As expected, Mitt Romney picked up more delegates and more support Tuesday from Arkansas and Kentucky primary voters. President Obama has been on the Democratic primary ballot in most states but is typically unopposed. Similar to West Virginia earlier this month, the President lost a significant amount of support to a Democrat challenger in Arkansas and lost the same amount to the “Uncommitted” option in Kentucky.

Complete Results: CNN Election Center

First, the report on Romney’s victories from Bloomberg:

Mitt Romney moved closer to capturing the number of delegates required to win the Republican presidential nomination with victories in yesterday’s Arkansas and Kentucky primaries.

After capturing the 75 delegates at stake in those two states, Romney has 1,067 of the 1,144 delegates needed for the nomination, according to an Associated Press tally. The nomination will be formally conferred at the Republican National Convention Aug. 27-30 in Tampa, Florida.

The 65-year-old former Massachusetts governor may surpass the required number on May 29, when 152 delegates will be awarded in the Texas primary. The primaries end June 26 when Utah votes.

Romney had 68 percent of the vote in Arkansas with all precincts reporting, according to the AP. Representative Ron Paul of Texas and former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania each had 13 percent and former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia had almost 5 percent.

In Kentucky, Romney had 67 percent of the vote with all precincts reporting, according to the AP. Paul, whose son Rand Paul was elected to the Senate from the state in 2010, had almost 13 percent, followed by Santorum with 9 percent and Gingrich with 6 percent; another 6 percent were uncommitted.

Here’s the scoop on President Obama’s primary results, also from Bloomberg:

Results in the Democratic primaries in Arkansas and Kentucky underscored the political difficulties President Barack Obama faces in each state.

In Arkansas, with all precincts reporting, Obama had 58 percent of the vote to almost 42 percent for John Wolfe, a Tennessee lawyer who qualified for the ballot.

In Kentucky, with all precincts reporting, Obama had 58 percent of the vote to 42 percent for an uncommitted slate of delegates.

Obama lost both states to Republican John McCain in 2008, Arkansas by 20 percentage points and Kentucky by 16 percentage points.

This is fairly embarrassing for the President to have anything less than near-unanimous support at this point on the Democratic side. That being said, you cannot often compare southern Democrat voters to those in say, Massachusetts. More conservative values tend to win in the south regardless of the party affiliation.


    • STOP the 20 False Rmoney Delegates from Puerto Rico — to decide which Republican gets the Nomination to run in the GENERAL ELECTION!

      “…Residents of Puerto Rico and other U.S. territories do not have voting representation in the United States Congress, and are not entitled to electoral votes for President….”

      Also, add to the above —

      “….the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam, are not allowed to choose electors in U.S. presidential elections or elect voting members of the U.S. Congress.”

      Take some more of Rmoney’s Shills off the Tampa convention!

      Any Lawyers interested in Justice — post here your contact info!

      • Billy Malone

        True. So it’s up to the PEOPLE to throw Obama the ultimate curve ball and have Ron Paul stand-in and pinch-hit for Mitt Romney.

    • Yes, but the weakest of all the GOP candidates to run against Obama. Please if you are for Mitt, tell us why he is better than Obama based on his record, not about his lip service.

      • Because he will reverse the business roadblocks, reverse Obamacare, won’t give everything to the unions, isn’t a Socialist like Obama and is not a Isolationist like Ron Paul.

        • R U 4 Real??? Setting up roadblocks on business is what made the guy rich. Romney is the Father or Obamacare, he is not going to turn on his son. As for the unions, no need to give them anything after he closes all the tax loopholes like he did in Ma., there is no business left in the state as they moved out. Socialist……Romneycare……real close. Isolationist, I’ll give you that as he wants to start yet another war and hire another 100,000 government employees to make sure, What we say goes in every foreign country.

          • Wow, this just shows how much about Romney you don’t know. Do some research and just don’t listen to the media.

            ROMNEY 2012!

            • Hey Buckeye, clue us in………..tell me where I have it wrong, Romney fathered and will father a pack of whores.

          • Buckeye

            Wow, I think it’s the other way around. Billy Malone is absolutely correct. Obama’s Policies are NO DIFFERENT than Romney’s Policies.

            Wars? Neo-Con, Neo-Con, and more Neo-Con. All the GOP and Romney want to do is take these same Neo-Con Policies and make them “more Republican”.

            Healthcare? Romneycare = Obamacare = Socialist/Fascist

            Business? More Bailouts for the Banks = More Debt Ceiling Increases from Congress = More Crony Capitalism as State and Corporate Powers “merge” (Fascism) = More Special Interest and Corporate “Lobbying” for the “almighty” Taxpayer Dollars – which will inevitably translate into LESS Jobs, MORE Foreclosures and an ever shrinking Dollar.

            When are you going to learn? It’s always a vicious cycle between the Democrats and the Republicans, but they are both the same in every way (except on some minor Social Issues). Perhaps YOU should do some research on HOW Government “works” in relation to the Economy and Jobs. For Instance: Government Spending vs. Job Creation. For every $2.50 the Government Spends – $1.00 is added to the Economy. Not a very fair Return on Investment for the American Taxpayer, if you ask me.

            NOTHING will Change because Obama and Romney are absolutely Identical.

            RON PAUL 2012!!!

            • Oh I think we are going to see a change any way you look at it. This bubble is either going to break and thing will get ugly or it’s going to get deflated. 16 trillion and counting just can’t go on forever.

    • Really go to youtube and look up romney. You will not find an unbiased media station anywhere. Romney is obama cloned. Please do ur homework before you vote! RP2012

      • Just heard on Fox about the huge number of potential voters who know nothing about Romney.

  1. Worth noting is that Rmoney is NOWHERE NEAR to 450 Confirmed Delegates (of the needed 1144)!

    2012 Delegate Tracker by what is optimistic for the Mitt:

    Romney: 453
    Ron Paul: 168

    This optimism is based on the fraudulent wins by the Mitt’s in-pocket-GOP — which are now challenged in Grand Jury!

    Arizona, Oklahoma, and other States — expect the end result to be a big loss for Perfidy Mitt and a BIG GAIN for Honest Paul!

