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I almost couldn’t bring myself to share this story but I think it is worth mentioning for a few reasons. It brings me back to Democrats who complained about President Obama being deemed guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the “birther” movement seeking information about the President’s place of birth. Now the shoe is on the other foot and Mitt Romney’s tax returns have become the holy grail for Democrats to expose prior to Election Day.

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Report from the Washington Examiner:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said that the burden of proof is on Mitt Romney to prove that he hasn’t evaded paying his taxes, despite the legal principle that a person accused of a crime is “innocent until proven guilty.”

Reid accused Romney of what amounts to tax fraud, but he doesn’t think he to provide evidence for the charge. “I don’t think the burden should be on me,” Reid told reporters on a conference call, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal. “The burden should be on him. He’s the one I’ve alleged has not paid any taxes. Why didn’t he release his tax returns?”

The Nevada Democrat earned a law degree at George Washington University in 1964 — not so long ago that he should have forgotten that due process protections in the American legal system require the accuser to prove that the accused is guilty for a case to stand. Of course, Reid isn’t filing a formal charge, so there is no impediment to him making such accusations.

“What if he has paid no taxes, like I am saying he hasn’t,” Reid told reporters, before mentioning Romney’s offshore bank accounts. “I mean, gee whiz, rather than ask me why I should do this, that is a story you should be writing.”

Reid claimed to have “several” sources who told him that Romney had avoided paying taxes for at least a decade. He wouldn’t name any of those sources.

The quote from Reid which I emphasized above really stood out to me. It is Reid’s way of telling the press they should be writing stories alleging that Romney didn’t pay taxes for a decade, not asking Reid to verify his claims.

Reid has no evidence to present other than unnamed sources which he refuses to divulge. By this burden of proof, I should be able to claim anything about anyone so long as I can quote some unnamed sources that I never have to reveal.

I don’t want to come off as taking a side on this issue but I just have to ask, is this where Presidential politics have sunk?

53 COMMENTS

  1. When you don’t have a record to run on, you have to do something to get people’s attention.

  2. Is this where politics have sunk? You couldn’t tell this from the lack of respect and professionalism the republican party has bestowed upon our president since he took office? Sheesh. I think it’s about time the democrats started playing the same game as the republicans. It appears they may be growing a spine.

    • Where have you been, Susan. Complain all you want about Republican shenanigans, but don’t act like the Democrats haven’t been doing the same all along.

      • Each party just does it differently.

        A comedian once paraphrased Lincoln, “You can fool all of the people some of the time, and you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. . .unless you keep doing it differently.”

  3. Reid, as usual, is grasping at straws. Same, left ditch, liberal crap we’ve been hearing for the last 4 years.
    Get a life Reid – and by the way, it’s time you left the senate, “For the good of the People”.

  4. How hateful are these Democrats! Candidate Romney stated he was prepared to stand against these brutal lies. Mr Romney has offered tax returns for review. Why was not this current accusation uncovered at that time. Do these people sit in a dark smoke-filled room and come up with this stuff! What about their “leader” who has committed so many actions against our Constitution? Look in the mirror Mr Reed and you will see what a failure really looks like. I’m embarassed for you. Do you remember the quote “if you can’t say anything nice…don’t say anything at all”.

  5. This old man is senile and delusional. He is so inept that became a clown. He is another millionare who has no charity to brag about. Romney gives a wow 10% to his church and 20% to charity. Obama gives to charity less than 2% and the difference to pay favors to political friends. Jesus would not vote for the crook and baby killer Obama. He truly believe that abortion improve the economy. Idiota! he is killing the tax payers of the next genetation.

  6. I am with Reid! If he won’t show them he didn’t do them. Or did something so illegal he is afraid to show them.

    • Hey the law is the law and he complied thus far. I’m with Mitt on this one and just about the only thing I agree with him on. Look I think it’s great he was able to place himself in such a position to have all that he has acquired. He knew the system and how to work it and he ain’t done yet.

  7. Harry Reid should know that in this country people are considered innocent until proven guilty! Mitt Romney has already provided more information than what is required

    • Dee Ann:

      “Required” by whom?

