A little known fact among presidential campaigns is that, along with tallying up delegates to nominate the Presidential nominee, the Vice Presidential nominee must also pass through a nominating process with the convention delegates, though not in quite the same way. Enter Ron Paul’s ever-growing number of delegates heading to Tampa this August and there could be some fireworks in the making.

Report from the Huffington Post:

This may be the Ron Paul gambit we’ve been waiting for.

An obscure rule change made four years ago by the Republican Party has opened the door for Paul forces to cause a major headache for Mitt Romney when he tries to nominate his choice for vice president at the party convention in August.

The Republican National Committee could change Rule 40 in the week leading up to the convention, but that would risk the appearance of jamming Romney’s nominee through, and likely cause a subsequent backlash.

Republican officials are still waking up to the fact that Paul loyalists — who control the majority of delegates in Maine, Minnesota and Iowa, and have sizable contingents in a number of other states — could very likely enter Paul’s name into nomination for vice president. This would force a roll call vote where each delegate of each state is polled on the floor of the convention.

As stated, the GOP could have possibly brought this scenario into view by their own rule change and may be scrambling at this point to try and prevent a VP nomination battle.

The question is, how does this actually happen?

For example, if Romney chose Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) as his vice presidential pick, but the Paul forces leveraged their impressive foothold in several states to nominate Paul from the floor, then someone like Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla) could emerge as the preferred pick for many delegates as the convention goes into a roll call vote. And Rubio’s name could be entered into nomination, in addition to Paul’s, if a plurality of five states voted to nominate him.

Where things would go from there is anybody’s guess.

Basically what this boils down to is leverage. Ron Paul will undoubtedly have a fairly meaningful role in the convention this year. He could likely land a prime time speaking spot or, at the very least, some preferred influence over the party platform.

There are states, such as Nevada, for example, where Paul supporters have managed to win 22 of 28 delegate spots. Those delegates are bound by state rules to cast their vote on the presidential nominee question for Romney. However, those restrictions don’t apply to the vice presidential nominee. Nevada’s delegates are therefore free to support whoever they want for vice president.

Thus, in the context of the vice presidential nomination, you can add Nevada to the list of states — in addition to Minnesota, Iowa and Maine — where Paul forces control majorities of delegates and would likely support placing Paul’s name into nomination for vice president.

This is before you even get to the question of which states might have a plurality of delegates who want to support Paul –or for that matter his son, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) — for vice president.

Paul said in a recent statement that all together, he estimates to have about 200 delegates headed to Tampa that are bound to him, with another 300 or so delegates supporting him but bound to Romney. But again, those 300 delegates are bound to Romney only on the question of the presidential nominee, and not on the question who should be the party’s vice presidential nominee.

The last sentence is key since that is the condition which forces the bound delegates into supporting Romney for President but not necessarily Romney’s choice for Vice President. With these conditions brewing, there is no doubt Tampa will be a fascinating process to watch of grass roots organizing versus the GOP establishment.


  1. Well Well Well! If Ron Paul or his son is finally maneuvered into Romney’s VP candidate position, it could be the best thing to happen for POTUS Obama. Thamk you, Ron…

    • Richard Bloomenstein — are you sure…?

      10 million Strong Americans need to descent on Tampa and take the nomination for Ron Paul!

      If there was a “Million Men March” on DC (to ask for what they thought was right) we can have a 10 Million Men, Women and Children March on Tampa — to demand what we KNOW is RIGHT!

      No more playing nice with these criminals in power!

      Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012!
      (There are no other options — so, speak softly, and carry a Big Stick in Tampa!)

  2. Ridiculous.

    So, assuming that the GOP doesn’t change even more rules, Ron Paul MIGHT have a say in who becomes vice president, AND Ron Paul MIGHT have a say in the party platform. Big whoop.

    What good is the office of vice president? Vice President Alben Barkley famously said the office wasn’t “a worth warm bucket of [spit].” It has no real power, except to break ties in the Senate. And in our history, only six of 44 presidents moved directly from VP to the top spot without having the president die in office.

    As for the platform, it is no longer worth the paper it’s written on. So why bother?

