • Sam – cheap and unhelpful. For those of us that don’t have a welded on bias one way or another and who actually consider what we hear fromwhover is saying it, Palin isas definitive an idiot as it’s possible to find.
        I don’t care about her gender, ethnicity, sexuality, faith or politics, I care that if a politician has the capacity to reason and understand a particular issue. Christie is clever as is Jindal and a few others from the GOP. Palin, while having the charm in spades has the intellect of a house brick.

        • Tom – you never answered the question. I’m so sorry for those incapable of seeing multiple sides. Living in the shadow of ABC / NBC / CBS must be a terrible burden.

          • All things are relevant. Palin has a track record as governor that few can match. No she never ran for mother of the year. I don’t care if she was a good or bad person so long as she got the job done. (jobs and debt)

            • Then why do people vote for the guy who can bring home the bacon. As for being smart, you can buy a brain a lot cheaper than creating your own.

            • Billy:

              But the point was that you said they were SMART because they had money. THAT was your point, and it’s clearly not true.

            • Smart, very smart in their field. Take them out of their field and maybe not so smart. Romney is a classic example. Smart, very smart at destruction but as a governor, dumb, very dumb. (left the state 1 billion in debt)

            • Billy: And that’s the point. Being lucky (which you may call “smart” if you like) in one area does not mean they can do anything at all in any other area.

    • thanks Tom, helps me to understand how we ran up a 16 trillion dollar debt. If Palin is an idiot (12 billion dollars in the black) who is the genius?

    • You know, we’ve tried a lot of educated intelligent people in government so far. Maybe its time to try something different ;-). Reagan was an idiot, turned the economy around. Bush was an idiot, but his average unemployment and deficit spending was beaten only by Clinton (when looking at the past 30-40 years).

      idiots seem to do a pretty good job.

      Obama is said to be a genius – but has had the worst unemployment and highest deficit spending of any president in history of the records they keep.

      I’m not saying I’m for Palin, i don’t know what her policies would be. But really, perceived intelligence by popular media is really not a good indicator of who would be a good president.

      • Josh:

        You seem to be suggesting a new “know-nothing” movement, like the one in the 1850s.

        And I don’t know where you’re getting your statistics, but the unemployment of the past four years didn’t even reach the Reagan level, much less historic. It was more than THREE TIMES AS HIGH under Hoover.

        Likewise, the deficit is huge, but that’s because of the Great Recession–which was effectively blunted, instead of falling into total chaos and panic, as it did in the last century.

        There are a lot of reasons to criticize Obama, but unemployment and the deficit were a result of the economic collapse, and didn’t just appear out of thin air.

          • Billy: Hoover had four years, too. And his unemployment went from 3% to 25% and his stock market declined by 90%. Under Obama, unemployment didn’t even reach Reagan’s level, and the stock market (and corporate profits) went back up to record territory.

            We were headed for a worldwide depression in 2008. I don’t think Obama acted quickly enough, but we were facing dire catastrophe, not your garden-variety recession. While there are lots of reasons to criticize Obama (like for not closing Gitmo, as Clint Eastwood complained), the idea that ANY president can wave a magic wand and create raging prosperity single-handedly is idiocy.

            • Oh I believe the solution to all our problems are simple and don’t require magic. I said simple, not easy though. If regulations caused the problem, just roll back the regulation.

            • Sam: Yeah, and Bush should have started stopped it back on 2001, and Clinton should have started stopping it on 1995, and Ike should have started stopping it in 1953. . .

            • Come on now Mr. Behr. Jackson was the only Prez to leave office with the national debt at “O”. The voters like big spenders but Jackson just wasn’t one of them.

            • Well, Billy. . .

              I liked that Jackson shut down the national bank. As for paying off the national debt, it lasted such a short time that it doesn’t appear on the chart, and it led to the panic of 1937 the next year, and more debt.

              They called Jackson a “jackass,” which is why the Democratic Party still uses the symbol.

              He held slaves and removed the Native Americans so severely that it’s considered “ethnic cleansing.”

              He also STARTED the “spoils system,” in which political pals get jobs. He oversaw the “nullification crisis,” which established that federal law supercedes state law.

              Basically, you can find anything about any president to love and hate. If that’s what you want.