      “Mitt Rockefeller” has built his entire candidacy on a claim that (a) he’s a businessman, and (b) that he’s honest. I question the first claim, since his entire life has been about destroying business and liking to fire people. Now, Ann Romney says “you people” don’t deserve to know what kind of “businessman” he was. I beg to differ.

      George Romney had no problem releasing information, because he had nothing to hide (and he wasn’t even running as the Second Coming of Mr. Clean).

      To paraphrase:
      “Governor, I served with George Romney, I knew George Romney, George Romney was a friend of mine. Governor, you’re no George Romney.”

      • Yeah but you got to admit there is a much quicker buck to be made by tearing them down than in building them up.

    • Yes but when you don’t have a record to run on, as neither do, you bring out the smoke and mirrors.

  8. Who gives a s**t! What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you all supposedly have something “In Common” with Millionaire Mitt Romney???

    You people are NUTS! You don’t have any REAL opinions that effect YOU, the common man or woman, do you? You just “parrot” the same ole “Defending the Rich” rhetoric you hear on the radio or watch on TV from the likes of Neo-Cons like Millionaire Rush Limbaugh, Millionaire Sean Hannity, Millionaire Glenn Beck, Millionaire Bill O’Reilly, Millionaire Mark Levin, Millionaire Carl Rove and every other Millionaire who propagates this CRAP to the “gullible” peasant masses who’ll sit and watch their s**t!

    Millionaire Romney and Millionaire Obama want to send you “peasants” off to a Foreign Land to fight MORE WARS! Doesn’t that matter to you? And to die or be maimed for what? Their OIL Buddies? Their Banking Buddies? Come On!!! Are you that STUPID? These “chickenhawk” Politicians wrap themselves and their rhetoric in the American Flag and proclaim it’s Patriotic to “Defend American Freedom and Liberty”, while they USURP the very Constitution they swear an Oath to Uphold and Defend! It’s all Star Bangled BS!

    Face the FACTS, ladies and gentlemen. Capitalism is DEAD! We live in a Corpocracy – and a Socialist/Marxist/Fascist one at that. We live in a time of Lawlessness – where if you have MONEY – you get away with ANYTHING! No Rules! No Justice! Just Corruption, Greed, Lies and inflicting Mass Murder upon Countries who have Oil – all in-the-name-of-DEMOCRACY!

    The economic divide and/or disparity between the Rich and the Middle Class/Poor is GREATER than it ever was in History! It’s the Politically RICH or “connected” who gain the Power through Corruption – and by telling you “peasants” LIES so you’ll “run out” and vote for the Rich guy who promises you the MOST! These “Creeps” need to have the POWER! And that POWER, that they CRAVE, like “Jonesing” Drug Addicts – is to CONTROL YOU! YOU ARE THE INSIGNIFICANT PEASANTS!

    And here you all are – DEFENDING the very same “Rich Elitist” people who could give 2 s**ts about YOU! Grow Up and start thinking for yourselves! Send a Message to these Elitists – and “Write-In” Ron Paul in November!

  9. Nate,

    I’m still a young man, in my early 30’s. But I’m fascinated by how our politics and social norms compare to those of earlier times. I’m both amused and frustrated when I hear people say that Obama is by far the most socialist president we’ve ever had or that he’s abused executive power more. No objective person could look at FDR’s and Obama’s records and conclude that Obama is more socialist or more prone to use executive power. They’re not even close. You couldn’t even put them in the same category (unless your categories are Right and Left).

    But people (in general) have no sense of history, even people that were alive during the Great Depression don’t seem to realize how Obama compares to FDR.

    Likewise, politics has always been dirty. It’s been worse than this before. Much worse. I’m reminded of the caning of Senator Sumner. Of course, Brooks behavior was shocking and unprecedented. But I also imagine that Sumner would be removed from Congress if he spoke that way today.

    In other ways, I think Congress is actually much worse now than it was then. They do things today that distinguished men of the antebellum era would have never conceived of doing. But at least the dialogue is more civil. . . on the surface.