    If the GOP were smart, they would pick Ron Paul as vice presidential candidate. They could trot him around the country to make speeches. He’d attract young people, independents, and anti-war/anti-drug war Democrats. Then they’d put him in a box for four years, letting him do nothing at all. Rmoney and the banksters would call the shots. And of course, Paul would be too old to run for president after that.

    Naming Ron Paul the vice presidential candidate would actually be the BEST way to neutralize him, while manipulating his horde of followers to the polls. And with a sense of success, his followers would dissipate, and not be a threat in the future.

    • “What good is the office of vice president? Vice President Alben Barkley famously said the office wasn’t “a worth warm bucket of [spit].” It has no real power, except to break ties in the Senate. And in our history, only six of 44 presidents moved directly from VP to the top spot without having the president die in office.”

      You’re looking at that statistic all wrong. It’s incredibly hard to become president. 6/44 is 13.6%. Suppose I could give you an edge in the next Mega Millions drawing, an edge that gives your 1 ticket a 13% chance of winning. You can say “Meh, that’s only 13%.” But that edge is worth millions of dollars, close to $100M for the last record breaking pot.

      And besides that even the 13.6% figure is misleading. Some of those VPs (like Cheney, possibly Biden) were picked specifically to not make them a factor in the next election. They should be removed from any statistical consideration. Some of them didn’t want to be president after being VP. Take them out too. The percentage is getting better and better.

      And any other position is going to have far less power to be a stepping stone to the presidency. You could be a senatator or govenor or SoS, but all of those will give you a much smaller chance of becoming president than VP.

      Look at it another way. If you want to be president some day and you can have any position right now to help you do that. You want to be VP. It’s a no-brainer.

      • Pretty good. I think you might also say you got as much chance as becoming prez as the prez has as being killed in office. I think there were 6 of them.

  3. Obama was down here in Tampa and they lied up for hours to get tickets to hear the anointed one speak. He is going to really have to shoot himself in the foot to lose. As I have posted before, I grew up in Chicago and the worse the politicians treated the people the better they liked um. Board up and vacant lot are the specialty of the house. Detroit didn’t get that way overnight nor did Chicago. The voters across the country would have it in no other way.

  4. The Real Delegate Count of delegates who prefer a

    candidate, not those “bound” to a candidate:

    Romney 419, Paul 263, Gingrich 106, Santorum 41

    Federal Lawsuit has been filed claiming



    Spread this like wildfire!!!

  5. Rmoney has no true support — his are delegates that are anti-BO not pro-Mitt….

    As such — being only 419 of them so far — he has a lot more to fear than the VP spot. His nomination will slip away when ALL delegates are informed that NONE are bound by any RNC rules!

    Remember that at the National Convention the US Election Laws kick in — and the GOP’s rules become null and void!

    Rmoney will be lucky if he can get nominated for the VP spot — he can forget the Presidential Nomination…that will be won by Ron Paul (and there will be millions of US REAL AMERICANS surrounding the Tampa Convention center, MAKING SURE THIS HAPPENS…or else)!

    The Real Delegate Count of delegates who prefer a
    candidate, not those “bound” to a candidate:

    Romney 419, Paul 263, Gingrich 106, Santorum 41

    Federal Lawsuit has been filed claiming



    Spread this like wildfire!!!

    • I dunno. I’m beginning to think this was orchestrated. First, Rand ingratiates himself to the establishment. Then Ron scares the Bejeezus out of them. Then, they ask what it will take to shut up Ron. They offer him the Veep spot for Rand, who has already shown that he’s harmless. Ron agrees to go gentle into that good night, Rand is put into the Veep box, and the party looks like one, big, happy family. Then, Ron’s fans will think they “won,” so they will fight for putting Rand in the White House, even if his office is some back hall closet.

      The best case scenario at that time would be for the ticket to lose, so Rand would be the GOP first-choice in 2016. Biden won’t run, so that election will be a toss-up.

      • And lose they will. How about Romney talking about citizenship for those Latinos that served in the military when he himself was a draft dodger?