            • Oh I understand it was hell but I don’t think it would be a cake walk this time around either. Like how could one live without a free cell phone. (or is it how could one get elected to office without giving away free cell phones)

            • Yeah but the man stayed focused on eliminating the national and he did it. Hey I didn’t vote for the guy. LOL

            • I think it’s interesting that ANY comment in this thread that’s even moderate is considered to have come from a PRAVDA subscriber while the completely moronic notion of free cell phones as promulgated by our friends at Fox is accepted as gospel.
              Extremism from left or right doesn’t help anyone or anything.

            • I read up on Slick Willie’s debt / deficit / ?surplus? and understood better and that he maintained a >$5T Total Federal Debt and never really paid principle on the debt

            • 5T is a heck of a lot better than we got now. Hey time were good under Slick Willie. Not saying he could have kept the ball rolling but good times happened on his watch. Can’t say as much for the guy that followed though.

            • Sam: That’s the problem with being tied to a party. You have to dislike people if they’re not in your tribe.

              I liked Ike and JFK. Haven’t been crazy about anybody since then.

            • Goethe – I liked Ike until my first cruise to the Western Pacific (WestPac) and discovered the US wasn’t that well thought of. The next year, same cruise only under Kennedy and we were more liked and respected in just that short time. I would have have voted for Kennedy but i was only 20 in ’60. In 64 the politics were too confusing (for me).

            • Sam:

              As I noted about Jackson, there’s lots to love and hate about every president. Usually, we love the guy from our tribe.

              The great thing about Ike was that he was an undisputed war hero, so he could warn about the military-industrial complex with authority–and credibility. Likewise, Ike was the only president who was heard to tell the Joint Chiefs to go f*ck themselves. Would love to have been a fly on that wall.

            • Ike had a lot more good than bad. The U-2 wasn’t good but the Interstate Hwy System was super good. Best of all peace for the most part.

            • Billy: Yeah. “Francis Gary Powers.” We’ll never forget that name! I remember that a lot of people said he should have committed suicide rather than be caught. Others said he should have crashed his plane so well that they wouldn’t be able to learn anything about the technology.

              The U2 flew so high and so fast, that we were sure that they didn’t have anything that could bring it down. I don’t know why they didn’t just take pictures to the UN to complain. Not that it would have done any good, of course, but it would have been good PR for them.

              Do you think it’s a bad episode because we were spying over a sovereign country, because he got caught, because we looked like total fools because we denied the flights, or the lie, itself?

            • The U-2 was fine, every once in awhile a hiccup happens, most of the time: “Yea tho i walk though the Valley of Death, i fear no evil – because I’m at 65K ft and climbing”

              Ike brought down mil troops but the way he kept the peace, is: he told both China and Russia, “I have Nukes, i’m making more, and if you get aggressive – I’ll use ’em”

              Only President other than Kennedy that said, “you want a war – you got one!”

            • Goethe – You may have read my spiritual feeling on other threads and know in my heart if we have peace we can learn our lessons – unfortunately not everyone in this world wants to live by the “Golden” or “Plantinum” rule – matter of fact their is a lot of barbarism.

              G. Washington: “To be prepared for war,” he said, “is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.” Well, to those who think strength provokes conflict, Will Rogers had his own answer. He said of the world heavyweight champion of his day: “I’ve never seen anyone insult Jack Dempsey.”

              At the end of WWII, there was no doubt, if necessary, we would wield our power – countries have short memories and believe the US has grown shy if not weak. and we are downsizing to exactly that. NO ONE has the nuclear power we have, but other nations say unfair, unfair you can’t ever use your power.

              If they know we will and can use all available means to us – everyone will leave us alone.

            • Blasphemy, not us. We are the good guys, sometimes, will on occasion, seldom, well at least once we were.

            • Sam: Unfortunately, that hasn’t stopped us from being a bully for the last 50 years. If we had moral leadership, we wouldn’t have to waste more money than the next 25 countries–combined–in order to prove that we’re a gorilla.

            • Goethe – You’re correct about Ike – realize he was only one of two 5 star Generals (“Black Jack” Pershing the other) and he not only commanded them as POTUS / CinC but he militarily outranked them and they had all worked for him on active duty.

              I went back and read a little history that as an unconcerned teenager hoodlum, i never really paid any attention to. I thought the far east had lost respect for the US on my first cruise and maybe parts of it did. But Ike was no peacenik and wasn’t afraid to butt up against Communism. The far east was actually more afraid of Ike than Mac-A.