    Also, according the the GOP’s/RNC’s interpretation, being cast in PUBLISHED writing by their OWN LEGAL staff, Rule #38 DECLARES (in short): “NO delegates are bound…but can vote their Conscience”!

    Meaning — Rmoney may just have ZERO confirmed delegates!

    No wonder His Presumptiveness is cheating Left-and-Right-and-Up-and-Down all over the United States!

  2. Paul-endorsed congressional candidate Thomas Massie won the Republican nomination for his race in Kentucky. Massie wants to slash the debt, cut federal departments,audit the Fed, supports a non-interventionist foreign policy.
    Ron Paul will win in 2012.

    • Interesting state Ky: Rated last place for intelligence, but has the number 1 high school in the nation.

  3. WHAT did I tell you would be Ron Paul’s vote percentage?

    That’s right… I wrote about 12%, which is what he got.

    Am I psychic or am I just observant of the previous vote number scams?

    YOU decide.

    Want me to tell you Texas and Cali’s numbers?

      • Billy Malone — heard today that the MA ballots were “thrown out”. Anyone know exactly what is going on there?

        • Only know what I read: The Massachusetts GOP has indicated that they intend to throw out provisional ballots cast by legally registered Republicans during the April primary.

    • Meeman — it’s easy to predict the exact outcome when the game is scientifically rigged….

      (Here is mine, post yours, so we compare afterwards).

      Texas — if a real count is made: Ron Paul 62%; the already pre-programmed electronic result: Ron Paul 17.3%


  4. R12DC claims…

    Romney – 541
    Ron Paul – 186

    That’s from the ‘thereal2012delegatecount’ website

    A bit different to the 453 and 168 numbers here, and hugely different to the MSM theoretical projections. So counting numbers didn’t make it across the Atlantic. Explains the financial crisis. LOL

  5. I see they’ve changed their numbers here now, to the ones I mentioned a few hours ago.

    Keeping it honest. lol

  6. Infowars? Alex Jones?

    There is a war on for your mind?

    Since when was my mind anyone’s prize?

    I am free, not a prize trophy. If Alex Jones hates corporations so much then why is he using their created technology? Ironic?

    Alex Jones is part of the problem. He just tries to make you think he’s part of the solution. I could explain but I won’t. LOL

    • Meeman — so a Nay from you.

      Haven’t heard much about him, but someone posted this as a great boon, so I figured I’ll ask the people I respect here for their take.

      So far 2 Nays from another site, plus yours here.

      Nay count — 3

    • Meeman

      That statement about Alex Jones using corporate technology is nonsensical. I would expect that kind of statement to come from Idiots like Rush Limbaugh or FOX News when they vilify OWS. If you’re still listening to Rush or watching FOX News. Turn it off – it will only make you Stupid!

      Alex Jones despises “Corporatocracy” – and so do I. Living under a Corporatocracy is nothing to make light of. They serve ONLY themselves. For Instance – “Bailouts”, during the U.S. Financial Crisis have only “benefited” the Corporatocracy, with CEO’s paying themselves outrageous bonuses, while the average American loses their jobs and homes. All this has ZERO to do with what a Consumer uses (including Alex Jones). This “method of borrowing” (Bailouts) against the well-being of a country’s citizens merely serves to increase the POWER of the central banks (The FED), the IMF and corporate CEOs. Our Nation was never founded by “Corporations”. Instead, it was founded by hard-working citizens working together to form commerce and trade. The Corporations ruined what we used to be and NOW LOOK what we face as a Nation. More and More Debt and Bailouts.

  7. If Ron Paul is actually winning why did he announce he won’t be spending any more money considering he has all you die hard supporters donating?

    He is very good at fund raising so why would he pull back?

    Maybe he has realized the obvious. I never said he was dumb but only an Isolationist.

    Also some have you have claimed his is not an Isolationist. Maybe you should ask him.

    • *Updated* Massachusetts GOP Denies The Will Of The People; Rules Provisional Ballots Won’t Be Counted


      The Massachusetts GOP has indicated that they intend to throw out provisional ballots cast by legally registered Republicans during the April 28th state wide caucus.…

      The party printed these ballots, gave very precise and lengthy instructions on how they would be handled, and now they are throwing these votes away. Most likely these votes would have a positive effect on the Liberty candidates, so it is in their best interest to throw out these ballots. Some of the voters effected by this spent over 5 hours to cast their votes, only to see them thrown away.


    • *Updated* Massachusetts GOP Denies The Will Of The People; Rules Provisional Ballots Won’t Be Counted


      The Massachusetts GOP has indicated that they intend to throw out provisional ballots cast by legally registered Republicans during the April 28th state wide caucus.…

      The party printed these ballots, gave very precise and lengthy instructions on how they would be handled, and now they are throwing these votes away. Most likely these votes would have a positive effect on the Liberty candidates, so it is in their best interest to throw out these ballots. Some of the voters effected by this spent over 5 hours to cast their votes, only to see them thrown away.

      • They managed to delete this link!

        Here is the original text!

        Multiple sources, with direct knowledge of the proceedings of the Massachusetts Republican Party allocation committee, have confirmed that General Counsel Vincent DeVito has ruled that provisional ballots will not be counted when determining caucus results.

        The situation arose, according to the sources, when provisional ballots were made available at caucuses without being called for in the rules. The rules for delegate selection can be viewed here (PDF). Since there is no call for the provisional ballots in the rules, it is left up to the General Counsel per rule 4.16 to determine if they should be allowed.

        4.16 In the event of any ambiguities, inconsistencies, or unforeseen circumstances, this Plan shall be interpreted and construed by the State Committee General Counsel, whose interpretation and construction shall be final and binding when made in accordance with applicable legal rules, laws, and regulations.

        He has ruled, according to these sources, that the ballots will not be opened nor counted. In addition he has ruled that since they cannot be counted, any challenge based upon them are not germane, and will not be heard by the allocation committee at their meeting scheduled for next week.

        Letters have been drafted and will be sent to those making challenges based on provisional ballots to that effect. They should be arriving in mail boxes over the next few days.

        this link may be working for the time being….