        Mitt Romney, incredibly, was able to avoid serving in Vietnam because he was on his Mormon mission, driving around the French countryside. (The Mormon church defined missions — which all good young Mormon men go on — as a form of priesthood.) In fact, not one of Romney’s five sons has served in the military either, despite Mitt arguing for U.S. military involvement in Iraq and elsewhere.

        • Billy:

          Yep, Mittney is yet another Neocon Chicken Hawk. The way I understand it, he first claimed a college deferment, and when they started to cut back on that, he suddenly became a “minister.”

          But he wants YOUR kid to die in BFE. His plan for cutting down the unemployment numbers.

          And remember, he says “RUSSIA is our number one international threat.” If he can sell that idea, we can start spending multi-billions on more aircraft carriers and obsolete-when-designed bombers. Buy stock in death!!

          • Just like the French plan to spend our way out of this mess. I have to agree with the Mr Surf Fisher here that neither the French nor the Greek plan here is going to work.

    • “(and there will be millions of US REAL AMERICANS surrounding the Tampa Convention center, MAKING SURE THIS HAPPENS…or else)!”
      that sounds like a threat someone could get arrested for, Ron Paul will Lose. Its going to happen, you just need to face that fact, the USA will not be destroyed, the world wont come to an end JUST because Ron Paul didn’t get elected. in fact I can guarantee it will be better off. Ohh and just a reminder big brother is watching

  6. Ron Paul has locked up being on the Presidential ballot in Tampa — no matter what the criminal GOP does, it will be hard put to overcome the below (without getting into further federal lawsuits!).

    At least 14 States Plurality:

    1) Alaska
    2) Colorado
    3) Georgia
    4) Iowa
    5) Louisiana
    6) Maine
    7) Massachusetts
    8) Michigan
    9) Nevada
    10)New Mexico
    12)New Hampshire

    15-20) Plus Several States that are “Unclear” as of now!

    And 8 States Majority so far (only 5 are needed!):

    1) Colorado
    2) Iowa
    3) Louisiana
    4) Maine
    5) Massachusetts
    6) Minnesota
    7) Nevada
    8) Virginia

    Bye, bye Perfidy Mitt — the UNBOUND delegates will vote you OUT, NWO-scumbag!

    Time for YOU — Mitt Rmoney — to resign NOW in favor of Ron Paul, thus becoming a patriot to be remembered (before you get totally embarrassed and have your political carrier ended in Tampa)!

    Federal Lawsuit has been filed claiming



  7. Yes Yes Yes!! All this will only help the re-election of POTUS Obama. The more GOP confusion, the better for Barack Obama… now improving his odds.

    • Richard Bloomenstein — what is “POTUS Obama”… is that the term of the plastic outhouses they place at ballgames…?

      “Mitt Romney Resigns!”

      “Mitt Romney announced today (place date) he will no longer seek the Republican nomination. Instead, he pledged his full support to Dr. Ron Paul, who he trusts implicitly to be the only viable candidate to defeat Barrack Obama,” said a Romney spokesperson.

      Mr. Romney’s spokesperson continued saying, ” Mr. Romney is making the ultimate sacrifice, for the good of the Nation, so wants to be remembered as the one that helped America be rid of Obama…as such Mr. Romney is a true patriot…”.

      Questioned as to the real reasons Mitt Romney quit — the spokesperson said, “He only wants to be remembered as the Patriot that Saved America… that is his only reason”….and “…none of the below were a factor in his decision”…as claimed:

      “That so many videos have been taped showing fraud on his behalf that TV mini-series could be made running for weeks,
      Or, that he can’t get 100 people to attend his meetings, while Ron Paul gathers Real Americans in the several thousands,
      Or, that he has broken rule #11 in collusion with the GOP, so he is about to be removed from many states ballots,
      Or, that his shadowy party in Nevada, is further grounds for his removal as a GOP candidate,
      Or, that he cannot garner enough delegates with all the cheating done on his behalf so far,
      Or, that All National Delegates are NOT bound according to rule #38, and US election law, in Tampa,
      Or, that his eventual loss to Ron Paul in Tampa will make him a national joke,
      Or, that even if manages to CHEAT his way out of Tampa, his guaranteed loss to Obama will make him an even Bigger Joke…”.