        • Reagan did have higher numbers, but not for 4 straight years. He was handed 7.5% unemployment and a crashing economy. Unemployment went as high as 10.8% by the end of 82, but steadily declined after that to 7.3% by 1984. It continued to drop throughout his 2nd term down to 5.3% by 1988 (last year of his presidency).

          Obama on the other hand, had 7.3% and a crashing economy, his unemployment got as high as 10% in 2009 it is as of last numbers 7.9%. This has been the consistently highest unemployment rates on record. Maybe Hoover and Roosevelt were worse, but their numbers aren’t available to view. Still the point is you have to go back that far to find worse numbers.

          For deficit spending, adjusted to inflation every president has been in the $300 Billion/year deficit range since (and including) Reagan (that does consider inflation), and that was high. Obama has had over $1.3 Trillion every year.

          I would say he does bear blame for things lasting as long as they have. Economic collapse may not have been directly caused by him, but his policies didn’t improve it. Reagan was handed a worse situation (numerically) and did more with it. No one is talking about a booming economy, yet that is what Reagan had at the end of his first term.

          Obama’s blame is for doing the wrong things in response to a bad situation.

          For Palin, I wouldn’t say that i’m for a new ‘know-nothing’ movement. Its just that I’ve noticed that the people the democrats, pop-culture, ‘elites’ and main stream media paint as idiots are often times right on the money and more intelligent than they understand. Bush and Reagan are examples of that. Bush Sr, called Reagan’s policies ‘voo-doo economics.’ I remember the ‘bush is an idiot’ diatribe throughout his terms.

          I would rather go back to the bush years. At least he didn’t use class and race warfare to push his policies.

          • Yeah but that last Bush got us into wars tat seem to be hard to get out of. Sorry but I just don’t like to see American getting killed. I don’t like taxpayer dollars being used to kill other people either.

            • Bush didn’t get us into those wars. They would not have happened without terrorist attacks. The terrorist caused those wars. Not to sound bad, but that would be like blaming Roosevelt for us joining WWII, and a lot more soldiers died in that war.

            • OH, Josh, Josh, Josh. . .

              You can blame Afghanistan on al Qaeda. If the Taliban had been smart, they would have turned over bin Laden, we could have toasted his butt and a few of his buddies, and there wouldn’t have been a war–and the Taliban would still be there, except that the Afghans probably would have fixed them by now.

              As for Iraq, Dubya walked into the White House ASKING the CIA to come up with ANY pretense to attack Iraq. There was no justification. None.

            • Josh – i support what you say re, Bush.

              But i hate to break it to you but the US was broke (like now) and really needed a war to generate an economy. He specifically financially isolated Japan so they were forced to attack us and justify a European and Pacific war.

              The military is and always has been a huge set of pawns, knights, and bishops for the Administrations. For some of us, we got positive rewards, others just got dead.

      • I’m only going by her performance as governor. Vetoed anything that smelled of pork, created jobs, and left with a 12 billion dollar surplus. Got something better, bring it on.

  6. Billy – what!!! Bush caused the worldwide financial meltdown by deregulating banks and letting pure and simple greed to run rampant. It was unsustainable. As has been said elsewhere in is string, presiding over oil production and taxing it while you go is not that clever.
    Honestly, ask her to spell ANY word with more than four letters in it, who is the prime minister of the UK, what coal seam tracking is about, what H2o is and and and ….
    Stuff that most literate people know, Palin won’t. She’s an idiot. Look up idiot in the dictionary and there’s a picture of her. Look up fool and there are pictures of people too stupid to not notice she’s an idiot.
    SHE IS AN IDIOT, end of story.

    • Tom – such a fantasy Democrat world you live in with the Pravda’s. Clinton and Franks started loosening Freddie and Fannie and Bush tried to push back and tighten regulations in 2003, 2004, and 2005. When Dems took over in 2006 Franks was at the wheelhouse with the Mortgage Whores and given full speed ahead to even take on subprimes, just be sure to get the points $$ up front. Sometimes the poor client, who should have been disapproved, couldn’t even make the 1st payment. And their loan was sold with no regulations in a package of junk bonds ok’d by Frank.