    • Romney wants Imperialism (American soldiers in foreign countries). Ron Paul wants business men as trading partners from and in foreign countries and here in America.

      • Billy Malone — trying to reason with Timmy…?

        Just post: The children’s hour is over, now go do your homework finger-painting….

        • And when the debate starts you quite. At least Billy is not a hit and run and will have an honest debate. BTW I am 57 and you have not answered any of the questions asked earlier. You say things to provoke the people who challenge you candidate and now want to attack Billy for having the guts to debate. You are sounding a lot like an angry liberal.

          If Ron Paul is actually winning why did he announce he won’t be spending any more money considering he has all you die hard supporters donating?

          He is very good at fund raising so why would he pull back?

          Maybe he has realized the obvious. I never said he was dumb but only an Isolationist.

          Also some have you have claimed his is not an Isolationist. Maybe you should ask him.

          • Since the beginning of the race, the Paul campaign has focused on getting delegates rather than coming first in the popular vote. As more candidates drop out of the race, final delegate counts are slowly revealed for the states where delegates aren’t winner-take-all or proportionately allocated. Ron Paul is seen to pick up significantly more delegates than originally predicted, being at least 50% for Washington, Minnesota, and Iowa. Since most delegate counts are not known at this point, Paul has vowed to stay in the race.[107][108]

            Paul has had a strong showing in Romney’s home state, Massachusetts, getting the majority of delegates there.[109] Also, he has won a majority of delegates from Louisiana.[110] Paul also managed a delegate win in Nevada, with 88% of delegates supporting him.

            • Billy Malone

              Even in the Winner-Take-All States, I believe there is Voter Fraud and Shenanigans taking place behind the scenes on the part of the GOP and the Romney Campaign. I live in New York (Winner Take All). A Total of 19 people showed up to vote at the GOP Primary in April. 19! and I was one of them.

              In March, Romney had ZERO support at the Tea Party Caucus. His Campaign Table was completely empty and nobody showed up to speak on behalf of the guy. Meanwhile, down the road in Ithaca, NY – Ron Paul was speaking to THOUSANDS of people.

              Just wait till the GOP Convention. The Ron Paul “Festival” being held for the 3 days before the Convention will DWARF the size and scope of ANY Romney Coronation that the GOP “Establishment” thinks they can muster. The only question – Will the Media cover it?

            • Yeah but Ross Perot turned out big crowds too. I have been told that a guy by the name of George Wallace could pack them in too. Things haven’t gotten all that bad in Greece as yet as the property values are still pretty high. Americans like the idea of might being right and what we say goes all over the world.

    • Good News………Ah, my GF just tossed me out when she found out my house I sold In Michigan was on the water not under water. (She was under the impression we’d get married when I can into some money)

      • Pay attention to this:

        “He (Vincent DeVito) has ruled, according to these sources, that the ballots will not be opened nor counted. In addition he has ruled that since they cannot be counted, any challenge based upon them are not germane, and will not be heard by the allocation committee at their meeting scheduled for next week.”

        Massachusetts a Banana Republic…anyone?

  8. Ron Paul to WIN — if All national Delegates comprehend the below!

    No States’ Laws CAN Force ANY delegate/s to vote AGAINST THEIR CONSCIENCE at the National Convention Election!

    Meaning — ALL delegates are NOT Bound by any RNC dictates or State laws pertaining to the contrary!

    Therefore, ALL National Delegates from ALL States CAN abstain from voting in round one — meaning, The Mitt will not get an automatic win! Then, the REAL PEOPLE can decide in round two, or three, or four — who is Best for our Country!

    Here is WHY:

    1) National Elections are subject to Federal Election Laws (which usually supersede ANY-and-ALL State Election laws). The GOP’s states’ rules END the MOMENT the elected national delegates enter the National Convention — at this point only US Election Laws become VALID.

    2) RNC Rule #38 interpretation precludes ANY State from FORCING any delegate AT THE NATIONAL CONVENTION to vote according to the majority’s choice — but clearly identifies that each-and-all delegates are FREE AGENTS, allowed to vote their Conscience!

    3) No State can pass a legitimate law that Obfuscates a Citizen’s (delegate’s in this case) Right to vote his/her Conscience, that COULD WITHSTAND a Grand Jury Challenge!

    In Conclusion:

    To ALL National Delegates: Do not pay the SLIGHTEST attention to the perfidious RNC propaganda (“vote like we tell you or else!”)— since these are just empty threats — but instead, VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE!

    If the above is not conclusive evidence — it most certainly casts REASONABLE DOUBT (which is all one needs to win innocence in a Court of Law)!

    Why do you think Massachusetts GOP asked for all delegates to sign an affidavit they’ll commit to vote for Mitt in the first round (in a State That has a “Law” giving all to the winner)…unless they KNEW it could not be enforced?!

    • and any delegates that don’t vote as the people want are not for democracy. At least not on the first ballot.

      • The Main Stream Media (MSM) has been salivating at the bit to announce that the Mitt has finally “won” 1144 delegates, and will soon burst with these “news” (disregarding the fact that their numbers are far, far from being true).

        In anticipating such perfidious headlines, how do we counter?

        Also, what would be the aftermath after the MSM shortly declares the Mitt a “winner” — would this affect Mitt’s Muttons sufficiently, so they stay at home and not bother to vote for him?

        To the meritorious posters here, please, post your take.

      • Not so as there has always been the band wagon effect once the magic number is reached. They will all vote for the winner.

  9. Next week is the week that I been waiting for. It is the week the Ron Paul will get blown out in his home state of Texas. Can’t wait for that! Unlike you people I am not a big Ron Paul supporter, he should have been the first one to drop out of the race.

      • A smart move on Romney’s part for sure. Too bad Hillary didn’t do the same and refuse to even campaign. Just go with “You know what it was like when the Clintons were in the White House”.

    • Logan Matthew –so you want this one below instead…?

      *Mitt Romney, American Parasite*

      It explains how Bain Capital worked. They would buy SUCCESSFUL companies, with little down, borrowed huge amounts, saddling them with crushing debt, refused to continue equipment purchases or maintenance. Then they would pay themselves huge “management” fees.