    So relax, my friend, this is nothing to get upset about. Take some small comfort in knowing that things are actually much worse than you think, that this small indignity is not the worst of the treachery going on in Congress.

    • True but the politicians have learned from history that the worse you treat them the better they like you.

  10. Nate:

    With all due respect, we know you don’t want to “come off” as taking a side in this issue, but that’s not the same as not taking a side in this issue.

    To begin with, consider the source. The Examiner? Are you kidding me? This is your source? And it wasn’t even a news piece. It was a five-paragraph commentary. By commenting on a commentary, wouldn’t you say you were “taking a side”? If you had quoted a news story from a legitimate outlet, and commented on news, that would be different.

    EVERY charge against someone is unproven, by definition. People know that. That’s why it’s called a “charge.” In this case, yes, one source was “unnamed,” but that person was “unnamed” because he was an underling of Willard, and we know what happens to underlings in those circles when they blow whistles.

    Aside from that, it really should be enough to realize that in the tax return Willard delivered, he was paying LESS than 15% income tax. Are YOU paying less than 15%? And this was a return he KNEW in advance would have to be released.

    More importantly, Bain has 138 accounts in Grand Cayman, alone. Is it reasonable to assume that Willard had nothing to do with them, or that none are his–the sole owner for so long? Oh, I forgot, Willard says he knows nothing about what went on at Bain. . .

    As Newt said during the primary, he knew of no American president who had even ONE Swiss bank account. . .

    Why not rely on a respected source, like Britain’s Guardian:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/08/romney-tax-evasion-robert-gibbs

    How about Rupert Murdoch’s WALL STREET JOURNAL? They say you can’t get a straight answer from him:

    http://live.wsj.com/video/mitt-romney-tax-evasion/AC3EBF93-DAA8-4EFD-8626-A56CAEB56791.html#!AC3EBF93-DAA8-4EFD-8626-A56CAEB56791

    Here’s an exhaustive story, specifically about this issue:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/08/investigating-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts

    As I said above, George Romney released TWELVE years of returns. Why? Because he said one or two might just be a fluke, or in this case, purposely sanitized because the dude knew they’d have to come out. And even then, it looks fishy.

    If one is running for office on an argument that he’s pure as the driven snow,wouldn’t you agree that he is then rather obliged to prove that “charges” of impurities in that snow are untrue?

    • Point taken on sources. I will try to do better.

      On this one question you asked:

      “If one is running for office on an argument that he’s pure as the driven snow,wouldn’t you agree that he is then rather obliged to prove that “charges” of impurities in that snow are untrue?”

      No. Every presidential candidate has charges against them levied by opponents, some true, some not true. A candidate can choose to respond or not but nothing obliges them to. The voters will judge.

      My tax rate is much lower than Romney’s, I hired the accounting firm used by Kerry, Geithner and Rangel.

      • Nate:

        I totally disagree. Willard doesn’t deserve a free pass, just because he doesn’t feel that he needs to care about the concerns of the lowly “you people.”

        This is NOT a frivolous charge, even though Reid was a moron. I remember Nixon’s “Checkers” speech, in which he slickly switched charges about his accepting bribes to his dog. He DID have to answer that charge. I remember Kennedy answering charges that he would take orders from the Vatican. He DID have to answer that charge. I remember the “Daisy” commercial that charged that Goldwater would start a nuclear war. He never adequately answered that charge, and lost. We all remember the “Swiftboat” charges. Again, Kerry didn’t answer, and more than anything else, that caused his loss. Answering charges is the JOB of a candidate, and YES they are “obliged” to do so.

        In 1968, nobody asked to see Agnew’s financial records and he had to resign the vice presidency due to numerous bribes. Shall we put Willard in the White House, hoping nothing comes out??

        In the case of Willard, there is plenty to question. And he is very bad at answers. When opponents have criticized Bain, he just claimed ignorance. It was HIS company. He could have dashed that whole issue by saying you have to make tough decisions in business, and they help some people and hurt others, that’s life. Problem ended. Instead, as president, ceo, and only owner, he is claiming that he had nothing to do with it??

