Thursday night brought us the one and only Vice Presidential debate of the 2012 cycle between Vice President Joe Biden and Congressman Paul Ryan. The debate took place at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky. The moderator was Martha Raddatz, ABC's Chief Foreign Correspondent.
Watch the complete 90 minute video:
Transcript: Full VP Debate Transcript (Updated link to CPD transcript)
Original Air Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012
Report from Fox News:
Paul Ryan opened the vice presidential debate Thursday with tough criticism of the Obama administration over its handling of the Libya terror attack, suggesting it was “projecting weakness” with its response.
“What we are watching on our TV screens is the unraveling of the Obama foreign policy,” Ryan said on the debate stage in Kentucky.Biden was quick to retort: “With all due respect, that’s just a bunch of malarkey,” he said. “This talk about this weakness, I don’t understand what my friend’s talking about.”
After President Obama’s lackluster debate last week, the pressure was on Biden to recapture the momentum – while equally on Ryan to prevent the Obama ticket from blunting Romney’s surge.
With the moderator, ABC News' Martha Raddatz, opening the debate with a question about the Libya strike, which happened a month ago Thursday, Ryan criticized the administration for waiting more than a week after the strike to call it a coordinated terror attack.
“This is becoming more troubling by the day. They first blamed the YouTube video. Now they’re trying to blame the Romney/Ryan ticket for making this an issue,” he said. Ryan was referring to a claim by an Obama aide earlier Thursday that the only reason the attack had entered the political debate was because of Romney’s criticism – a claim Romney rejected.
Vice President Biden was indeed aggressive as the Obama campaign had predicted ahead of time. Congressman Ryan seemed to take the first 10 to 15 minutes to gain his footing but settled in and became a bit more aggressive in response.
The next Presidential Debate between President Obama and Governor Romney is on Tuesday, October 16.
Goethe Behr —
Biden — better known as the Delaware Bidet — is no smarter than a 5th grader.
If he won the "debate" — how smart does that make Ryan…?
Sad state of affairs, when such numbskulls hold high offices (and the people actually vote for such human trash).
Surfisher: You didn't read my post. I was saying it doesn't matter whether he "won." His assignment was to counter the impression that liberals are wimpy. And he was mostly talking to his base, to get them fired up again. That appears to have happened.
Biden did look silly smiling all the time–but Ryan was smirking like an idiot the whole first half, too. Why isn't anyone pointing that out?
Because it's always, "My man won".
Billy: That's ordinarily true, but even immediately after the first debate, most of Obama's supporters said he didn't do well. First time I've ever seen that. Usually, as you say, everybody says their guy won.
That's why Biden's performance was so necessary. For a solid week, the media were droning on about how awful Obama did. His advisors were frustrated, his supporters were demoralized. THAT is why Biden came out swinging–ONLY to boost the troops, and that seems to have been successful.
By the way, I caught a Daily Show on Hulu, in which Jon Stewart spent the whole show saying how badly Obama did. But to illustrate it, he showed several Obama comments back-to-back. BUT, when I saw the clip, I thought I was watching a different debate.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/409405#i0,p9,d0
You only have to watch less than a minute, 3:15 to 4 minute point if you don't have much time.
The only reason Obama "didn't seem to do well" is that he stood motionless–while Romney was jumping around, waving his arms, pointing, and foaming at the mouth.
Yeah he did stand there with his head down for the most part like a kid being corrected by his parents. Hard to believe he had such dumb handlers as to let him come across that way. It's the last debate that counts the most though so my money is still on Obama to win.
Bet he still has those 47% locked up.
Billy: Naw. Romney pulled that number out of his butt, so that he could tell the fat cats why he needs so much money. Total fabrication.
As I noted elsewhere, I think Obama has 12% of the electorate from Blacks and Hispanics who would vote. Other ethnicities seem evenly divided. But he can only count on 13% of the electorate from white men. So he will need about 26% from white women. But women are only half the population, and we meed to remove non-whites, so Obama would have to take white women by about 60%. I don't think he can pull that well anymore (unless Obama can find away to look brilliant in the last two debates).