      Some notable excerpts:

      “Romney is not a vulture capitalist, as Rick Perry says, since vultures eat dead carcasses,” notes Josh Kosman, who has written about the private equity business for 15 years. He’s “more of a parasitic capitalist, since he destroys profitable businesses.” (The host must be healthy enough to be force-fed all that debt, then slowly bled to death…until the parasites drain all the wealth for themselves).

      “When Bain was about to buy a company, its partners would hold a meeting. “He said that about half the time [they] would talk about cutting workers,” Kosman says. “They would never talk about adding workers. He said that job growth was never part of the plan.” That claim was buttressed by the Associated Press, which studied 45 companies bought by Bain during Romney’s first decade. It found that 4,000 workers lost their jobs. The real figure is likely thousands higher, since the analysis didn’t account for bankruptcies and factory and store closings.

      “The Armco plant closing involved more than the torching of 750 jobs, Morrow says. Contractors and suppliers collapsed. Workers’ children and widows lost health care and pension benefits. And while Bain received millions in tax breaks—paid for by the very people left holding the bag—Romney walked away millions richer.”

      A must read (long) article recommended to all!

      Share it!

      • Look, everything Bain did was legal but it took some brains to put it all together. I think it’s great Mitt and his pals were able to put themselves in such a position to gain such wealth. It’s because of the laws and regulations the elected officials created that made all this possible. And it’s only fair that the people who elected these shysters get the shaft as they did. It also appears they are indeed thirsty for more. Go Mitt, hit them again only harder this time.

    • No, that isn’t what is going to happen so long as he money holds out. The first man out should have been Romney as his track record offers little in the way of hope. What you fail to see is that Romney left Bain in 1999. At that point he had the 25 years of business experience he say qualifies him to run the country. Had he left Bain in 2010 to run for Prez, I would have give him serious thought. But that isn’t what happened. He ran for governor of Ma and won, leaving behind a dismal, at best, record. His 25 years of experience proved worthless in running Ma as he finished 47 out of 50 in job creation and his closing tax loop holes did little or nothing in bringing in new business to Ma. You are backing a proven loser.

    • Really ? ? ? Okay …………..underwater means you owe a lot more than it is worth (meaning I get no money). As the house was indeed on the water, and paid up, I received a 5 figure check. Shall I go on ??? 4 years out of my life gone, sob, sob.

  10. CNN, FOX and MSNBC: Invite Ron Paul and Mitt Romney to a GOP Debate!

    Sign this petition NOW (just a few more signatures to reach the needed 2500)!

    (There are only two candidates left and we haven’t heard any new policy positions since the last debate. Mitt Romney cannot be given a free ride to the convention. Lets make sure all the candidates’ positions are heard loud and clear.)

  11. Billy

    Thank you for that. NOT what I thought you meant. Not a term used here to refer to those circumstances. I truly wondered if it were a house-boat, a canal-boat or a lake-side house.

    Confusion cleared. LOL

    • No problem, I tend to forget that the posters don’t all live next door to me. I have some British friends that I wouldn’t even tell that story to as they just don’t have any sense of humor at all, even if they knew what under water meant, which I doubt.

    • Mitt Romney Resigns!

      “Mitt Romney announced today (place date) he will no longer seek the Republican nomination. Instead, he pledged his full support to Dr. Ron Paul, who he trusts implicitly to be the only viable candidate to defeat Barrack Obama,” said a Romney spokesperson.

      Mr. Romney’s spokesperson continued saying, ” Mr. Romney is making the ultimate sacrifice, for the good of the Nation, so wants to be remembered as the one that helped America be rid of Obama…as such Mr. Romney is a true patriot…”.

      Questioned as to the real reasons Mitt Romney quit — the spokesperson said, “He only wants to be remembered as the Patriot that Saved America… that is his only reason”….and “…none of the below were a factor in his decision”…as claimed:

      “That so many videos have been taped showing fraud on his behalf that TV mini-series could be made running for weeks,
      Or, that he can’t get 100 people to attend his meetings, while Ron Paul gathers in the several thousands,
      Or, that he has broken rule #11 in collusion with the GOP, so he is about to be removed from many states ballots,
      Or, that his shadowy party in Nevada, is further grounds for his removal as a GOP candidate,
      Or, that he cannot garner enough delegates with all the cheating don on his behalf so far,
      Or, that All National Delegates are NOT bound according to rule #38, and US election law, in Tampa,
      Or, that his eventual loss to Ron Paul in Tampa will make him a national joke,
      Or, that even if manages to CHEAT his way out of Tampa, his guaranteed loss to Obama will make him an even Bigger Joke…”.

      No, none of these are factors, according to Mitt Romney’s spokesperson — “Mr. Romney quit the race today because he is a Patriot!”

      And I agree, Mitt did the right thing — and we shall build monuments and name schools after him!

      Pass it on! Hopefully someone with brains in Mitt’s camp will see this syllogism and force it upon him (for his own good)!

      • And let them dumb sheep wander off into some other pen to be fleeced???? I don’t think so

  12. Surfisher

    Unfortunately, Mitt won’t resign. His bankster/Wall St. backers have too much invested in his losing to Obama to allow him to resign and watch Ron Paul wipe the proverbial floor with Obama’s obvious lack of moral aptitude towards the Constitution, the Rights of the Individual, and the rules of war.

    Oh, well…

    Still… looking forward to Texas’s results. That should prove interesting! LOL

    • I don’t think too many people are interested in the Constitution any more as addressing it may mean addressing the 16 trillion dollar debt.

  13. Billy

    It’s not a real debt. It was produced out of thin air, with made-up fantasy interest on it, and spent or given away by military personnel, military sub-contractors, and governmental and bankster profiteers.

    They made it and they spent it. Let them pay it back!

    If your neighbour built a house, sold it then gave the money away, would you pay for him to have it back by re-buying it, at interest?

    That’s what’s happened with this imaginary debt/control fantasy.

    Just because some private bank has printed on paper and some self-indulgent people in D.C. have disposed of it, doesn’t mean you have to pay it back, with interest. Are you mad? Do you work for your government or do they work for you?