        The guy is a Robber Baron. That term derives from the medieval German lords who charged tolls on ships traversing the Rhine without adding anything of value. [Wikipedia] That IS the Romney style–add nothing, but suck up all the wealth.

        As noted, HIS company, Bain, had 138 accounts in the Caymans. And we know there were others, elsewhere. As Newt said, no other president had even one Swiss bank account. As George Romney said, if he released just one tax return, it might be a fluke–so he released TWELVE years.

        This election is about a guy who says he can do it better. He says he doesn’t want to release his tax returns because people will be less mad that he stonewalled than if they saw the truth. I believe he DOES owe it to “us people” to show, as Nixon said, that “I am not a crook.”

        • Just don’t think the tax issue is going to be near as big as the birth certificate was and you see how much that hurt Obama. Just a smoke screen so the voters don’t look at the real issue, job creation, 46 out of 50 when he was in control of things.

        • Obviously you are in the camp of judging that it matters to the point that you won’t vote for him, which is your right. I don’t think he ever had your vote, but that is the gamble he takes, that some voters will deem it a negative. Obviously nothing legally compels him to do so since politics isn’t a court of law, but would the contents of his tax returns change your vote in favor him? I highly doubt.

      • The irony is that one of the “charges” is that Romney found sleazy ways to get OTHER people’s private information:

        The “unnamed” source said he liked Romney, but “Bain and Co., the person recalls, pushed employees to find out secret revenue and sales data on its clients’ competitors. Romney, the person says, suggested “falsifying” who they were to get such information, by pretending to be a graduate student working on a proj­ect at Harvard. (The person, in fact, was a Harvard student, at Bain for the summer, but not working on any such proj­ects.) “Mitt said to me something like ‘We won’t ask you to lie. I am not going to tell you to do this, but [it is] a really good way to get the information.’ … I would not have had anything in my analysis if I had not pretended. It was a strange atmosphere. It did leave a bad taste in your mouth,” the former employee recalls.”

      • This IS important stuff and we DO deserve to know what Willard was doing where and what he got paid for it.

        And the REASON this is important is that there is still time for the GOP to dump this caviar-priced albatross and pick a winner.

        Eagleton was dropped from the Dem ticket in 1972 AFTER the convention. We don’t want that again.

  11. George Romney released TWELVE years of IRS forms, saying one income tax return might be a “fluke.” I just realized that “fluke” is a type of FISH, explaining why Willard’s return seemed so fishy. . .

  12. IF the IRS, which is a collection hawk, has not gone after Romney, then that is proof enough. The IRS lets no one escape from their clutches. And why don’t all the other politicians prove they have paid their taxes…..why not let ALL of them publish online that they have filed and the IRS accepted as complete their filing…?

    • Excellent point. We know of every celebrity having tax trouble. I’d wager if Romney had tax evasion in his past to worry about, TMZ would have been the first to report the evidence.

    • Much to do about nothing. Stay focused on the job creation issues. Check their track records on said issues before you vote and you might just stay home.

      • Billy: I think Reid was an idiot for making a flat charge. He should have just asked the question, and let other people argue over it.

        That being said, there are several issues here. Willard sucked up a LOT of “unearned income” (that’s the legal description of money you get by sitting on you ass while your money sucks up other money). Yet, he paid only 13.9% in the year he KNEW would be gone over with a fine tooth comb. He has said he takes every tax break he possibly can, with his army of lawyers–which would be fine, if you and I had an army of lawyers, too. But it gets worse. He has been saying he wants to turn that 13.9% to ZERO by eliminating the tax on “unearned income.”

        Beyond that, we know he was getting a SALARY of $100,000 per year from a company he says he had nothing at all to do with. There has been question of whether his filings were a felony. My guess is that his army of lawyers probably covered his butt on that, but it raises the question of what other bizarre things he did during those years. The TYPES of things he has done is exactly like what the banks did to cause the current depression.

        There are a lot of policy questions, but to me, it’s about character. When he told his employee, “We won’t ask you to lie. . .but it’s a really good way to get information.” Clearly, he was telling the employee to lie, but in a way that gave Willard deniability. Reminded me of when Nixon said, “a million dollars? We could get that. . .but it would be wrong.”