      No, none of these are factors, according to Mitt Romney’s spokesperson — “Mr. Romney quit the race today because he is a Patriot!”

      And I agree, Mitt did the right thing — and we shall build monuments and name schools after him!

      Pass it on! Hopefully someone with brains in Mitt’s camp will see this syllogism and force it upon him (for his own good)!

  8. Ron Paul Keeps Winning the Battles, but What About the War?

    LONG ARTICLE — but must read material!!!

    Joe Wolverton, II
    New American
    June 24, 2012

    Word out of Iowa is that Ron Paul won a majority of that state’s delegates to the Republican National Convention to be held in August in Tampa, Florida. This is contrary to the story told on election night in January when first Mitt Romney and then, after a recount, Rick Santorum was declared the winner of the Hawkeye State’s caucus.

    After what the Des Moines Register described as a “two-day tug-of-war marked by bouts of angry shouting,” backers of the Libertarian-leaning Texas congressman won 23 of the state’s 28 total delegates.

    This isn’t the first such example of a Paul Paradox. State convention delegates elected pro-Paul slates in Minnesota, Maine, Nevada, and Louisiana, although Paul didn’t win the popular vote in any of those states (or any other state for that matter). The results are indisputable, but the million-dollar question is whether the Republican National Committee will allow these delegates to vote their consciences or will “bind” them to vote for the “presumptive nominee,” former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

    Some who support Ron Paul have decided not to wait on the RNC to rule and have taken their case to the courts.

    As we have reported, a lawsuit was filed by the law firm of Gilbert & Marlowe in Santa Ana, California, asking a federal court to determine:

    … whether Plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the Federal Election known as the Republican National Convention or whether Plaintiffs are bound to vote for a particular candidate as instructed by Defendants’ State Party Bylaws, or State Laws, or the preference of political operatives….

    Named as defendants in the lawsuit are the chairmen of every state’s Republican Party, as well as the state party itself.

    A d v e r t i s e m e n t

    In all a total of over 143 delegates (presumably national delegates, otherwise the federal court would have no jurisdiction) have joined or asked to join as plaintiffs in the suit.

    Among other complaints, the lawsuit alleges that the RNC violated its own rules and applicable federal voting statutes by:

    Certifying “unlawful slates of Delegates that were not elected in accordance with the US Statues and US Supreme Court Decisions cited, nor in accordance with the proper Bylaws of Defendants;”

    Engaging “in a scheme to intimidate and harass Delegates who were supporting a Candidate that Defendants did not approve of;”

    Forcing delegates to “sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial penalties and fines if the Delegate fails to vote as instructed by Defendants rather than vote the Delegate’s conscience as mandated by the US Statutes and US Supreme Court;”

    Denying “a quorum or to manipulate Delegates supporting a particular Candidate to be deprived of a fair election as a Delegate;”

    Using “threats of violence including dressing security type people in dark clothing searching out supporters of a Candidate Defendants do not approve of to harass and intimidate said Delegates from voting their conscience;”

    Unlawfully using “State Bylaws and in some cases State Laws to harass and intimidate Delegates from voting their conscience;” and

    Altering “the voting ballot results to fraudulently reflect an outcome that is inconsistent with the actual voting ballot results for the purpose of certifying a fraudulently selected slate of Delegates to support the Candidate of Defendants’ choice rather than the Delegates properly elected.”

    If the court does not issue an immediate injunction blocking these actions, the plaintiffs argue, they will suffer irreparable harm.

    This notion of “binding” delegates to vote for one candidate despite their own allegiances (and the allegiances of those state convention delegates who voted for them) is one of the many bones of contention being fought over by those loyal to Ron Paul and those who accept Mitt Romney as the “presumptive nominee.”

    The RNC argues that the winner of the popular vote (Mitt Romney in most cases) should also received at least a corresponding percentage of that state’s delegates elected at the state conventions, while the plaintiffs in this lawsuit (and the Paul campaign itself) insist that delegates are empowered by RNC Rule 38 to vote their consciences and cannot be forced to vote for the winner of the state primaries.