    • Tom – it wasn’t ‘deregulation’ of banks. It was ‘over-regulation’ of banks and government programs which pushed them to give loans to low income people, with Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae backing (gov’t – our – money). The loans were bundled into investments. Bush and the republicans passively objected to it, but democrats intimidated them into doing nothing by crying about how stopping the flow of loans to the poor was mean and hateful. ‘affordable housing’ the democrats called it. Their programs caused this whole thing, and the cowardice of the republicans did nothing about it.

      Here’s the deal:

      The additional government regulation was something that required banks to value the homes at zero value, i think in the scenario when no one is paying for it.

      For example, if a bank had 100 homes worth 100,000 – their relative assets were $10 Million for those homes. When 10 of them failed and foreclosed, their assets were reduced by $1 Million. Net value evidently influences the perceived stability of the bank. and that calculation is used to determine how much money they can loan.

      So….when the homes started foreclosing, the banks lost value and stopped giving loans to protect the stability of the bank. When they stopped giving loans a lot of the economy stopped, because it was based on being able to get loans. For example, a home builder gets a loan for 90K expecting to build a house he/she expects to sell for 120K, but without the 90K loan he can’ build the house, or hire the workers to build the house.

      So what caused the homes to foreclose? I remember those days, it was high gas prices caused by government regulation (bans on offshore drilling). High gas prices caused inflation – price of food went up. In response the Fed raised interest rates to control inflation (causing many house payments to go up). The result:

      1. High Gas prices – limiting money people had to pay mortgages
      2. Higher food costs – limiting money more for people to pay mortgages
      3. Higher mortgage payments (for those on variable rates) – causing mortgage payments to go up.
      4. Higher mortgage rates caused the housing bubble to burst and put fuel on the fire

      All of this is from government regulation. Regulation of the housing market. Regulation of energy. Regulation of the interest rates.

      This was a problem caused by government ‘over’ regulation. Not ‘under’ regulation.

      • Didn’t Reagan do the same thing with the S&Ls and got the same results. But that was all blamed on one man, Keating.

          • You don’t insure something and then let it run with no regulations on it’s use. The governments job is to create and maintain an environment where business can be conducted without force or fraud.

            • agreed that government should have laws in place to make sure people play fair because ultimately a free market is where to entities (people and/or businesses) exchange goods and/or services for mutual benefit. but the problem we have today is that the government regulates to save the planet, to preserve endangered species, to force social justice, and all other kinds of stuff that doesn’t relate to ensuring fairness between the 2 parties.

              The failure of the mortgage market is tied directly to the social justice intents called ‘affordable housing’ (gas prices, inflation and rising interest rates also played significant roles).

              So government shouldn’t be in the insurance business at all.

              Consider it – who do they insure? The citizens. Where do they get the money from? the citizens.

              Insurance should be in the private market, government has no business insuring anything because nobody wants to pay for anyone else’s bad decisions at the barrel of a gun (taxation to pay for the government insurance)

            • Now that I can drink too. You want insurance, buy it, not have it mandated and the guy selling it making 10 million a year after kickbacks to the politicians who signed it into law. That is a tilted playing field.

            • Billy – you got that right => taxed if you do and taxed if you don’t

              About drinking to that: I spent 10 years in Plainview one summer. 44.2 miles to the “promised land” Nazareth and 44.3 miles to Lubbock.

    • His track record sucks so I guess he has a chance. How about Christie/ he is NUMBER 46 OUT OF 50. Right about where Romney was. Bottom feeders and the voters love them.

      • I would be for a libertarian leaning conservative – someone like Rand Paul. But really, whoever it is, if Rep’s want to win, they want to go with values not who could win.

        • Josh – in today’s world, values, medals, and a dollar will get you a cup of black jo at most rest stops.

          If pubs are as rich as dems make them out to be. Chase Soros back to Europe, buy CBS and ABC (he can keep MSNBC) and create their own Mass Media, that with the Alternative Media and Conservatives will bring change as never imagined, and best, either teachers and profs will retrain or they can join their dem brethern in the unemployment line.

          Goethe, i was quite content to read Billy and you wing it at each other until . . .

  7. Although Santorum is a stand up guy. i don’t agree that he wants to stick with the progressive tax rates, albeit he said he would push for Reagan rates (top rate of 28%). But still a flat rate for all starting at somewhere between 15-25K would be the route to go for me.

    Santorum has great fiscal, foreign, and moral policies and doesn’t apologize for them.

    I think people need to focus an push the moderates out of the presidential race. Romney got through because the party is 80% conservative, but that 80% got split between 5 other people, and he got through.