    They work for their bankster/control overlords and themselves and want you to foot the bill. Sounds like a weird drug-rehab scenario.

    Get off the crack. Make them pay it back!

      • I don’t place any blame on those that take it, it’s those that give it. Who put the kid in the candy store to begin with? Those are the people that have to get the kid out because he ain’t coming out by himself and it ain’t gunna be easy.

        Ron Paul can and will get the kid out for sure. Romney is looking to find the kid a bigger store

    • I’ve heard a lot of interesting stories anout how this debt is all going to end and most are not pretty for those that have worked and saved the most. Looked what happened to those who invested in GM. The bond holders are gettin back 30 cents on the dollar at best while the shysters who put the package together ash for and received an increase in their hourly wage from $500 to $900 because it was so difficult. Every hour it took to resolve meant the bond holders got less and less. No, I didn’t own a dines worth but I know a widow who is now working at Walmart because her late husband bet the farm on GM bonds.

  14. Funny,
    All this time and the RP Cult has not changed its tactics!
    First – Bring up statistics that are difficult if not impossible to substantiate.
    Second – Pull up links to badly scripted, poorly prepared UTube videos that leave out VERY important clips. (a vocal minority can STOP the democratic process by repeatedly calling for vote counts until all the opposition is forced to go home and then they can claim victory)
    Third – Name calling. Call them all sheep. Call them all idiots. Pound on unimportant trivia as if it were earthshaking and immediately get back to the deification of Doctor Ron!
    Fourth – Pat each other on their backs for being so smart.
    I think you are all very correct about one thing: Ron Paul should never have been a Republican. From the start he was a libertarian and should run as a third party candidate.
    I think ron paul should stop trying to commandeer the Republican nomination. Most true Republicans are not Tea Party extremists and would reject him if he actually won the Republican nomination.
    Lets face it. Ron Paul was never in it to win. He never ran the race to win. Only to obstruct. And his followers are fanatics who see vindication in watermellon slices and Utube clips. I personally have waited in vain for the promised legal action that would be logical if any of the “incriminating” clips could be substantiated.
    It is a very calculated effort to squash anyone who does not have the stomach to weather vicious and personal attacks to avoid real discourse.
    I have researched the claims of the vitriolic pundits only to find dead ends. And I mean that any claim, statistic or evidence that paper trails back to a Ron Paul Support website is suspect. Surprisingly (?) almost all of them do!
    Lets see what these Holy Ron disciples can do in court.
    @Billy Malone, have a drink. then join AA. You have been exposed!
    @Meeman, Get a clue! How can you “know” so much about such complex matters and not have any idea about the mechanics of the economic collaps?
    @Surfisher, lets see you substantiate your statements without resorting to Utube. This is the whole of your political education. And your childlike belief in the veracity of the videos is at best pitiful and at worst criminal.
    Of course some of you Ron Paul Disciples claim that there is a vast conspiracy. Maybe the Catholics, the Jews or the Blacks. Or all of them together! Hey! I spoke to a man who was convinced that the Jews conspired to have millions of their own people killed in world war II in order to have greater command of the world today. Of course there is no proof. The conspirators have eliminated the evidence.
    * For the record. I do not agree with everything Romney stands for. But I like the respect that his supporters show to those with different views. I don’t like the denigration shown to Romney, Gingrich and Santorum supporters that is continually shown by Ron Paul supporters.
    If I had a perfect candidate he would have the international stand of Romney, the fiscal approach of Paul and the immigration approach of Gingrich. Mix them together with the ability to get people of different beliefs to work together and voila! But we don’t have that. What we have is a Republican candidate that has shown he learns well from past defeats and knows how to make the system work for him. And a crybaby perfectionist on the other side that thinks that political terrorism is a valid approach to reverting a living growing government system to an archaic past that was found wanting even immediately after it was written!
    * I like some of Ron Paul’s ideas. Especially the domestic economics. But I don’t think he would be able to convince democrat and Republican elected officials to work together. Therefore he would be a one shot president if he were elected. He would get one item bullied through the congress before everyone in the congress that sided with him was voted out and he was left crying that the opposition was impeding progress. Sound familiar?

      • @Billy I agree with half of what you said.
        I don’t agree that Ron Paul has the muscle to get the kid out of the candy store and I don’t think he can get enough cooperation from congress to get the job done. Nevertheless, as one of the most logical of the RP disciples I give you props for your analysis.

        • What politician can or has ever done all he has promised? I just feel he can bring the troops home from a good many of the 126+ countries they are now in. Few will miss the 5 government agencies he would shut down.

          That’s the two big reasons I find people will not support RP. I get answers like, “Will if they shut down the Dept of Education where will I send my kids to school?” Or, “Will maybe we don’t need troops in 126 countries but we need troops in most of them”.

          Haven’t heard anyone say that they don’t like RP because of the people that support him though with the exception of you.

    • GoodOlBoy — in other words you want Rmoney to win so he can lose to Obama.

      Nice sophisms, though….

      • @Surfisher aka utube boy,
        Since you love putting words into other peoples’ mouths you won’t mind I put a few into yours:
        You want a man who could not put together a campaign to defeat Romney to run against the master of criminal campaigning. In other words you think that a man who could not even get the people who claim to support him to give one dollar each will somehow raise enough money to defeat a man raised on chicago election tactics.
        Not only is Obama hoping Ron Paul steals the election, I think he planted you to help.

        • @ GoodOlBoy —

          Keep plugging for Mitt, so your BO can win.

          Hey, with the help of such as you, it may just come true — another four years of BO (to end our nation).