    Promising to “carry on the fight,” the executive committee of the Lawyers for Ron Paul is actively seeking new plaintiffs to add to the lawsuit and they continue to promote the message that the war is not over and that despite the fact (as they see it) that Ron Paul’s national campaign staff has “thrown in the towel,” the grassroots supporters around the country still have the power to get their man into the White House.

    Assuming for a moment that a federal judge rules that all Republican delegates to the national nominating convention are unbound and may vote for the candidate of their choice, what would the practical effect of such a holding be? Ron Paul himself has conceded that he does not have the numbers necessary to put him over the top and onto the top of the ticket. Is there any scenario that can convert these victories into anything other than the Pyrrhic variety?

    First, Ron Paul maintains that he is not ready to follow in his senator son’s footsteps and endorse Mitt Romney.

    In an interview on CNN’s The Situation Room, Ron Paul said, “No. Not ready. No way,” when asked by the host Wolf Blitzer if he was ready to throw his support behind Romney. That firm denial seems to indicate that despite having suspended his active campaign in May, Ron Paul remains a candidate for president.

    Then again, there is the message to supporters posted last week on YouTube where Ron Paul told viewers that he had “a lot of good news,” describing a roster of goals for all the delegates and alternates elected to represent him at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August.

    First, delegates should work to “influence the platform.” Next, they should “fight for our values,” and finally, “do whatever they can to promote the cause of liberty.”

    Running about eight minutes, Dr. Paul’s message does not sound like an attempt to either compromise or concede. He sounds confident that the fight for liberty and limited government will continue.

    But without him in the Oval Office.

    Another Paul Paradox is the man’s adamant denials that he will mount a third party campaign for president. This hardline would seem to indicate that Ron Paul considers the GOP to be the most reliable vehicle for taking his message to the masses. Why then does he refuse to endorse the Party’s candidate?

    Principle. The answer is that in a world where pseudo-statesmen trip over themselves to be the first to get to the Party’s altars so they can sacrifice all their principles to the god of Power, Ron Paul stands back, humbly and boldly proclaiming liberty like the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

    Whatever the outcome, when the smoke clears on this Republican war of ideas, there is little doubt that there will remain yet alive millions of American freedom fighters devoted to the cause of the Constitution and to the protection of our civil liberties.

    Many of these patriots are young, so they must be reminded that there will come others from their ranks that will run for office and promote this cause and stand firm against the Establishment’s gradual march toward absolutism.

    Truly, Ron Paul is not the first and he will not be the last candidate to lead the fight for freedom, but he may be the best.

  9. Ron Paul Massachusetts delegates CRIMINALLY disqualified from the RNC!

    One thing that must be comprehended by all:

    If the requirement to sign these affidavits was introduces Ex Post Facto (which seems to be the case) then the invalidation of the duly elected Ron Paul delegates cannot be Legally enforced (even by a Private Organization such as the GOP) since that flies in the face of all common law (no-one can Retroactively change the rules, in order to change the outcome of an already transpired Fact!).

    Lawyers For Ron Paul must get on top of this immediately. Not only to seek immediate remedy, but also to place federal criminal charges against the named perpetrators of this criminal act since it affects the outcome of a national election (whereby Federal Election Laws subjugate all state and civil laws, and all private rules that are passed in order to disfranchise any and all)!


  10. WASHINGTON, DC 6-25-2012 – Congressman Ron Paul, Chairman of the Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology Subcommittee, announced today that the subcommittee will hold a hearing this week to examine fractional reserve banking.

    “Fractional reserve banking underpins the entire banking system, yet its effects on society are completely ignored,” Paul stated. “Our financial system consists of vast amounts of credit pyramided on top of very small amounts of real savings– all backstopped by explicit and implicit government guarantees. This poses significant risks to the stability of the economy and monetary system, which ought to give pause to any serious observer of financial markets.”

    We, The People, have been economic Slaves to these Bankster Creatures…and nearly none of us are aware of this EVER EXPANDING SLAVERY!

    (the video below explains it short & simple; for in depth, read Henry Ford’s “The International Jew” and a book called “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” — good luck finding either in your local library…most likely BANNED there!)

    Spread this like wildfire!


  11. Real Americans are now The Enemy of the USA — when did this happen!?!?!

    This is the most lucid examination I’ve seen. It is spot on!