  8. 5-Minute Video–Ron Paul Exit Interview:

    He said the worst lobbyists are
    –The Military-Industrial Complex
    –The Banking System/Big Banks

    He said people agree with him on each issue–
    Do you believe in Free Enterprise? YES.
    Do you believe that your privacy should be protected? YES.
    [Government in your bedroom, and people spying on you]
    Do you think we should be policeman of the world? NO.
    –BUT they worry that he wants “too much freedom.”

    He used to think that there was a welfare problem with people who won’t work
    BUT he realized the real problem is the “food stamps” that the wealthy get
    –the contracts and the special deals

    He said he didn’t run as an independent because the two parties have a monopoly.
    He said he Libertarians and the Greens don’t have a chance, because the game is rigged.
    So he says the trick is to speak on college campuses and to build coalitions.

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2012-11-30/ron-paul-why-i-didnt-run-as-an-independent/

      • Billy:

        Thanks. That’s the thing. RP could have wiped up the floor with Willard and the rest of the Stooges. But his campaign had NO idea how the media work or how to grab their attention. The only time he got good press was when he called Santorum a phony. He should have been having days like that every week.

        • Yeah, he could have done a better job at getting his message out but I think he had the time of his life in doing what he did. He would have been up against those 43% that were going with Obama no matter what. (I got that line from Sarah)

  9. Ron Paul, freed of the encumbrance of running for office, IS NOW DEVOTING HIS TIME to Educate the People (and especially the young generation that will be our Future in a few years) that the Rights of the Individual, the US Citizen, are NEVER to be transgressed upon by any Unconstitutional “Laws, Rules and Regulations” that may be enacted by ANYONE in Office!

    That Wars the White House starts without Congressional approval are not only Unconstitutional, but have bankrupted us! That our Money is funny paper printed by a Private, Never Audited, organization called the Federal Reserve Board, that is NOT part of the US Treasury Department (the only LAWFUL AGENCY ALLOWED BY THE US CONSTITUTION TO ISSUE VALID US Dollars)!

    And the list of our Citizens sufferings goes on!
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    Ron Paul will now have a greater impact in saving America then ever before! Expect great things from this Greatest American in the months to follow — and in the next few years — expect that HIS Liberty Movement will Finally END the Tyranny that the Centralized Federal Government has tried to impose on We, the People!

    —————————————————————————————
    In this latest interview (11-30-2012), Ron Paul logically dissects the problems of our nation — and gives apodictic solutions to the Intentional Mess the Criminals that have taken Control of the US Government have plunged us into!

    Must watch 10 minutes video — spread it like Wildfire!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLtBWDLemUs&feature=plcp

  10. Off topic, and probably doesn’t deserve a separate posting:

    Here’s something I think is bizarre: the President nominates replacements for justices and Chief Justice separately. That’s not in the Constitution. Apparently, the only reason there’s any distinction is that Washington had to give Jay a special title to make him feel “special” to talk him into going onto the Supreme Court at all–and he soon quit to become governor of New York, anyway.

    Technically speaking, what if a President named a new judge and CALLED him/her the “Chief Justice”? But, of course, that would make the court even more political than it already is (if that’s possible).

    But I would feel a lot better if the President just named justices to the Supreme Court, and the justices, themselves, pick own their natural leader–in the same way that the House picks its Speaker.

    The idea that justices who have sat for DECADES are suddenly subservient to some punk kid with no Supreme Court experience seems very bizarre to me.

  11. Ron Paul KO’s Shalom Bernanke (King Fed)

    Enjoy this priceless video — and spread it like wildfire!
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    Best moment.

    Ron: Is Gold money?
    Shalom: Aah… No.
    Ron: Than why central banks hold it (gold)?
    Shalom: Aah…it (gold) is called reserves.
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    LOL — If Gold is NOT money, then why should International and our Central Banks hold Gold in vaults, and not just throw it in a river…?!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hepidgw-l1w

  12. Ron Paul is right:

    President Obama said recently of Israel’s strikes against the Palestinians in Gaza, “No country on Earth would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders.” This announcement by the administration amounts to precisely that: the US intends to rain down ever more missiles on citizens overseas. I believe what the president says about Israel is true everywhere, so what about those overseas who live in fear of our raining missiles? How will they feel about the United States? Is it not possible that we may be inviting more blowback by expanding the covert war overseas? Does that make us safer?