    • @GoodOlBoy

      What’s really Funny is that you refer to Ron Paul supporters as a “Cult”. Only a Brain-Washed Neo-Con would make this kind of statement – within a statement. Instead of seriously looking at the Candidate’s Position on the Issues, all we get from you is the Rush Limbaugh/FOX News “Talking Points” without any discussion on the Issues. Only a Neo-Con would begin his statement with Name-Calling (Cult) – then proceed to blame the other side for calling names. LOL

      What’s even more Hilarious is that you are quick to dismiss any Voter Fraud, Delegate Fraud or Cheating taking place at the GOP Caucuses and Primaries. You even mention the “Democratic Process” to make your point. LOL.
      So, if I read your statement correctly – Calling for Vote Counts is NOT Democratic and doesn’t count – ONLY the Vote Count which makes Mitt Romney the Nominee counts. LOL. If the Vote Count puts Romney as the Nominee, why would it matter from count to count? Reason: Romney is NOT the People’s Choice, but he’s the “Establishment’s” Choice.

      This one is great. Ron Paul should not run as a Republican because he’s a Libertarian. ROFL! Maybe Romney shouldn’t run as a Republican either. He should run as a Liberal or Moderate or a Democrat for that matter. From his track record, he certainly doesn’t have a “Conservative” Record. LOL. But all that doesn’t matter. Right? Just so long as FOX News or Rush Limbaugh says “It’s all about beating Obama” ROFL! You sure do make John McCain PROUD, GoodOlBoy. LOL! If Romney is the GOP Nominee, he will take his Place in History next to John McCain as the next GOP Nominee who wasn’t Conservative enough to get Elected – and that’s what we’ll hear from you, Rush Limbaugh and FOX News all the way till the next Election. LOL! Baaahhh!

      Ignorance is definitely Bliss – and memories are truly bound to be Lost. You say that Ron Paul has never been in it to win it. Really? Remember back to the debates? Remember how Ron Paul was only given 89 seconds to answer questions during the debates? Remember how he was given the LEAST amount of time to answer questions and Romney was given the MOST? Why would this be done? Come on. Think about it. I know you can do it. Empathize! OK then. Try this one. What would a Jury think of the Accused if the Judge and the Prosecuting Attorney “collaborated” to only give the Defense Attorney 89 seconds to defend his Client, while the Judge “purposefully” allowed the Prosecuting Attorney to have as much time as he wanted? Fair or Unfair?

      You’ve been personally waiting in Vain for Legal action to be taken regarding Fraud and Cheating? I, too, have been personally waiting in Vain for the Media to report on it. But alas – the “squashing” effect, by the Media, is not to say anything that will upset the applecart. The sad truth is that they’ll only tell you what they feel you should know. I thought you’d figure that one out by now, LOL. But – as you began to vilify the “Holy Disciples” of Ron Paul in your statement, I come to realize that you look at the Media as the “Gospel”. UTube and Alternative Media are just not credible according to you – which says you’ll believe anything that you’re told by the “Gospel” Givers. Nevermind the HUGE CROWDS Ron Paul Draws and how he is going up against Wall Street Corporate Money in the MILLIONS of Dollars – just so the People’s Voices could be drowned out. The Media won’t report this – so it must not be important. Right? Riiiiight! LOL.

      Now the “kicker”. You say you like Ron Paul’s Ideas – especially Domestic. Question: What are they? And what Romney Domestic Ideas do you like? Romneycare? Pro-Abortion or Pro-Life? Student Loan Debt? Stimulus? Bailouts? Immigration? NDAA? Government Involvement in our Daily Lives? Please enlighten us why you think Romney is best rather than “Cult Leader”, Ron Paul? LOL

      • DT — wasting your time on this one.

        It is a shill that posts dead dogma and defunct propaganda…in order to get his boss reelected.

        • Some truth there for sure. Sure seems hard to get an answer as to why they like their candidate if he is other than Ron Paul.

          • Answer is two part.
            1. RP supporters don’t want reasons they want propaganda. When someone says Romney gets things done they don’t respond with Ron Paul got things done they respond with Romney didn’t do it right.
            How did Ron Paul do it? He did not.
            2. When a RP supporter says something in fun it is taken as a great post but heaven forbid a Romney supporter does the same. He’ll get roasted.
            3. Any time I say conservative you hear extreme right. Any time I say compassionate you hear liberal and Obama underling. None of that is fair. and since RP supporters on this blog now outnumber anyone else the true discussion has left the blog. All thats left is patting each other on the back for your marvelous posts and decry the system that still cheats them out of their just deserts.
            **Make no mistake. I did post my views on earlier blogs. And the treatment I received was uncalled for, disrespectful and shot full of misquotes. Remember this: if RP supporters numbered only 1/3 of the Republican party and they each gave $1 to the campaign then RP would have more than enough money to keep the wheels on the cart.
            My problem with Ron Paul is that he can’t get the job done. Jimmy Carter had a foreign policy that failed miserably but he had an idea for economic reform that would have prevented our current crisis. He could not get it done. And I welcome any post that shows that RP would be able to get cooperation from both sides of the aisle (or either side of the aisle) for any of his proposed ideas. Oh, and no Utube. please. that stuff is as real as area 51.

            • The President doesn’t need congress to bring the troops home any more than he needs congress to shut down 5 government do nothing agencies, That is real cost cutting and job creation.

              Romney had 25 years of business experience when he became governor of Ma. He came in 47 out of 50 in job creation and extracted more money from the taxpayers by increases the cost of government services and increasing business taxes business paid.

              If I’m wrong, please show me.

        • Another Hit and Run. Won’t have a true debate. You folks do realize that Paul lost his home state.

          In fact Santorum almost beat him for second.

          You folks say the rest of us are out of touch.

          A Isolationist in the White House would be a disaster. Look at how bad the Semi Isolationist Obama has done in Syria and you want to put a full blown Isolationist.

          Surfisher can’t debate and wants to end debate.

          Look at the popular vote. Romney has the nomination. He has 10 times the votes. Ron Paul might be able to take Newt for 3rd place.

          The only thing that is more out of touch with reality than Ron Paul is his supporters.

          • Yeah Tim, The Greeks thought they knew what reality was too and they will soon find out, the hard way. Look most of us RP supporters are just like RP in that we surely hope we are wrong. But what happens if we are right and more of the same just doesn’t cut it. Think we can spend our way out of this mess, the Greeks tried it as did the USSR. Okay maybe there is a first time for everything and expanding the government with increased debt can do it but the RP supporters just don’t think so.