We have seen consistently that people do not actually vote for what's good for them, so you can't look at who would benefit.
I hear you but money talks even louder and he does have support. Illinois, NY, and Calif are Obama's no matter what.
Billy: Obama will probably take seven of the top ten states, by population. Probably six of the second ten. But that's still not enough.
201 Obama/Biden
Toss Ups
146
Romney/Ryan 191
Biden was rocked and was rude. He was arrogant and he was wrong on his facts. Ryan was up to the task and was interrupted often. He was a gentleman and never acted nervous, pissed or using scare tactics unlike Biden.
Time for the 1 term president to move on as he promised. He failed.
Posted like a true GOP bunny.
Amen, Billy Malone-
Well I'm a RP fan but I never thought he could walk on water.
(Gretchen Carlson)
Biden's approach to disputing Ryan's debate was to bash, sneer, laugh at, and denigrate Ryan and his statements. If being rude and combative is winning, then Biden and the moderator won the debate. Biden continues to show that politically, and socially, he is an ass, full of himself and his pugnacious style of discourse.
A prime example of the peter principle carried to the extreme. The guy couldn't hold a real job and we support his idiocy with our tax dollars!
Nor will he ever have to.
I find it comical that the Romney/Ryan ticket consistently try to paint the economy and jobs as if the country is on the verge of failure. BUSH did this to the country. It's not like Obama can wave a magic wand to reverse it all, end two wars, and stop Iran. Let me just say that I am a small business owner, I make 20% more money now than I did under the Bush Administation. I find it to be very un-american, that the opposing party attempts to paint the the current administration as the cause of the failure of America. In politics, when there is no problem, you have to invent one… Thats how you get votes, that you get elected, scaring the American people.
Nothing motivates people like fear and/or greed. Fear is most always the stronger.
People have the capacity to think for themselves, whether they choose to or not…. Sapiens, we're supposed to be the smart species, right? =\ *le sigh*
Jacque: I think in the new textbook it's changed from "sapiens" to "saps."
=(
Zac, Pete, and Jacque:
I do try to be constructive, but doggonit, English is a second language to Billy, and we have to keep schooling the boy. That's why they call him Hillbilly Malone.
Happen when you spend as much time as I do in Ky. Dumbest state in the nation, no brag, just fact.
I've seen far worse in grammar; but the main point is, at least you aren't an a**hole who can't recognize the difference between his own rights and another person's, right?
Wish someone would tell my GF that
Lol, fair enough? Look at your guys' avatars, ahah. They look like polar opposites. That would be very interesting if your avatar were an accurate representation of you, methinks. Mine is very accurate, I'm a generic white stick figure on a grey backdrop, heheh.
Jacque:
Yeh. Billy and I agree on a lot of things. For instance, we both like to disagree.
Hahaha
On opinion yes but seldom on fact.
Can't drink to that statement at all. Mine is exactly what I looked like back when I had my little red 'vette and my Mooney (airplane)
PRINCIPLES we must stand by!
“A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….” Thomas Jefferson
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security” BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
“When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.” DOROTHY THOMPSON
“Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will.” FREDERICK DOUGLAS
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” —Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing” EDMUND BURKE
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ABRAHAM LINCOLN
Sounds good but then look at what guys like Lincoln did with the Constitution. Not to mention the 600,000 + Americans he killed with his stupid war.
Billy Malone —
So is your stance that when Presidents usurp power to negate the Constitution, We The People, should NOT stand by the principles stated above…?
Lincoln won re-election didn't he. Bush got re-elected too. Think FDR is right up there with them too but he didn't kill near as many Americans as Lincoln thus Lincoln remains in a class by himself. I real big surprise though was how many died under Clinton. Less than Bush but up there.