    An exhaustive study earlier this year by Stanford and New YorkUniversity law schools found that US drone strikes on Pakistan are “damaging and counterproductive,” potentially creating more terrorists than they kill. Its recommendations of a radical re-appraisal of the program obviously fell on deaf ears in the administration.

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2012-12-10/ron-paul-no-more-covert-wars-and-coups-in-foreign-lands/

    • The real issue is all the terrorists / Muslims / Enemies of our State have to do is say “we will prosecute our own for previous terrorists acts against your country”, ” we want peace and will not commit any further acts of aggression against your country”. But you see the entire community of Islam believes it is their duty to Allah to remove every infidel from this world regardless of the cost to them or to the infidels.

      So it is pure wishful thinking of the part of idiot education people with no skin in the game but to say what they do without understanding the true ideology of Islam. I wonder what was the basis of their study, and what was really included and how much time they actually spent with the Imam’s and actual terrorists and governments of Islamic countries.

      • Sam, my man.

        I’ve heard it all before. But then, it was the “godless Soviets.” Of course, now that the doors are open, we are admitting that they never really were much of a threat, but the xenophobia helped to gin up the war machine and obscene profits for the M.I.C.

        Do you even KNOW any Muslims? I have relatives DIRECTLY from Pakistan, and I have never known anyone as gentle and loving and sensitive.

        I’m sure there are nutty Muslims, just like there are nutty “Christians,” but I am much more worried about the “Christians,” because they threaten our freedom on a daily basis.

        • Sorry Goethe – someone is speaking with for-ked tongue. Quite possibly your Islamic friends in Detroit tell you that they want to live peaceably and equally with other religions but that is because they have no choice and are a definite minority. Have you ever asked them why the have attacked US territories or ships?? Also ask them if tyhe Mid East wants peace and why or why not?

          In Islamic countries where Islam is the majority why would they destroy Christian church’s and persecute Christians??

          Spend some time on http://www.aljazeera.com/

          Your concept of Evangelical Christians are those of the over 100 years ago and are denounced even by today’s Evangelicals.

          http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

          I’m sure your Islamic friends would like to hide behind the concept that the US is the Aggressor and a Colonist.

          http://www.muslim.org/islam/tolerance.htm

          By the way – what is your answer to world peace?? You are always so quick to denounce America and all it actions, just what you do if you had the Conn??

            • Goethe – you are blessed with a wonderful group of people. I worked with a Muslim wife and husband at Agilent, before and after 9/11 and they denounced the terrorist act of war and told me there were many of their mosque who felt as they do and they just wanted to live peacefully in the United States.

              I apologize for offending you and your family. However, i still say the Islamic community, especially abroad, have a strong dislike for Americans and have had since the battle of Tripoli and before. In the Muslim mind, for the most part, Americans as a whole are infidels and at best second class citizens if their beliefs are Abrahamic in nature. In their mind America has always been the Aggressor and matters not if we were right or not.

              This also helps to me to understand why you are so anti-American foreign policy and have also always taken the side that we have transgressed against all we fought.

            • the Islamic community, especially abroad, have a strong dislike for Americans

              Gee I can’t understand why. With friends like the USA they surely wouldn’t need any enemies. Just ask any Wampanoag Indian. (First Thanksgiving)

            • As I posted, the Prime Directive, (MYOB) A foreign occupation is just not going to bring about any form of peace.

            • And as I posted: Billy – yep (Prime Directive), and like the Big E(nterprise) – carry a very big stick, don’t take no Crap, and follow the Platinum rule.

              S. Korea, Taiwan, and Israel wants us there plus we have major co-business interests – Write your buddy Obama to get with the Prime Directive.

            • Sam: If he followed the Prime Directive, we’d be totally OUT of Korea, Taiwan, and Israel.

              Regarding Taiwan, imagine if the Chinese military set up shop in Puerto Rico. Than, maybe you’d understand why the Chinese are not very happy with us about it. That comparison is very apt–right off the coast–except that China considers Taiwan a province occupied by a renegade junta. So, from their perspective, it would me more like China setting up military in Hawaii.

            • Billy, unfortunately, so would Sam, because it would freak out the xenophobes, and our military budget would double. . . .

            • I would think it would cut it in half if we were to use China as our national defense.
              Hey they are anything for a buck people too.