      • @GoodOlBoy

        I know you Neocons HATE any kind of criticism on your Foreign Policy, but perhaps you should listen to what the rest of the World says about the United States “Video Game Style” Drone attacks against the innocent civilians in their Countries. I’m sure your buddy, John McCain, is whispering in Mitt Romney’s ear to just “Go Along”.

        Bunch of thugs and criminals rule the US

        • @DT,
          Still with the name calling?
          Still with the corruption of what I stand for?
          Really? Who told you what I stand for in regards to foreign policy?
          I never did. In seven months of blogs I did not ever mention what I believe is the correct approach towards Iran, Iraq, Libya, China or Russia.
          I would have stated that I thought building a wall to keep out Mexicans was similar to East Berlin building a wall to keep in East Berliners from leaving. I would have stated that Ron Paul is correct in so far as US policy aggrivates Tyranical states like Iran and North Korea. I do not support hands off policies. Especially when it concerns piracy, terrorism and human rights attrocities. Ask me where I stand on human trafficking. Where do I stand on copyright infringement. Where do I stand on free trade agreements.
          You never did. And now I don’t care to share. You self agrandized elitist. You don’t want discourse. You want dictatorship by minority.

          • America, 911 of the world to call, Go Mitt, we can “save the world from any and all evil but you may need a few more than the 100,000 new troops you have promised.

      • @DT,
        You are relatively new to this blog. but you talk like the other rp fanatics. stick to the message. anyone who does not agree with ‘us’ is a stupid, naive sheep incapable of responding to our hateful diatribes.
        AND THEN answer trivia with elaborate arguments and substantiate with THE MOST UNRELIABLE FORMAT IN THE INTERNET!
        I waited in vain NOT because the media is hiding the truth but because the rp organization is not able to bring the matter to a court of law! No charges levied. No citizen complaint. No lawsuit filed. NOTHING!
        All I get are badly staged Utube presentations. And I could get twelve people to say on video that Ron Paul was born in china. If I posted that on UTUBE would that be evidence?
        And then I get crybaby accounts of how the all powerful media keeps Ron Paul down. Again I say: if Ron Paul can’t beat Romney he does not stand a chance against Obama. If you think Romney cheated him out of delegates then remember the last election and tell me how he will stop Obama from doing that to him?
        Ahh yes I admit I support some of Ron Pauls positions especially his domestic positions that involve taking the pork out of politics and spending only what we collect. I support that. other things too. but you chose to use that as a tool to offend me rather than find a common ground that we could use to work toward support a winning combination. NO you will only accept purity. Only perfection. Anyone else need not expect respect.
        Seems I’ve seen your style before. Sadly I’m not willing to drudge through all the blogs preceeding this one to identify you.
        It is not Ron Paul’s position that turns me away from him. Its followers like you who choose deliberately to ignore my complaint and criticize my choice not to agree.
        Democracy? You don’t know the meaning of the word.

        • I’m beginning to think these folks have real issues. They can’t debate facts. They make up there own. They think Ron Paul can still win when he is in last place.

          While it is possible that some of there votes were stolen, that is a reason to take them to court and not do a go-around and bypass democracy. The real issue is that we should go to a popular vote instead of the electoral vote we have now.

          GoodOlBoy you should notice that Billy Malone has responded with racist comments and Surfisher has posted anti police rants calling them Dogs. Which might be a clue as to why they think Isolation is great.

          Every Tom, Dick and Osama would really have a nice day if Isolation ever became the norm in America.

          What is wrong is the way we fight our wars. The Paul folks keep bring up invading countries which is stupid and I would agree with them. We should take out the dictators that kill there own people because we need to. They are bullies. When you don’t you get a Hitler. But we don’t need send in the troops to do it.

          • Yes, but many must die so a few may become rich, as nothing to do with taking out a dictator. Didn’t your mother read you Chicken Little when you were a kid?

  15. GoodOlBoy

    How much is Obomney paying you to scope through sites like this and write your BS? Is it worth your soul? 30 pieces of silver? Is that all you’re worth? Hope it’s worth it.

      • Billy Malone — I’ll have one, too. LOL

        Don’t feel like wasting time to dissect ALL the illogical STUPIDITIES “GoodOlBoy” made in his diatribe. So here is just one paragraph:

        “@ Surfisher, lets see you substantiate your statements without resorting to Utube (1*).
        This is the whole of your political education (2*).
        And your childlike belief in the veracity of the videos is at best pitiful and at worst criminal(3*)”

        1* — Idiotic to ask me prove something when he disallows eyewitness testimony.

        2* — Lacks any merit since it is his assumption.

        3* — Asinine to call my belief in the veracity of the videos to extend to the “criminal” level.

        Overall, a mixture of diatribe, weak sophism, fallacious claims, tangents going nowhere, lack of any merit — is the totality of his post above.

        My conclusion — ‘GoodOlBoy’ is an Obama plant (trying to get poor Mitt nominated, so his real boss can get reelected)!

        • Not a plant as I’ve dealt with plants on other blogs. They are real professional and come to the point with facts to back them up however biased they may be. Like for Romney they would state something like, as governor Romney balanced the budget after inheriting a huge deficit. He did it without raising taxes and even created a surplus.

          All true but most of us know how he did it. (fees & closing loop holes) Where were the cost savings cuts???? He did it by taking in more from his own taxpayers, not via efficiency or expanding the tax base. No mention of the big accounting error that really shrunk the “huge deficit” he inherited.

          • @Billy, Thanks for your logic.
            If I were a plant I would carefully attack the leader’s argument and do so without any personal anger or impromptu sharing of personal details. That is not my style.
            But I have stated facts in previous blogs and I was called a sheep, a mindless zombie and irrelevant.
            I gave you all carefully researched but not necessarily carefully worded responses. You did not attack the heart of the argument only the grammar of the response.
            @Billy you have probably given the most nearly accademic answers but you mix them in with bouts of drinking and sophomoric humor!
            Since I was given no respect I give no respect. But since you at least read the post and not just pick out two or three word sections to dwell upon I give you props for academics. Still I disagree. and you could if you so chose to do so go back to my previous posts and see why I disagreed and also why I won’t give substance now. Pearls before swine et al.