    And most disturbing is that the current US Senate still swears an Allegiance to the Corporation of the United States — NOT the US Constitution!

    That should tell us to whom they belong!

    I wish someone is able to post a picture of the booklet issued to US Senators before each session — where it states on PAGE ONE to whom their swear their allegiance (The Corporation of the USA) prior to commencing their “Constitutional” order of conducting business!

    It is true that since Lincoln (whose FACTUAL legacy — not the moral words he spoke — since Fact supersedes Talk) will be remembered as the One US President that caused more American deaths than both World Wars combined, left our nation under Marshall Law (disguised till now — until the BO has blatantly started to flex his muscle to DO to HIS SUBJECTS whatever he wishes under these Unconstitutional Powers Granted)!

    Why do you think the BO, or if perchance, the Mittney, deemed as the more palatable successor to placate the American People if he wins since he’ is the “lesser” evil — will continue to build FEMA Concentration Camps who have already ordered 15,000,000 iron shackles to ease us there…? Since Real Americans will never agree with any tyrant?

    It Is because, of this Martial Law, that they own US by default!

    P.S. If you research it further — you’ll see that currently ALL US Citizens have LOST their Sovereignty, and as subordinates of the US Corporation have ZERO protection under the original US Constitution, and are SUBJECTS to the WILL of the Executive Branch (who are the only ones that can claim Constitutional Protection — precisely, ONLY the US Congress, the US Senate and the US President and the US Vice President are the ONLY ONES entitled to Constitutional Rights — NO OTHER AMERICAN IS)!

    In conclusion — we can no longer claim to be US Citizens, but Subjects to be disposed of as the Usurpers of our Nation chose our futures to be…Unless we TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY, by whatever Declaration of Liberty means are again necessary!

    Ron Paul to WIN — or America to End 2012!
    (there are no other options)!

    Share this — spread it like wildfire!


    • I knew there had to be more than just me who recognized “Honest Abe” for the real shyster that he was.

      • Billy:

        Abe was human. I think this is the problem with our silly history classes, that paint all our presidents as patriots and America can do no wrong. There is no way that ANY human being can now measure up to the fantasy that we’re taught when we’re kids.

        I think some people now feel that Ron Paul is the Second Coming, and if they find even one flaw in him, they will be horribly disappointed.

        • Goethe Behr —

          How dare you compare Ron Paul to Lincoln?! Honest Abe caused the Death of more Americans than all other presidents following him COMBINED!

          Ron Paul is in the league of Thomas Jefferson, a true patriot that only cares to save our whole nation (unlike Lincoln that destroyed half of it)!

          If you find any flaws in Ron Paul — be sure to let us know…since so far, in over 30 years, he has displayed none!

          • The problem with hero worship is that one loses touch with reality.

            My point was that most people idolize Lincoln, yet he was only a man. And now, you compare Ron Paul to Jefferson, and while I think Jefferson was probably our greatest or one of our greatest statesmen, he certainly had his faults, too. They are well documented.

            If I worked at it, I’m sure I could find fault with Ron Paul, but why would I want to? It is his message that is important. And, besides, one’s achievements should be separated from his foibles. If famous actors are jerks in their personal lives, does that make their acting any worse?

  12. just an FYI to the Ron Paul Extremists out there
    Ron paul is disappointed in you, you are more of a burdon to his campaign than help

    • Manhunter:

      The Capitol Column | Wednesday, June 27, 2012

      Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson. . .as well as his running mate Jim Gray. . .will be speaking to Ron Paul supporters at a festival in Tampa days before the Republican convention. . .on August 25-26. . . . The festival, which brings together speakers, rock bands, and entertainers, is planned as a tribute to Ron Paul and grassroots activism.

      “Governor Johnson’s attendance furthers Paul Festival’s goal to band together against the political establishment,” said Bryan Simeon, the chief organizer of Paul Festival, in a press release issued on Friday.

      “I am grateful and excited to receive an invitation from Paul Festival and look forward to joining such a great gathering for liberty,” said Johnson in the Paul Festival press release. “I proudly stand by my record as a governor who united voters from all parties and beliefs.”

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