I'm sure that they had no idea how many people would die, but the Civil War has always seemed unnecessary to me. The Emancipation Proclamation was an after-thought, and while slavery was an important issue, the real point was whether states had a right to reverse their decision to join the union. I'm not sure I could justify a war just to keep states from deciding they didn't want to play anymore. And the north and south STILL don't get along. . .
Was any war really necessary ?
The only necessary war was the War of the Roses — why did they have to grow so many roses…?!
Surfisher:
Ah, yes, The War of the Roses, 1989, Dany DeVito and Kathleen Turner. Actually, to tell you the truth, I'm not sure that was necessary, either.
A good guess and only slightly off, LOL
Hillbilly, who are you to judge that the war between the states was Lincoln's war, or that he killed the 600,000 people. What planet are you from? You sound like one of these people who can only look backward and judge via the rear view mirror!
I stand corrected, At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000.
Billy:
First of all, I want to apologize if anyone uses that name for you. I meant it as a joke and affectionate tease.
Second: With this kinda stuff, it helps to give a link.
For 110 years, the numbers stood as gospel: 618,222 men died in the Civil War, 360,222 from the North and 258,000 from the South — by far the greatest toll of any war in American history.
But new research shows that the numbers were far too low.
By combing through newly digitized census data from the 19th century, J. David Hacker, a demographic historian from Binghamton University in New York, has recalculated the death toll and increased it by more than 20 percent — to 750,000.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/civil-war-toll-up-by-20-percent-in-new-estimate.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
For perspective, the U.S. population in 1860 was 31,443,321. Today's population is 312,780,968.
So if the Civil War occurred today, and the death rate were the same, we'd lose almost SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION people.
And the people re elected him. The worse you treat them the better they like you.
No problem with the name t ll as I been spending way too much time in Kentucky anyhow. My daughter calls me the same thing.
As for Lincoln ………..what can I say, they were all his own people too. Makes Saddam look like a choir boy.
Do NOT vote for either the Barack or the Mitt creature (voting for the "lesser" of two evils still gets you evil)!
Albert Einstein famously defined “insanity” as “doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.”
Vote your conscience for a change — not your fears!
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MUST read article — too bad most won't, since it's longer than three sentences….
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/10/10/the-mass-insanity-of-american-voters/0/
Hurrah, we do have a choice there is a guy running with a proven track record but I doubt he will get 3% of the votes as the voters want and will get more of the same.
So you recommend not to vote one's conscience…but the perceived lesser fear of one over the other…?
Not at all. I'm going with the best man that I think can do the job based on his track record It is neither of the two frontrunners.
A voice of REASON — but the main stream media won't let you hear it.
Ron Paul exposes the lies and machination of the BO and the Mitt and their boss — Bernanke!
Watch this latest video (11 min) and spread it like wildfire!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_eOm3WTkOo&feature=player_embedded
It's all about how they said it, not what they said.
Vice President Biden kicked ass in this debate! I love how all the republicans are whining about him being "rude" and "disrespectful"…! LOL
Repugs have proven themselves to be some of the rudest, most disrespectful turds I can think of.
Joe Biden was tough, direct and didn't suffer that fool, Ryan. Now the Repugs are Cryin'.
Whaaa Whaaa. Biden kicked ass!!!
One of us must have been watching on a different channel.
Yes… You must have been watching "The Munsters", saw Eddie, and thought it was Paul Ryan.
I rest my case with the polls.
In the veep debate, I thought it was interesting that Ryan gave an answer that was the exact OPPOSITE of the one given by JFK.
John F. Kennedy said that the Vatican would NOT dictate his actions as president.
Ryan said, "I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith.
Dukakis ?
One thing is absolutely beyond debate: MARTHA RADDITZ ROCKS! WE have some absolutely AWESOME women political journalists in this country now: Christine Amanpour, Radditz, Gwen Ifill, Margaret Warner, and oh, my god, who have I forgotten on NPR…legendary. Covered the Conventions…she's great, too. Let's not forget that these women kicked the doors open for other women to have these jobs.