            • Well, if you have ever been around any big political convention you know there is so much drinking going on that it flows to the streets. That’s where you might find Billy Malone with a protest sign and a drink in his hand given by one of the delegates coming out. If they read the sign, they might say, “I’ll drink to that”, take a sip and hand me their drink.

    • Ahhh @Meeman, HOW original!
      I accused Ron Paul Supporters of the same thing back in January!
      But I give you props for one thing: You stick to the message.
      The message? Ron Paul is messiah. Ron Paul can do all things. Ron Paul ( who’s only claim to this election is the possibility that he can STEAL delegates ) and only Ron Paul can beat Obama!
      The problem is Ron Paul supporters follow his lead: alienate, obfusciate, denigrade.
      You had a lot of substance to attack but your first instinct is insult.
      DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A REPUBLICAN! YOU ARE NOT! At best you are a libertarian and if you were honest you would admit it and not pretend to be a follower of the party of Lincoln.
      Republicans do not pursue tactics of discord: they don’t make loud unsubstantiated claims in order to silence discussion. They do not use hyperbole to extend vaccuous argument to the point that the audience will accept the argument in order to JUST LEAVE.
      Meeman, you do not intimidate me. I have been in and out since the discussion started but I have something to do that keeps me from responding to every frivolous utube attack that is put to me. I work for a living. An occupation that is not 9 to 5 not 8 to 7 but 12hours per day at less than what I pay my workers.
      Meeman. I do not respect you or your cohorts in discord. Your bible is utube and your invincible savior is an old man on his last legs. When you have finally realized that ALL you stand for is bunk PLEASE don’t end yourself. Think of your 99 cats. Who will feed them?
      I’ll deal with others in subsequent replies.

      • GoodOlBoy

        I don’t claim to be Republican, Libertarian or even American.

        Now who’s jumping to conclusions?

        Get off your wobbly soap box before you fall.

      • Sadly there methods have worked. Have you noticed that we are the only non-Paul supporters left. The nuts have taken over the nut house. They are so proud of controlling the debate that they never allowed in the first place.

        • Tim you might go to other political blog sites but you will find they are all pretty much like this one. The Obama supporters are not even listing, and the non RP supporters are going to sit this election out for the most part.

  16. I can see we have a little leftist attempting to cast their little dome of silence over freedom. Ain’t a gonna work this time around. The liars in the leftist Democrat party are going down, this time all the way. Eliminated by a freedom thinking majority.

    • Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for Ron Paul but there are a whole flock of sheep out there that don’t even know who Mitt Romney is but all of them can and will vote.

      • It’s about what Romney is not. He is not an Isolationist which is the last thing we need right now.

        • No Tim, the last thing we need is another war. They played the same song for 18 years during the US support against Vietnam. We lost big time and now you can go there, rent a car, and stay in a nice hotel. In Iraq we won, oh you can go there alright but better bring you flack jacket.

  17. Actually there is truth to that statement. I STILL hate the name calling and the put down of discussion but the statement is true:
    This time around the liberal deception will fail. and it will fail because a majority of involved thinking people WILL vote.
    But if we do not succeed it will be because we can’t stop calling each other names instead of discussing ideas.
    Sorry everyone, I have to get up early to build or rebuild your homes so I will be gone for a while. Seems cutting my salary by quarters has inspired my team to work that much harder. I might even break even this quarter. No thanks to BigO.

  18. CNN are predicting…

    Romney – 69%
    Ron Paul 12%

    Of the Texas vote numbers.(They also include numbers for Santorum and Gingrich)

    Pretty presumptuous of them… or do they ‘know’ something that they’re not telling?

    • Meeman —

      The cute Electronic Voting Machines gave Rmoney the win in Texas …(as it’s being done in all other states).

      Now, let’s wait and see if he can even get 30 delegates out of the 155 total (extrapolating the results when Real People show up)!

      • If this is true why isn’t Paul going to court. I think this might going on. Not really enough to change the overall results but it still might be happening.

        It happened to someone in 2008. I won’t have them blasted here. But they took the state doing it to court.

        • RP invests his campaign money, he doesn’t just spend it like the government does on endless law suits against other branches of government. But then again it’s your money they are spending, not theirs.

    • Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012!

      Here is the difference btwn Perfidy Mitt and Honest Ron Paul:

      On one hand (more apt: underhanded) — the Mitt (who’s only real support is NOT for him, but AGAINST the BO — the usual voting for “the lesser of two evils” mentality) knows he needs to resort to all frauds and crookedness, to have a chance to win the nomination (in order to lose to the BO). These are the forces of the Dark Side.

      On the other hand — there is Light! Ron Paul’s message of what is TRUE is irrefutable. It has ignited the hopes of all good people in our nation (and around the world) that Truth will win out over Lies, Good will trample Evil, Liberty will prevail against Tyranny, Government will bow to the Will of The People (not the other way around as the BO and the Mitt desire), all senseless Wars will be put to an end (we’ll speak softly again, but also carry a big stick), The Law of the Land will be the Original US Constitution (and all the hundreds-of-thousands of OPPRESSIVE Laws, Rules and Regulations passed unconstitutionally will be NEGATED), that the Citizen will be Sovereign AGAIN (and Government will become the Subject), that US Money will have Intrinsic Value AGAIN (not Promissory Notes printed ad hoc by a Private and Corrupted to the CORE Organization: The Feds) thus guaranteeing Prosperity once again…and the list goes on!

      Despite the organized effort by the controlled media (here and abroad) and the nefarious means of our crooked politicians and their hired thugs, The People have embraced the Last American Patriot — Dr. Ron Paul — and the liberty flame that burns within us WILL NEVER be extinguished!

      Our time is NOW (since we’ll reach the Point of No Return if the BO or the Mitt steal our Nation away from US) — We, the REAL AMERICAN PEOPLE, will fight for this cause that is Just and Honorable! You, the Despots in Power NOW, may spill our blood, but unless you kill us all, We, The Real American People, WILL END your reign of tyranny and corruption!

      Ron Paul to WIN — Or America to END 2012!
      (there are no other options!)

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