            • Billy: Sam’s solution to world peace is simple–just kill everyone outside the borders. I don’t even think he likes Canadians.

            • That’s for today, tomorrow you kill everyone who doesn’t agree with your line of thought in this country.

            • Billy – yep, and like the Big E – carry a very big stick, don’t take no Crap, and follow the Platinum rule.

              So how does that roll with the two 9/11’s the other embassy attacks and USS Cole

            • That depends on how you count. Remember 9/11 cost them about $200,000. We spent a couple of trillion and still counting. Somalia was a bargain at $55 billion.

            • Billy – if you think 9/11/01 only cost Islam $200K, you are living a dream

              If we had a POTUS that hadn’t planned 9/11/12, as a election driven political ploy – 1st, it wouldn’t have happened and 2nd, if some extremists did go wildcat, we would taken out Benghazi in total by the General who was already deploying troops and the Admiral who was set to deploy f-18’s – and would have been worth $200K on our part for taking out 4 American lives – they were trying for 24 lives

            • Sam: When I first read the post, I thought you were complaining about a president who planned 9/11 in order to rationalize invading Iraq. I thought you had switched sides there for a minute. But both scenarios are equally possible (or not).

            • Goethe – Billy – We all have our beliefs and convictions. For a while longer i’m still proud to be an American and when the Democrats and Obama take away our Amendments, then I guess I’m the one to move and hope Switzerland accepts Medicare. Then you’ll have exactly the country you want, unable to defend itself, people no longer having rights or guns, Greece’s economy, big government – called the USSA, be under the direction of the UN. Burqas and Burkas and full beards coming soon. The USSA won’t invade or aggress any other country because they will have invaded us.

              Oh BTW Goethe – Obviously you’re too young to remember Cuba / Russia. And no one in S. Korea, Taiwan, or Israel tries to to defect to another country.

            • I remember Elián González. I also remember the air pirates when they hijacked a plane to Cuba but when a Cuban hijacked a boat and came to America he was a refugee. YYeah, one countries freedom fighter can be another country’s terrorist.

            • Sam:

              It amazes me that people who are screaming against Democratic Obama’s actions had nothing at all to say about the times Republican Bush used the Constitution as toilet paper. OR the people who complain about Bush, but didn’t say a word about what Democratic Clinton did wrong. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong, even if YOUR tribe was at fault.

              Sam, if you slammed Dubya, too, you’d have a lot more credibility.

              As for age, I remember wondering in the 50s why the crisis was just called “TROUBLE” in the Suez. Do you remember that? And we’ve been discussing the U-2 “Incident,” (another odd term). I also clearly remember the Berlin “Air Lift.” So don’t go acting like Methuselah.

              Anyway, yes, you’re making MY point. When we found offensive weapons in Cuba, we went TOTALLY ape-sh*t. And Cuba was simply trying to prevent another “Bay of Pigs” invasion. Anyway, they were ACKNOWLEDGED as being a Soviet ally, and we have always treated the tiny island as the worst possible enemy in history.

              We had absolutely NO right to claim Cuba as ours. We had NO right to tell them what kind of weapons they could have. There was no treaty or resolution saying Cuba couldn’t arm itself. The “Cuban Missile Crisis” was simply Might-Makes-Right, and Democratic JFK was wrong–from a legal or moral standpoint.

              Compare our response to a legal activity in an enemy state with China’s situation. Even WE officially acknowledge that Taiwan should be part of China. Yet, we are doing what the Russians did in Cuba, and defend the actions.

              We are not always wrong. You just keep picking examples of when we have been.

        • Billy:

          Plus terrorists under the bed, the FBI out the window, alligators in toilets, fluoride in the water. . . .

          • Hey, it sells big time. Has the taxpayers handing the politicians their checkbooks and giving them a standing “O” for taking their money.

  13. Jeb Bush would go a long way if he would come out and say. “I will not run for office, because america is a democratic republic and not a monarchy. No one family ought to perpetually pursue political power. Our faith is not in people, people cannot be trusted. Our faith is in God and principal. No family, not Bush, not Kennedy, not Clinton ought ever be given perpetual legitimacy simply because of family name. It is Unamerican.”

    • Gee

      i would give some consideration to the job they did while in office. If you are better off than you were 4 years ago, more food stamps and more free cell phone time, why not?

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