Were not taken seriously for most of their careers.
AMAZING LADIES!
Wish I had time to look up what they are paid compared to the guys
WARNING, WARNING, WARNING:
Voting for either Barack or Mitt would be legitimizing further the corruption that seems to have no end in the aim to destroy Americans' Freedoms and Prosperity!
If Barack or Mitt win — Free America ENDS in 2012!
VOTE for Garry Johnson — or face the dire consequences of failing to do so — TIME TO WAKE UP AMERICA!
(Would love to write-in Dr. Ron Paul — but ALL indications are that such write-in votes for Ron Paul will be screened and then thrown out — that's how much the Establishment fears the Good Doctor!)
Have the American People been reduced again to vote for the “lesser of two evils” — are there no other options?
My conscience cannot allow me to vote for the “lesser of two evils”, because, that means that an Evil will still get elected!
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1) The Barack is the evil we know — a Socialist minded professional politician that will have most of its venomous teeth pulled out when republicans win more seats this election. Thus, it will lack the ability to do much more damage than it’s done already. If the Barack is “elected” it will end its last term in a whimper.
2) The Mitt — the evil we don’t know…yet. But all indicators are that it is supported by the Central Banks. And that it supports Israel unquestionably to the detriment of our own national security (will start more unconstitutional wars to protect Israel, not the USA).
Should the Mitt win, we may be in bigger trouble — since it assured itself of no competition for the next republican nomination (see the false vote it made the GOP do on its behalf — THE TELEPROMPTER "KNEW" IN ADVANCE HOW THE VOTE WILL GO…SHAME, SHAME SHAME on the Mitt creature):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=77W5OKStO5s
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So, unless we vote for Gary Johnson — who wants to restore Liberty and Prosperity, what would you get instead:
Final four years of ‘toothless’ BO — or 8 more years of the Mitt (with the possibility it has groomed its spawn — 5 Mormon Sons — to keep the dynasty going) for many decades to come…?!
One of you commented on making 20% more in your small business than you did under Bush. Have you calculated in the rising costs of everything? I don't know if you people are middle class, but the middle class people I know are drowning.
Stacy:
Exactly. Stock market doubled to record levels, Profits blew away previous record in the boom years, YOUR productivity has dramatically increased, adding to profits.
The corporate world is rolling in dough.
Martha is such a biased host!
Martha talk way too much! It is not her show!!!!
Would ask all that find merit in the below to SPREAD IT! Thanks.
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VOTE for Gary Johnson (do not write-in Ron Paul, please)!
Here is why:
The Establishment fears Ron Paul so much that they will do anything to stop him and his (our) movement for Liberty on the election level (since so far they have not been able to control the internet, and thus shut us down completely)!
The Major Networks will show after the election NOTHING for Ron Paul (not even that he got ANY of the Vote, for that would be admitting that some actually dared to write-in his name).
The Apparatchiks have been instructed to shred all write-in ballots where Ron Paul’s name appears (for proof just watch after the election and see if Ron Paul is even mentioned, let alone how many votes he got)!
Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 States — so a vote for him is a vote COUNTED against the wannabe despots of America! (Plus, if he breaks the 5+% level, the Libertarian Party (Ron Paul’s original party) will be eligible for federal funds to the tune of about 90 million dollars for the next election — and no longer will be a financial shoe-string operation!!!).
VOTE GARY JOHNSON (or write-in Ron Paul if you must) — as long as you vote for what you realize is BEST for our Nation, and NOT get bamboozled into voting again for the “lesser of two evils”: the Kenyan Barack or Mitt the Mormon (this path only leads to more and bigger evil, for the next election cycle…should there be one)!!!
Hey obama, How are you doing to today? im fine I am going to at the white house in the Goochland High School to today. Pepole need come over here to G.H.S this year.
I love you and miss you