        The more we hear of Romney’s ethics, the more Nixonesque he sounds. And if you liked Nixon in office, you’ll love Willard. He is saying the same things Nixon said, and his record is similar, but more liberal. You can expect Nixon all over again–except that Nixon tried to REDUCE international tensions, going to China and the Soviet Union.

        • No doubt this guy swims with the barracudas and I have nothing against that if here is something in it for me. In this case the me means the American people. His track record would tend to indicate there is something in in for only a small group of selected individuals if this guy gets elected. Hey he had his chance to prove his worth to the public when he was governor. He used his business experience gained at Bain to do exactly what he did at bain to (not for) the people of Ma.

  13. Ron Paul to WIN — or America to END 2012!
    (there are no other options!)

    All REAL Americans, and ALL People around the world— that believe in Liberty, Peace, Prosperity, Honesty, Truth, Goodness and Self-determination —are for Ron Paul.

    President Paul wants to save our Nation and heal the World, and desires nothing for himself — making him a True Patriot (unlike the megalomaniacs that want The Presidency, so they can get a bigger pie, and engorge themselves further at the people’s expense — marking them as Leeches on the path to suck US dry)!

    Ron Paul has awoken the Sleeping Giant that is We, The People! We are growing in numbers and our voice is no longer distant thunder — but a Roaring Storm that’s approaching and eventually will wipe out the PUPPETEERS that have stolen Our Nation!

    We are the MANY, while the Criminals in Power, that want to control us, are the FEW (and their subhuman squeals are getting weaker)!

    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xq3BYw4xjxE)

  14. IT IS ALL A BIG FARCE!

    what gospel is that, the bible? the Koran? Budda’s teaching. its all bullcrap! its written word from man, not from some God, you do realize the “bible” as you call it was created around the Constantine empire…and they only selected the text that was deemed Christian like, so please stop pandering to what you know, and learn new things. God was created as a way for those weak individuals to have a place in society, the witchdoctor, shaman, priest, or pastor, they are all the same.

    Current financial rules and regulations”
    leave it complicated and arcane. As we learn from every other thing the government produces when it touches finance and taxes, it is a master of complexity. It keeps more people employed, promotes more workers, promotes the education industry to get paid to teach the complexity, promotes the book industry to document the complexity and keeps regulators big, therefore it is an indirect stimulus to the economy and adds to the treasury holdings of foreign governments to appease foreign powers that the US will comply.

    I do not understand how about just raise the debt ceiling to 100 trillion dollars, secretly hand out 1 million to everyone who has a valid social security number and watch the economic collapse, at least it wouldnt be this slow burn we are going through now. America started off with a national debt of 689 million back in the beginning, it has gotten worse every year except a few during the Clinton years. Guess who was in charge of congress during those years? REPUBLICANS. Vote ObamaNation out next year. I will not vote for this class warfare idiot ever. We got the “not voting for a minority for President monkey” off our backs. Deport all Illegals, Define marriage as between one man, one woman. Abolish the Federal Reserve, and do a complete audit. Isolate our internet in the United States so we cannot access outside of this countries vendors, or illegal bomb making sites, porn site…etc. subversive blogs. Abolish all unions. Clean out all of government from the local sherif to the highest authority including this terrible president. Keep only the original Constitution, and original 10 bill of rights, and no more. Simplify the tax code. Eliminate the waiter wage. Re-establish states rights that make sense with regards to abortion, illegal immigration. Build a valid border to the south and north, and bring every single troop home to protect our lands along the coast. Offer to move the whole of Isreal’s population to the United States if they really are our allies. 16 trillion in debt compared to a 54 billion surplus in Isreal. Stop importing from other countries.

  15. I have a birth certificate from Germany too , it doesnt mean I am from that nation or was born there. I will remain a birther until death. Where are the pictures of Obama from any school he attended other than college?

  16. Harry Reid, how about releasing all your tax reports including the income you have made off of insider trading A55wipe?

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